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"Robotics to play major role in future warfighting A study by USJFCOM's Project Alpha is currently testing the viability of what used to be a fanciful notion but is now bordering on reality -- robotic warfare. By as early as 2005, autonomous robots on the battlefield might not be just a notion, but a norm... Well, get ready. The future may be closer than you think. Project Alpha, a U.S. Joint Forces Command rapid idea analysis group, is in the midst of a study focusing on the concept of developing and employing robots that would be capable of replacing humans to perform many, if not most combat functions on the battlefield...The study, appropriately titled, “Unmanned Effects: Taking the Human out of the Loop,” suggests that by as early as 2025, the presence of autonomous robots, networked and integrated, on the battlefield might not be the exception, but, in fact, the norm...“What we’ve found in the area of robotics, is that the Navy has programs, the Air Force has programs, the Army has programs,” Johnson said. “But there’s no one at the DoD level who has a clear vision of where we’re going to go with these things. How do we want them to interoperate? How do we want them to communicate with each other? How do we want them to interact with humans?” “Across the Department of Defense, people don’t really have the big picture. They don’t understand how close we really are to being able to implement these technologies in some sort of cohesive way into a cohesive force to achieve the desired effects.”... “We believe that other countries or groups will pursue robotics,” Richards said. “We can be at the vanguard, or we can lag behind and some day have to oppose a lethal robotic force. Better to be in the lead.”" http://www.jfcom.mil/newslink/storyarchive/2003/pa072903.htm[^] "people don’t really have the big picture" *joe raises hand* oohh! ooohh! I do! I do!:-D Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "The worst fad has been these stupid little robots, Graduate students are wasting 3 years of their lives soldering and repairing robots, instead of making them smart. It's really shocking." -Marvin Minsky.JoeSox wrote: We can be at the vanguard, or we can lag behind and some day have to oppose a lethal robotic force. Better to be in the lead That, they said about the bow.
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JoeSox wrote: We can be at the vanguard, or we can lag behind and some day have to oppose a lethal robotic force. Better to be in the lead That, they said about the bow.
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: That, they said about the bow. http://www.engin.swarthmore.edu/~jsarmie1/History.html[^] "Evidence shows that the bow and arrow were discovered in every part of the world except Australia." :-O:laugh: "This design is now known as the English longbow and helped England become a world power." Carl 2 is in development;) Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "The worst fad has been these stupid little robots, Graduate students are wasting 3 years of their lives soldering and repairing robots, instead of making them smart. It's really shocking." -Marvin Minsky. -
"Robotics to play major role in future warfighting A study by USJFCOM's Project Alpha is currently testing the viability of what used to be a fanciful notion but is now bordering on reality -- robotic warfare. By as early as 2005, autonomous robots on the battlefield might not be just a notion, but a norm... Well, get ready. The future may be closer than you think. Project Alpha, a U.S. Joint Forces Command rapid idea analysis group, is in the midst of a study focusing on the concept of developing and employing robots that would be capable of replacing humans to perform many, if not most combat functions on the battlefield...The study, appropriately titled, “Unmanned Effects: Taking the Human out of the Loop,” suggests that by as early as 2025, the presence of autonomous robots, networked and integrated, on the battlefield might not be the exception, but, in fact, the norm...“What we’ve found in the area of robotics, is that the Navy has programs, the Air Force has programs, the Army has programs,” Johnson said. “But there’s no one at the DoD level who has a clear vision of where we’re going to go with these things. How do we want them to interoperate? How do we want them to communicate with each other? How do we want them to interact with humans?” “Across the Department of Defense, people don’t really have the big picture. They don’t understand how close we really are to being able to implement these technologies in some sort of cohesive way into a cohesive force to achieve the desired effects.”... “We believe that other countries or groups will pursue robotics,” Richards said. “We can be at the vanguard, or we can lag behind and some day have to oppose a lethal robotic force. Better to be in the lead.”" http://www.jfcom.mil/newslink/storyarchive/2003/pa072903.htm[^] "people don’t really have the big picture" *joe raises hand* oohh! ooohh! I do! I do!:-D Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "The worst fad has been these stupid little robots, Graduate students are wasting 3 years of their lives soldering and repairing robots, instead of making them smart. It's really shocking." -Marvin Minsky.Heh, I feel like bitching... JoeSox wrote: *joe raises hand* oohh! ooohh! I do! I do! Really, what kind of "big picture" is there to be had in respect to using robots instead of humans in warfare? The tech changes, the goals, reasons and consequences stay the same. One other thing... Autonomous? Could someone please clarify what they mean by that. Do we honestly think we will have sufficiently advanced AI by 2005 to give the damned thing a weapon! 2005 sounds far too close, less than 2 years away. And after watching a clip of two Japanese robots waddling about a flat indoor soccer pitch... Love to see them out in the Iraqi veld. (The ideas are nice and I hope you can disprove the above but it all sounds a bit daft at present, or even in 2005.)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
