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  • G Gary Kirkham

    I think that GUI design is an art, but what goes on behind the GUI is a science. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

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    Maximilien
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    part of GUI design can be considered an art, the color palette, the bitmap creation, but a good GUI can also be designed by specialists that have understanding of psychology and ergonomics.


    Maximilien Lincourt "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with backup tapes." ("Computer Networks" by Andrew S Tannenbaum )

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      hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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      BadJerry
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      Would programming in VB be compared to Damian Hirst?

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        part of GUI design can be considered an art, the color palette, the bitmap creation, but a good GUI can also be designed by specialists that have understanding of psychology and ergonomics.


        Maximilien Lincourt "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with backup tapes." ("Computer Networks" by Andrew S Tannenbaum )

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        Callixte
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        there, you are speaking about a kind of pictural art, such as painting, drawing... Writing "beautiful" is something different: designing clear and efficient algorithms, simple and effective class scheme and so on. IMO, it is not just science as the same results can be obtained with some nice methods or with some ugly ones. Needless to say, it is not because you have brushes and paint that you are a painter. Callixte

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          Possibly, like maybe if you define your classes in the form of a haiku...... Paul ;)

          Garfield.Bark(); **---Configuration: garfield - Win32 Deworm---** C:\garfield.cpp(9) : error C2039: 'Bark' : is not a member of 'CCat'

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          Ian Darling
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          Paul van der Walt wrote: Possibly, like maybe if you define your classes in the form of a haiku...... I actually tried that once through liberal use of #define. May have to have another go sometime, actually :-) -- Ian Darling If I was any more loopy, I'd be infinite.

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            part of GUI design can be considered an art, the color palette, the bitmap creation, but a good GUI can also be designed by specialists that have understanding of psychology and ergonomics.


            Maximilien Lincourt "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with backup tapes." ("Computer Networks" by Andrew S Tannenbaum )

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            Gary Kirkham
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            I agree, but you can't seperate the two...a well designed, functional, GUI that looks like two year old did the art work (or it looks like a VB app) will probably not sell.:) Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

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              hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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              brianwelsch
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              it's art, but the artist only has as much freedom to be creative as the user allows. Even within that constraint, though, the programmer's style can show through in the code. it's science in the way that chemistry is involved with making paint. Science is based more on physical laws. This applies on a hardware level, but not so much for software these days. BW "In a world full of people, only some want to fly,Isn't that crazy?" - Seal

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                hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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                Lost User
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                In software there is the science, then the art. This is how good engineering works :cool: Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                • C Callixte

                  hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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                  Navin
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                  Yes, but not VB programming. "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein

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                    Would programming in VB be compared to Damian Hirst?

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                    MEOW ! Care to borrow my claws ? :laugh: The tigress is here :-D

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                      hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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                      I would consider design (not just GUI design, any program design) as more of an art, whereas the actual code is more of a science. Code written to a design either works or it doesn't, and you can quantify whether one block of code is more efficient, or faster, or smaller, etc. Quantifying program design, however, is more difficult, it is much more subjective. "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein

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                        hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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                        Chris Losinger
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                        it is a craft. it can be difficult, time consuming, and can require a skilled hand to get everything just right. it can be dazzling to look upon a well-done piece of code and recognize the skill required to come up with it. but, the typical program fails one crucial test (whether in source or running as an EXE): it does not convey emotion. sure, you can code up something to render an animation that could pass as "art", but that's just a digital version of hand-drawn animation; the dynamic_cast and do (...) while are not the artistic part - the animation (the story, the characters, the layout) is. so, programming, much like a paint brush, is not an art, but it can be a way to achieve art. CheeseWeasle

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                        • G Gary Kirkham

                          I agree, but you can't seperate the two...a well designed, functional, GUI that looks like two year old did the art work (or it looks like a VB app) will probably not sell.:) Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

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                          Maximilien
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                          agreed, we can't separate the two, but, what is easier, making a GUI look good or making a GUI that work best. The problem when designing GUI is trying to get good specifications and requirements, and approving the design as early as possible. I face this problem about every couple months since I started programming, cosmetic UI changes that took away valuable time that I could have spent on programming the application.


