Names
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Jonny Newman wrote: you should mention Forename Quite right Jonathan. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Quite right Jonathan. Not even my mother calls me that. ;P
"werewnt we going to run off and start a convent on as islandf]"
-David Wulff, again on MSN while plastered...
Jonathan 'nonny' Newman Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^] Bob Chum Dev site [^] -
In Europe, mostly YES. There are some northern countries which take the first name of the father as last name of the children adding some endings like son ( Sigurd Olafson, his son's name is then Ole Sigurdson ... AFAIK, correct somebody me if not right...) But in central and western Europe, First Name is (parents) choice, Last Name is by birth...;)
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:beer: + :java: = NULL :=> X|Heh, reminds me of a beer that used to be produced here called Ohlsons lager. Good stuff that. Is that "the first name of the father as last name of the children adding some endings like son" tradition the whole "son of" thing? I wonder if Watson happened to be a son of Wat. :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
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Interesting stuff Nish, thanks. Sounds awfully confusing though. I know it is different around the world, but what I said applies for most western countries (UK, Europe, USA, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc.) Also I assumed he was referring to a western country as he used western terms (I am sure you must have your own Indian terms rather than relying on British colonial rules).
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Also I assumed he was referring to a western country as he used western terms Nope, i am not refering to western country, but just that my country seems to adopt western styles... :) Weiye, Chen When pursuing your dreams, don't forget to enjoy your life...
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Paul Watson wrote: Quite right Jonathan. Not even my mother calls me that. ;P
"werewnt we going to run off and start a convent on as islandf]"
-David Wulff, again on MSN while plastered...
Jonathan 'nonny' Newman Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^] Bob Chum Dev site [^]hehe, I was just running with the whole proper what what thing. Plus it is in your sig :) I take it your mum does not call you nonny though? One more reason I like my name; Paul. Hard to make that shorter. Of course I get the Paulies and if you are particularly clever the Paulas, but those are longer.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
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Yeah SSI
"werewnt we going to run off and start a convent on as islandf]"
-David Wulff, again on MSN while plastered...
Jonathan 'nonny' Newman Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^] Bob Chum Dev site [^] -
Interesting stuff Nish, thanks. Sounds awfully confusing though. I know it is different around the world, but what I said applies for most western countries (UK, Europe, USA, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc.) Also I assumed he was referring to a western country as he used western terms (I am sure you must have your own Indian terms rather than relying on British colonial rules).
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Sounds awfully confusing though. It can get even more confusing. My mothers maiden name didn't have a surname, instead she had two initials J and S, where J was the first letter of her mother's first name and S was the first letter of her dad's first name. Then in some families girls get their mother's first name as initial (only initial, no expansion) and boys get their dad's. And most women, when they marry, change their names so that if Anju Mohan marries Arun Kumar, her married name becomes Anju Arun. Then there is the practice of adding your caste name to the end of your name. There are hindu-subcastes like Nair, Menon, Iyer, Iyengar, Chettiyar etc. and people have names like Gayathri Nair, Mohan Menon etc... It's considered a little odd these days to try and project your caste. Typically only the middle-to-upper caste people do this, as they think it's nice to make public their upper-caste-ness :-) Nish
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So you have decided already? [name] seems a little weird though :)
Stefan Pedersen wrote: So you have decided already? [name] seems a little weird though :-D Nish
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hehe, I was just running with the whole proper what what thing. Plus it is in your sig :) I take it your mum does not call you nonny though? One more reason I like my name; Paul. Hard to make that shorter. Of course I get the Paulies and if you are particularly clever the Paulas, but those are longer.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Plus it is in your sig I'll let you off ;-P Paul Watson wrote: I take it your mum does not call you nonny though? No, she calls me Jonny. My dad called me Nonny for a while, but has gone back to "Jon Boy". To most of the world I am Nonny. Even though it wasn't my choice of nickname. One of my best friends father doesn't know my real name I don't think. He's allways known me as 'Nonny' :~
"werewnt we going to run off and start a convent on as islandf]"
-David Wulff, again on MSN while plastered...