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"Robotics to play major role in future warfighting A study by USJFCOM's Project Alpha is currently testing the viability of what used to be a fanciful notion but is now bordering on reality -- robotic warfare. By as early as 2005, autonomous robots on the battlefield might not be just a notion, but a norm... Well, get ready. The future may be closer than you think. Project Alpha, a U.S. Joint Forces Command rapid idea analysis group, is in the midst of a study focusing on the concept of developing and employing robots that would be capable of replacing humans to perform many, if not most combat functions on the battlefield...The study, appropriately titled, “Unmanned Effects: Taking the Human out of the Loop,” suggests that by as early as 2025, the presence of autonomous robots, networked and integrated, on the battlefield might not be the exception, but, in fact, the norm...“What we’ve found in the area of robotics, is that the Navy has programs, the Air Force has programs, the Army has programs,” Johnson said. “But there’s no one at the DoD level who has a clear vision of where we’re going to go with these things. How do we want them to interoperate? How do we want them to communicate with each other? How do we want them to interact with humans?” “Across the Department of Defense, people don’t really have the big picture. They don’t understand how close we really are to being able to implement these technologies in some sort of cohesive way into a cohesive force to achieve the desired effects.”... “We believe that other countries or groups will pursue robotics,” Richards said. “We can be at the vanguard, or we can lag behind and some day have to oppose a lethal robotic force. Better to be in the lead.”" http://www.jfcom.mil/newslink/storyarchive/2003/pa072903.htm[^] "people don’t really have the big picture" *joe raises hand* oohh! ooohh! I do! I do!:-D Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "The worst fad has been these stupid little robots, Graduate students are wasting 3 years of their lives soldering and repairing robots, instead of making them smart. It's really shocking." -Marvin Minsky. -
Heh, I feel like bitching... JoeSox wrote: *joe raises hand* oohh! ooohh! I do! I do! Really, what kind of "big picture" is there to be had in respect to using robots instead of humans in warfare? The tech changes, the goals, reasons and consequences stay the same. One other thing... Autonomous? Could someone please clarify what they mean by that. Do we honestly think we will have sufficiently advanced AI by 2005 to give the damned thing a weapon! 2005 sounds far too close, less than 2 years away. And after watching a clip of two Japanese robots waddling about a flat indoor soccer pitch... Love to see them out in the Iraqi veld. (The ideas are nice and I hope you can disprove the above but it all sounds a bit daft at present, or even in 2005.)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: 2005 sounds far too close That may be why the article says "2025.":-D
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Paul Watson wrote: 2005 sounds far too close That may be why the article says "2025.":-D
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- Proposed Sign at CA/AZ BorderRoger Wright wrote: That may be why the article says "2025." Well, it says both actually. I saw 2005 and then 2025 later on in the article. 2005 may be a typo though. Even 2025 is not that far off to be thinking of AI advanced enough to give the ability and right to kill others.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
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Roger Wright wrote: That may be why the article says "2025." Well, it says both actually. I saw 2005 and then 2025 later on in the article. 2005 may be a typo though. Even 2025 is not that far off to be thinking of AI advanced enough to give the ability and right to kill others.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Yes, 2025 is rather optimistic, if 'optimistic' is a word that can be applied to this concept.
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Roger Wright wrote: That may be why the article says "2025." Well, it says both actually. I saw 2005 and then 2025 later on in the article. 2005 may be a typo though. Even 2025 is not that far off to be thinking of AI advanced enough to give the ability and right to kill others.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Even 2025 is not that far off to be thinking of AI advanced enough to give the ability and right to kill others. It will *never* happen.
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I like this approach because it uses technology to save lives.... Which lives would be saved of course, depends on who develops superior robots and the US is already using this stuff !! //www.army-technology.com/projects/predator[^]
And the clock may be ticking. Perhaps an even larger imperative, according to Richards, is that the United States is not the only nation that recognizes the future of integrated battlefield robotics. I thnik that's hype, to be blunt. Sure other countries may see the value, but in reality few other countries can afford it, or if they can afford it, they don't value lives like the USA does. [edit] this was meant to be in the main thread [/edit] Regardz Colin J Davies
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Paul Watson wrote: Even 2025 is not that far off to be thinking of AI advanced enough to give the ability and right to kill others. It will *never* happen.