                          Maximilien Lincourt "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with backup tapes." ("Computer Networks" by Andrew S Tannenbaum )

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                            it is a craft. it can be difficult, time consuming, and can require a skilled hand to get everything just right. it can be dazzling to look upon a well-done piece of code and recognize the skill required to come up with it. but, the typical program fails one crucial test (whether in source or running as an EXE): it does not convey emotion. sure, you can code up something to render an animation that could pass as "art", but that's just a digital version of hand-drawn animation; the dynamic_cast and do (...) while are not the artistic part - the animation (the story, the characters, the layout) is. so, programming, much like a paint brush, is not an art, but it can be a way to achieve art. CheeseWeasle

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                            Matt Gullett
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                            Chris Losinger wrote: it does not convey emotion. Have you seend a BSOD lately? It clearly conveys emotion, on both sides of the screen.;)

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                              Would programming in VB be compared to Damian Hirst?

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                              You don't programing in VB you only script, whereas C++ you actually sculpt.

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                                hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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                                Ian Darling
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                                If the ancient greeks were programmers, I think you'd find they wouldn't even make that sort of distinction. The greek word "technos" (our root for technology) basically meant "art" and "skill". Go read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintanence :-) -- Ian Darling If I was any more loopy, I'd be infinite.

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                                  hello there, I'd like your opinion on this: can programming be considered as art? Callixte http://www.callixte.org[^]

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                                  Nish Nishant
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                                  Callixte wrote: can programming be considered as art? In my opinion, No. Some programmers are indeed artists but that's a different point altogether. It's the same with singing. Some of the singers are truly artists, the rest are just lucky people who managed to trick poor stupid investors into bringing out their silly songs in an album :-) Nish


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                                    it is a craft. it can be difficult, time consuming, and can require a skilled hand to get everything just right. it can be dazzling to look upon a well-done piece of code and recognize the skill required to come up with it. but, the typical program fails one crucial test (whether in source or running as an EXE): it does not convey emotion. sure, you can code up something to render an animation that could pass as "art", but that's just a digital version of hand-drawn animation; the dynamic_cast and do (...) while are not the artistic part - the animation (the story, the characters, the layout) is. so, programming, much like a paint brush, is not an art, but it can be a way to achieve art. CheeseWeasle

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                                    Michael A Barnhart
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                                    Good explaintion Chris. Just like a house painter is a craftsman and not an artist although some house painters can be artistic it is not a requirement. Same could be said for potters. Some just make bowls and some make works of art. "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."

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                                      it is a craft. it can be difficult, time consuming, and can require a skilled hand to get everything just right. it can be dazzling to look upon a well-done piece of code and recognize the skill required to come up with it. but, the typical program fails one crucial test (whether in source or running as an EXE): it does not convey emotion. sure, you can code up something to render an animation that could pass as "art", but that's just a digital version of hand-drawn animation; the dynamic_cast and do (...) while are not the artistic part - the animation (the story, the characters, the layout) is. so, programming, much like a paint brush, is not an art, but it can be a way to achieve art. CheeseWeasle

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                                      Nnamdi Onyeyiri
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                                      but you could argue that we are digital artists, and the harddrive is our canvas. Another Post by NnamdiOnyeyiri l Website

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                                        Callixte wrote: can programming be considered as art? In my opinion, No. Some programmers are indeed artists but that's a different point altogether. It's the same with singing. Some of the singers are truly artists, the rest are just lucky people who managed to trick poor stupid investors into bringing out their silly songs in an album :-) Nish


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                                        Nnamdi Onyeyiri
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                                        Nishant S wrote: silly songs in an album prime example. the cheeky girls. Another Post by NnamdiOnyeyiri l Website

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                                          it is a craft. it can be difficult, time consuming, and can require a skilled hand to get everything just right. it can be dazzling to look upon a well-done piece of code and recognize the skill required to come up with it. but, the typical program fails one crucial test (whether in source or running as an EXE): it does not convey emotion. sure, you can code up something to render an animation that could pass as "art", but that's just a digital version of hand-drawn animation; the dynamic_cast and do (...) while are not the artistic part - the animation (the story, the characters, the layout) is. so, programming, much like a paint brush, is not an art, but it can be a way to achieve art. CheeseWeasle

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                                          > the typical program fails one crucial test (whether in source or running as > an EXE): it does not convey emotion. Believe me, when my programs fail a crucial test, they do convey emotions. :-D

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