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Nick Seng wrote: It's usually arranged Last Name : First Name : Middle Name* Isn't it Last Name(Surname) : Middle Name : First Name ? So for my name, it would be Chen Wei Ye (though the middle and first name normally are appended together) This first name last name middle name thing are driving me crazy!!:mad: Weiye, Chen When pursuing your dreams, don't forget to enjoy your life...
Weiye Chen wrote: are driving me crazy!! Tell me about it!. A long time ago, I decided to just use the name 'Nick' as my first name. Saves a lot of trouble, I tell you.
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Paul Watson wrote: Sounds awfully confusing though. It can get even more confusing. My mothers maiden name didn't have a surname, instead she had two initials J and S, where J was the first letter of her mother's first name and S was the first letter of her dad's first name. Then in some families girls get their mother's first name as initial (only initial, no expansion) and boys get their dad's. And most women, when they marry, change their names so that if Anju Mohan marries Arun Kumar, her married name becomes Anju Arun. Then there is the practice of adding your caste name to the end of your name. There are hindu-subcastes like Nair, Menon, Iyer, Iyengar, Chettiyar etc. and people have names like Gayathri Nair, Mohan Menon etc... It's considered a little odd these days to try and project your caste. Typically only the middle-to-upper caste people do this, as they think it's nice to make public their upper-caste-ness :-) Nish
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Crikey, I would hate to be born a bastard in India. Probably end up with an acronym as my name. How on Earth do you keep track of it all? No, actually, don't answer that. I am glad it works for you guys, but insanity is thy name!
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
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Heh, reminds me of a beer that used to be produced here called Ohlsons lager. Good stuff that. Is that "the first name of the father as last name of the children adding some endings like son" tradition the whole "son of" thing? I wonder if Watson happened to be a son of Wat. :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: I wonder if Watson happened to be a son of Wat. Hmm, maybe your father (or grandfather...) was deaf and the conversation at the regestry office was something like this:
Pauls ancestor: Good morning. I have a newborn son.
Regestry office guy: Oh, congratulations sir. So what's your name please?
p.a.: What?
r.o.g.: Sorry, your name please, sir...
p.g.: What?!
r.o.g.: Ok, Mr. wat. So what should be the name of your son, sir?
p.g.: Name, err Paul...
r.o.g.: Ok, Sir. Then the whole name is Paul Watson. Thank you very much. NEXT PLEASE.
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:doh:.... :D ;) just kidding a little bit...
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Paul Watson wrote: I wonder if Watson happened to be a son of Wat. Hmm, maybe your father (or grandfather...) was deaf and the conversation at the regestry office was something like this:
Pauls ancestor: Good morning. I have a newborn son.
Regestry office guy: Oh, congratulations sir. So what's your name please?
p.a.: What?
r.o.g.: Sorry, your name please, sir...
p.g.: What?!
r.o.g.: Ok, Mr. wat. So what should be the name of your son, sir?
p.g.: Name, err Paul...
r.o.g.: Ok, Sir. Then the whole name is Paul Watson. Thank you very much. NEXT PLEASE.
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:doh:.... :D ;) just kidding a little bit...
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:beer: + :java: = NULL :=> X|:laugh: No worries, I had a good laff over that, thanks. Better than people assuming I am named afer Sherlock Holmes' side-kick or the shoe company. If I hear one more "Hey, whats on Watson?" joke or "Elementary my dear... *hyuk* *hyuk* *hyuk* " quip I will go postal.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
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:laugh: No worries, I had a good laff over that, thanks. Better than people assuming I am named afer Sherlock Holmes' side-kick or the shoe company. If I hear one more "Hey, whats on Watson?" joke or "Elementary my dear... *hyuk* *hyuk* *hyuk* " quip I will go postal.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: "Hey, whats on Watson?" :| I'm a little afraid to comment that, but I like playing with words, so this one not so bad... BTW: My name is fehr, which is prenounced like fair, which is not fair I think... but that's only fair I think.. :-D
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Crikey, I would hate to be born a bastard in India. Probably end up with an acronym as my name. How on Earth do you keep track of it all? No, actually, don't answer that. I am glad it works for you guys, but insanity is thy name!