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Nick Seng wrote: It's usually arranged Last Name : First Name : Middle Name* Isn't it Last Name(Surname) : Middle Name : First Name ? So for my name, it would be Chen Wei Ye (though the middle and first name normally are appended together) This first name last name middle name thing are driving me crazy!!:mad: Weiye, Chen When pursuing your dreams, don't forget to enjoy your life...
Weiye Chen wrote: are driving me crazy!! Tell me about it!. A long time ago, I decided to just use the name 'Nick' as my first name. Saves a lot of trouble, I tell you.
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Paul Watson wrote: Sounds awfully confusing though. It can get even more confusing. My mothers maiden name didn't have a surname, instead she had two initials J and S, where J was the first letter of her mother's first name and S was the first letter of her dad's first name. Then in some families girls get their mother's first name as initial (only initial, no expansion) and boys get their dad's. And most women, when they marry, change their names so that if Anju Mohan marries Arun Kumar, her married name becomes Anju Arun. Then there is the practice of adding your caste name to the end of your name. There are hindu-subcastes like Nair, Menon, Iyer, Iyengar, Chettiyar etc. and people have names like Gayathri Nair, Mohan Menon etc... It's considered a little odd these days to try and project your caste. Typically only the middle-to-upper caste people do this, as they think it's nice to make public their upper-caste-ness :-) Nish
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Crikey, I would hate to be born a bastard in India. Probably end up with an acronym as my name. How on Earth do you keep track of it all? No, actually, don't answer that. I am glad it works for you guys, but insanity is thy name!
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
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Heh, reminds me of a beer that used to be produced here called Ohlsons lager. Good stuff that. Is that "the first name of the father as last name of the children adding some endings like son" tradition the whole "son of" thing? I wonder if Watson happened to be a son of Wat. :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: I wonder if Watson happened to be a son of Wat. Hmm, maybe your father (or grandfather...) was deaf and the conversation at the regestry office was something like this:
Pauls ancestor: Good morning. I have a newborn son.
Regestry office guy: Oh, congratulations sir. So what's your name please?
p.a.: What?
r.o.g.: Sorry, your name please, sir...
p.g.: What?!
r.o.g.: Ok, Mr. wat. So what should be the name of your son, sir?
p.g.: Name, err Paul...
r.o.g.: Ok, Sir. Then the whole name is Paul Watson. Thank you very much. NEXT PLEASE.
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:doh:.... :D ;) just kidding a little bit...
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Homer Simpson
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Paul Watson wrote: I wonder if Watson happened to be a son of Wat. Hmm, maybe your father (or grandfather...) was deaf and the conversation at the regestry office was something like this:
Pauls ancestor: Good morning. I have a newborn son.
Regestry office guy: Oh, congratulations sir. So what's your name please?
p.a.: What?
r.o.g.: Sorry, your name please, sir...
p.g.: What?!
r.o.g.: Ok, Mr. wat. So what should be the name of your son, sir?
p.g.: Name, err Paul...
r.o.g.: Ok, Sir. Then the whole name is Paul Watson. Thank you very much. NEXT PLEASE.
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:doh:.... :D ;) just kidding a little bit...
Olli "Ooooooh, they have the internet on computers now!"
Homer Simpson
:beer: + :java: = NULL :=> X|:laugh: No worries, I had a good laff over that, thanks. Better than people assuming I am named afer Sherlock Holmes' side-kick or the shoe company. If I hear one more "Hey, whats on Watson?" joke or "Elementary my dear... *hyuk* *hyuk* *hyuk* " quip I will go postal.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
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:laugh: No worries, I had a good laff over that, thanks. Better than people assuming I am named afer Sherlock Holmes' side-kick or the shoe company. If I hear one more "Hey, whats on Watson?" joke or "Elementary my dear... *hyuk* *hyuk* *hyuk* " quip I will go postal.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: "Hey, whats on Watson?" :| I'm a little afraid to comment that, but I like playing with words, so this one not so bad... BTW: My name is fehr, which is prenounced like fair, which is not fair I think... but that's only fair I think.. :-D
Olli "Ooooooh, they have the internet on computers now!"