Stan Shannon wrote: It will *never* happen Yeah, real famous last words. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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Heh, I feel like bitching... JoeSox wrote: *joe raises hand* oohh! ooohh! I do! I do! Really, what kind of "big picture" is there to be had in respect to using robots instead of humans in warfare? The tech changes, the goals, reasons and consequences stay the same. One other thing... Autonomous? Could someone please clarify what they mean by that. Do we honestly think we will have sufficiently advanced AI by 2005 to give the damned thing a weapon! 2005 sounds far too close, less than 2 years away. And after watching a clip of two Japanese robots waddling about a flat indoor soccer pitch... Love to see them out in the Iraqi veld. (The ideas are nice and I hope you can disprove the above but it all sounds a bit daft at present, or even in 2005.)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Autonomous? Could someone please clarify what they mean by that. In this case it's making a certain level of independent decisions. "Full Autonomy" would mean it has no human intervention. So the question is what level of autonomy is being talked about. In many cases Autonomy in robotics is used to describe reactionary type behaviour. Eg point a gun at a robot, and it takes evasive measures. An Autonomous robotic vehicle would be one also that found the best route to drive to a specified location. I remember once learning a list of names and terms for 8 levels of autonomy. At the low end of the scale I believe Patriot batteries are already autonomous. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Heh, I feel like bitching... JoeSox wrote: *joe raises hand* oohh! ooohh! I do! I do! Really, what kind of "big picture" is there to be had in respect to using robots instead of humans in warfare? The tech changes, the goals, reasons and consequences stay the same. One other thing... Autonomous? Could someone please clarify what they mean by that. Do we honestly think we will have sufficiently advanced AI by 2005 to give the damned thing a weapon! 2005 sounds far too close, less than 2 years away. And after watching a clip of two Japanese robots waddling about a flat indoor soccer pitch... Love to see them out in the Iraqi veld. (The ideas are nice and I hope you can disprove the above but it all sounds a bit daft at present, or even in 2005.)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: (The ideas are nice and I hope you can disprove the above but it all sounds a bit daft at present, or even in 2005.) You are very correct. I am only 28 now so but the time I am 50 I will have a good chance of seeing what we are reading TODAY:-D scary thought, heh. I sure would like to have a shed full of robots, you know just in case. And oh yeah, do you know where I can find a house with a nuclear bomb basement[^]:confused::-D but seriously, I am just having fun at the future and what I am working on. Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "The worst fad has been these stupid little robots, Graduate students are wasting 3 years of their lives soldering and repairing robots, instead of making them smart. It's really shocking." -Marvin Minsky. -
Heh, I feel like bitching... JoeSox wrote: *joe raises hand* oohh! ooohh! I do! I do! Really, what kind of "big picture" is there to be had in respect to using robots instead of humans in warfare? The tech changes, the goals, reasons and consequences stay the same. One other thing... Autonomous? Could someone please clarify what they mean by that. Do we honestly think we will have sufficiently advanced AI by 2005 to give the damned thing a weapon! 2005 sounds far too close, less than 2 years away. And after watching a clip of two Japanese robots waddling about a flat indoor soccer pitch... Love to see them out in the Iraqi veld. (The ideas are nice and I hope you can disprove the above but it all sounds a bit daft at present, or even in 2005.)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Do we honestly think we will have sufficiently advanced AI by 2005 to give the damned thing a weapon! It's easier to blame machines than men/women, so why not? :) -- Serial killers don't kill their boyfriends.
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Heh, I feel like bitching... JoeSox wrote: *joe raises hand* oohh! ooohh! I do! I do! Really, what kind of "big picture" is there to be had in respect to using robots instead of humans in warfare? The tech changes, the goals, reasons and consequences stay the same. One other thing... Autonomous? Could someone please clarify what they mean by that. Do we honestly think we will have sufficiently advanced AI by 2005 to give the damned thing a weapon! 2005 sounds far too close, less than 2 years away. And after watching a clip of two Japanese robots waddling about a flat indoor soccer pitch... Love to see them out in the Iraqi veld. (The ideas are nice and I hope you can disprove the above but it all sounds a bit daft at present, or even in 2005.)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Autonomous? Could someone please clarify what they mean by that. Do we honestly think we will have sufficiently advanced AI by 2005 to give the damned thing a weapon! Remember the scene from Robocop with the first robot prototype going bonkers in the boardroom with a .50cal chaingun? Picture those on the street running Windows XP LE(Law Enforcement) "FREEZE! You are in violation of licence agreement!!" "You have 10 seconds to enter your 50-digit license number or I will open fire" "10..9..Illegal operation..1...0 " 600 round burst "Would you like to submit an error report?"
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Paul Watson wrote: Autonomous? Could someone please clarify what they mean by that. Do we honestly think we will have sufficiently advanced AI by 2005 to give the damned thing a weapon! Remember the scene from Robocop with the first robot prototype going bonkers in the boardroom with a .50cal chaingun? Picture those on the street running Windows XP LE(Law Enforcement) "FREEZE! You are in violation of licence agreement!!" "You have 10 seconds to enter your 50-digit license number or I will open fire" "10..9..Illegal operation..1...0 " 600 round burst "Would you like to submit an error report?"
R Jones wrote: "You have 10 seconds to enter your 50-digit license number or I will open fire" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Oh man that had me falling out my chair laughing.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?