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: in India It's not like this all over India. I was only talking about how it is in my state "Kerala" :-) Nish
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As Far As I Know. I should really stop using abbreviations :-O
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First name = Given name Last name = Family name Am i right? :confused: Weiye, Chen When pursuing your dreams, don't forget to enjoy your life...
Weiye Chen wrote: Am i right? Yes, in most (maybe all) American and European countries. In other places the first name is often the family name. In some Latin American countries I've learned recently that the family name can be quite complex, listing ancestry, both paternal and maternal, and including an imposing list of last names. Interesting, and it makes for a curious problem for designers of data entry programs.
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Weiye Chen wrote: First name = Given name Last name = Family name Also: First Name(s) == Christian name(s) == Given name(s) Last name == Surname == Family name Not sure if you can have multiple last names, but you can have multiple first names. e.g. Paul and Michael are my Given names and then Watson is my Family name. You do get double-barrell last names. e.g. Smith-Brown. But that is just odd to voluntarily do IMO.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Not sure if you can have multiple last names Yes, you can find that in Latin America. When I was doing donor data entry last year for United Way I ran into it. The casinos hire a lot of Hispanic workers, and I was challenged - to say the least - by having to enter last names like Jesus Ledesma-Montoya-Ortega y Gutierrez-Garcia into a fixed-length Last Name field in the database. I did some research (well, I asked a couple of Mexican friends) and learned that the list indicates parentage, paternal line first. It presents an interesting challenge for data entry software designers.:-D Having made this discovery, it occurs to me that in other places there might be variations that could include tribal or clan affiliations, as well. What then is the ideal length of a Last Name field in a database intended for an unlimited (non-American or European) audience?
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:laugh: No worries, I had a good laff over that, thanks. Better than people assuming I am named afer Sherlock Holmes' side-kick or the shoe company. If I hear one more "Hey, whats on Watson?" joke or "Elementary my dear... *hyuk* *hyuk* *hyuk* " quip I will go postal.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: I will go postal Isn't that even more evil than announcing the intended infliction of GBH at some other person? "Postal" - sounds really threatening!
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Weiye Chen wrote: Am i right? Yes, in most (maybe all) American and European countries. In other places the first name is often the family name. In some Latin American countries I've learned recently that the family name can be quite complex, listing ancestry, both paternal and maternal, and including an imposing list of last names. Interesting, and it makes for a curious problem for designers of data entry programs.
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- Proposed Sign at CA/AZ BorderI suppose they inherited that from the Spanish who are using as family name the one of the father and the one of the mother. Roger Wright wrote: Proposed Sign at CA/AZ Border Was the sign adopted? :)
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I suppose they inherited that from the Spanish who are using as family name the one of the father and the one of the mother. Roger Wright wrote: Proposed Sign at CA/AZ Border Was the sign adopted? :)
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I didn't know the Spanish use that method... ya learn something every day!:-D KaЯl wrote: Was the sign adopted? Not yet, but we're hopeful. Personally, I favor a high wall and guard towers to keep the ninnies out.
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I didn't know the Spanish use that method... ya learn something every day!:-D KaЯl wrote: Was the sign adopted? Not yet, but we're hopeful. Personally, I favor a high wall and guard towers to keep the ninnies out.
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- Proposed Sign at CA/AZ Border:laugh: What are the reasons for such a strong antagonism? :confused:
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Paul It's not that way here in South India. Let's say there is a guy John Mathew. Now if his son is named Peter, his name will be Peter John and not Peter Mathew :-) And Peter's son Alex will be Alex Peter. And in fact most people don't even expand their surname. My official name on all legal records in India is Nishant S But when I went to the US I had to use Nishant Sivakumar because they didn't accept a one-character surname If I have a son his name will be [name] Nishant or [name] N where [name] is what we name him. Nish
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small>Nishant S wrote: It's not that way here in South India. Not in my home state. (Andhra) We use FistName, LastName FirstLetter. The lastname is family name for everybody. I think the one you mentioned applies to Kerala and Tamil Nadu states only. I am not sure about Karnataka state. They have weird policy. Example the they use something like this Firstname FatherName FamilyName * Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu are South Indian states.