Homer Simpson
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Crikey, I would hate to be born a bastard in India. Probably end up with an acronym as my name. How on Earth do you keep track of it all? No, actually, don't answer that. I am glad it works for you guys, but insanity is thy name!
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: in India It's not like this all over India. I was only talking about how it is in my state "Kerala" :-) Nish
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As Far As I Know. I should really stop using abbreviations :-O
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First name = Given name Last name = Family name Am i right? :confused: Weiye, Chen When pursuing your dreams, don't forget to enjoy your life...
Weiye Chen wrote: Am i right? Yes, in most (maybe all) American and European countries. In other places the first name is often the family name. In some Latin American countries I've learned recently that the family name can be quite complex, listing ancestry, both paternal and maternal, and including an imposing list of last names. Interesting, and it makes for a curious problem for designers of data entry programs.
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Weiye Chen wrote: First name = Given name Last name = Family name Also: First Name(s) == Christian name(s) == Given name(s) Last name == Surname == Family name Not sure if you can have multiple last names, but you can have multiple first names. e.g. Paul and Michael are my Given names and then Watson is my Family name. You do get double-barrell last names. e.g. Smith-Brown. But that is just odd to voluntarily do IMO.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Not sure if you can have multiple last names Yes, you can find that in Latin America. When I was doing donor data entry last year for United Way I ran into it. The casinos hire a lot of Hispanic workers, and I was challenged - to say the least - by having to enter last names like Jesus Ledesma-Montoya-Ortega y Gutierrez-Garcia into a fixed-length Last Name field in the database. I did some research (well, I asked a couple of Mexican friends) and learned that the list indicates parentage, paternal line first. It presents an interesting challenge for data entry software designers.:-D Having made this discovery, it occurs to me that in other places there might be variations that could include tribal or clan affiliations, as well. What then is the ideal length of a Last Name field in a database intended for an unlimited (non-American or European) audience?
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:laugh: No worries, I had a good laff over that, thanks. Better than people assuming I am named afer Sherlock Holmes' side-kick or the shoe company. If I hear one more "Hey, whats on Watson?" joke or "Elementary my dear... *hyuk* *hyuk* *hyuk* " quip I will go postal.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaCrikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: I will go postal Isn't that even more evil than announcing the intended infliction of GBH at some other person? "Postal" - sounds really threatening!
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Weiye Chen wrote: Am i right? Yes, in most (maybe all) American and European countries. In other places the first name is often the family name. In some Latin American countries I've learned recently that the family name can be quite complex, listing ancestry, both paternal and maternal, and including an imposing list of last names. Interesting, and it makes for a curious problem for designers of data entry programs.
"Welcome to Arizona!
Drive Nice - We're Armed..."
- Proposed Sign at CA/AZ BorderI suppose they inherited that from the Spanish who are using as family name the one of the father and the one of the mother. Roger Wright wrote: Proposed Sign at CA/AZ Border Was the sign adopted? :)
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I suppose they inherited that from the Spanish who are using as family name the one of the father and the one of the mother. Roger Wright wrote: Proposed Sign at CA/AZ Border Was the sign adopted? :)
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I didn't know the Spanish use that method... ya learn something every day!:-D KaЯl wrote: Was the sign adopted? Not yet, but we're hopeful. Personally, I favor a high wall and guard towers to keep the ninnies out.
"Welcome to Arizona!
Drive Nice - We're Armed..."
- Proposed Sign at CA/AZ Border