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:laugh: What are the reasons for such a strong antagonism? :confused:
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The PRC (aka California) was a great place to grow up 40 years ago. But in that time a lot of morons have taken over, passing laws that have turned it into a socialist country where everything you could ever dream of doing is either illegal or required by law and taxed. It's a hellhole, and now that it's uninhabitable by anything but sheep, they are moving here. Unfortunately, they bring with them their welfare state mentality and are trying to impose the same ridiculous laws that made CA impossible to live in. They made their beds; let them sleep in them, and leave mine alone!:mad:
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The PRC (aka California) was a great place to grow up 40 years ago. But in that time a lot of morons have taken over, passing laws that have turned it into a socialist country where everything you could ever dream of doing is either illegal or required by law and taxed. It's a hellhole, and now that it's uninhabitable by anything but sheep, they are moving here. Unfortunately, they bring with them their welfare state mentality and are trying to impose the same ridiculous laws that made CA impossible to live in. They made their beds; let them sleep in them, and leave mine alone!:mad:
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- Proposed Sign at CA/AZ BorderAnd that why you want to build a new Iron Curtain :laugh: Thanks for the info :) Just FYI, Socialism is not Marxism, and Socialism and Individual Liberty aren't incompatible: "The first of the human rights is individual freedom, freedom to possess, freedom to think, freedom to work" - Jean Jaurés
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Paul Watson wrote: Not sure if you can have multiple last names Yes, you can find that in Latin America. When I was doing donor data entry last year for United Way I ran into it. The casinos hire a lot of Hispanic workers, and I was challenged - to say the least - by having to enter last names like Jesus Ledesma-Montoya-Ortega y Gutierrez-Garcia into a fixed-length Last Name field in the database. I did some research (well, I asked a couple of Mexican friends) and learned that the list indicates parentage, paternal line first. It presents an interesting challenge for data entry software designers.:-D Having made this discovery, it occurs to me that in other places there might be variations that could include tribal or clan affiliations, as well. What then is the ideal length of a Last Name field in a database intended for an unlimited (non-American or European) audience?
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- Proposed Sign at CA/AZ BorderNVARCHAR(1000) ought to do it! I've been programming databases for years and I started (proabably like every database programmer) super-anal about breaking down data into as many finite fields as possible. ("Title", "first name", "middle name", "Lastname", "postfix (III, Snr. etc)"). With relatively simple code for searching by last name, etc. Then you start to "walk upon the ground of reality" for a while and eventually your database fields are turning into "name " followed by ever more fancy code for indexing it all out for searching regardless of where it's been entered. I guess like any other field of endeavour you follow the rules when your "green" and as time goes by you know exactly when to break them.
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Todd C. Wilson wrote: Would help to know why you're asking Well, i was registering myself for a seminar on a website and found out that their first name field only accepts 1 word, which makes me wonder whether i am right about this first and last name thing... :~ Weiye, Chen When pursuing your dreams, don't forget to enjoy your life...
That always screws me up to because my legal first name is "Jean-Pierre" and it's a french name which means that the whole thing is considered one single first name, not a first name and middle name. On my credit card they omit the hyphen and put a space which causes even more problems on some sites when making a purchase. (I don't speak a word of french and go by "John" everywhere but got stuck with this name apparently by some random stranger in a hospital when my mother was in labour. Oh well, I guess it could have been worse )
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The PRC (aka California) was a great place to grow up 40 years ago. But in that time a lot of morons have taken over, passing laws that have turned it into a socialist country where everything you could ever dream of doing is either illegal or required by law and taxed. It's a hellhole, and now that it's uninhabitable by anything but sheep, they are moving here. Unfortunately, they bring with them their welfare state mentality and are trying to impose the same ridiculous laws that made CA impossible to live in. They made their beds; let them sleep in them, and leave mine alone!:mad:
"Welcome to Arizona!
Drive Nice - We're Armed..."
- Proposed Sign at CA/AZ Border