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It's over 10 years since I was in Vancouver but I loved it! If I was going to live in North America, that's where I would go. Although I've heard it's changed quite a lot in recent years. Oddly enough, I found Toronto to be amazingly like Melbourne, Australia. I found it quite boring :-)
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Taka Muraoka wrote: Oddly enough, I found Toronto to be amazingly like Melbourne, Australia. I found it quite boring You hit the proverbial nail on the head there. Do people in Melbourne insist that they live in the greatest city in the world despite all evidence to the contrary? If they do, then perhaps Toronto and Melbourne were separated at birth!;)
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Taka Muraoka wrote: Oddly enough, I found Toronto to be amazingly like Melbourne, Australia. I found it quite boring You hit the proverbial nail on the head there. Do people in Melbourne insist that they live in the greatest city in the world despite all evidence to the contrary? If they do, then perhaps Toronto and Melbourne were separated at birth!;)
John Cardinal wrote: Do people in Melbourne insist that they live in the greatest city in the world despite all evidence to the contrary? Um, we don't need to insist. We have been rated the most livable city in the world on more than one occasion :cool:
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John Cardinal wrote: Do people in Melbourne insist that they live in the greatest city in the world despite all evidence to the contrary? Um, we don't need to insist. We have been rated the most livable city in the world on more than one occasion :cool:
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Taka Muraoka wrote: Um, we don't need to insist. We have been rated the most livable city in the world on more than one occasion Every city in the world claims to be the greatest something. I went to Grande Prairie Alberta one time. It's on the edge of the prairies, lot's of fields as far as the eye can see. Their city slogan on their welcome sign says "Forestry capital of canada"!
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Taka Muraoka wrote: Um, we don't need to insist. We have been rated the most livable city in the world on more than one occasion Every city in the world claims to be the greatest something. I went to Grande Prairie Alberta one time. It's on the edge of the prairies, lot's of fields as far as the eye can see. Their city slogan on their welcome sign says "Forestry capital of canada"!
John Cardinal wrote: "Forestry capital of canada Meh. Who cares. "Livable city" actually counts for something. This isn't a claim made by Melbourne either. There is some (reputable) international organization that rates cities around the world for cost of living, standard of living, safety, climate, etc. And Melbourne topped the list twice and usually ranked highly the other times. Nevertheless, I'd be glad to get out here. Too long in one place and I get :ants in my pants:... :-(
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AdventureBoy wrote: who's been living in Toronto, Canada since he was three I'm mystified, I mean I can understand living in Toronto when your 3, but as soon as you turn 16 your on your own. Why stay there...uggh. The west is the best man, come out to Vancouver or Victoria. You don't need to leave the country to get a good climate and good job. Toronto is for people that don't have any other option or just don't know any better! ;)
John Cardinal wrote: Vancouver or Victoria Beautiful places, both, though I like the sense of isolation on the island better than the big city. Of course, I haven't been there in 30 years so I imagine it's quite ruined by civilization by now.
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Taka Muraoka wrote: Oddly enough, I found Toronto to be amazingly like Melbourne, Australia. I found it quite boring You hit the proverbial nail on the head there. Do people in Melbourne insist that they live in the greatest city in the world despite all evidence to the contrary? If they do, then perhaps Toronto and Melbourne were separated at birth!;)
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AdventureBoy wrote: who's been living in Toronto, Canada since he was three I'm mystified, I mean I can understand living in Toronto when your 3, but as soon as you turn 16 your on your own. Why stay there...uggh. The west is the best man, come out to Vancouver or Victoria. You don't need to leave the country to get a good climate and good job. Toronto is for people that don't have any other option or just don't know any better! ;)
I did like the idea of Vancover but, err, doesn't the climate suck? http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca [^] Compared to Toronto (my banchmark) it seems like Vancover has - mild and very wet winters - mild summers (it never gets above 30C, and it only gets above 20C for half as many days as Toronto) - 40% more days with rain, and 70% more rain in mm annually I'm not keen on the Toronto climate either (long, cold winters get you down) but at least our summers are nice. Vancouver climate seems like a step down. Can no-one offer me advice on New Zealand? Adam ;P Why is the phrase "It's none of my business" always followed by "BUT..." ;P
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John Cardinal wrote: Vancouver or Victoria Beautiful places, both, though I like the sense of isolation on the island better than the big city. Of course, I haven't been there in 30 years so I imagine it's quite ruined by civilization by now.
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Roger Wright wrote: Of course, I haven't been there in 30 years so I imagine it's quite ruined by civilization by now. Vancouver is pretty much big and city-like, but it's a beautiful location. Vancouver Island on the other hand is pretty built up at the south end along the highway, but is still nice and peaceful as long as you go mid to north Vancouver Island which is exactly where I happen to be. Lot's of acreages with big trees and wild animals. We're on 5 acres of land surrounded by trees and at the back of the property is a steep drop off to a river estuary with the river just behind that. All we ever see are deer and lot's of birds. I can't imagine living in the city (any city) every again. Although I know that there are many cool reasons to do so.
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I did like the idea of Vancover but, err, doesn't the climate suck? http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca [^] Compared to Toronto (my banchmark) it seems like Vancover has - mild and very wet winters - mild summers (it never gets above 30C, and it only gets above 20C for half as many days as Toronto) - 40% more days with rain, and 70% more rain in mm annually I'm not keen on the Toronto climate either (long, cold winters get you down) but at least our summers are nice. Vancouver climate seems like a step down. Can no-one offer me advice on New Zealand? Adam ;P Why is the phrase "It's none of my business" always followed by "BUT..." ;P
We'll actually B.C. has areas that mirror every single climate in the world: There is a desert in southwestern B.C., Taiga to the north, tropical rainforest on the west coast, the Rocky mountains etc etc. Here on Vancouver Island where I am which is about 5 miles inland from the ocean it's been mostly above 30C all summer and the days of rain since early June I could probably count on one hand, but Vancouver is of course on the ocean and that levels the temperature pretty much. If you like hot, you go inland a bit, if you like temperate, you live by the ocean. If you like cold you live up in the mountains etc. And yes it does rain in the winter a lot here, but I actually love that and it doesn't stop me from going out mountain biking etc. In fact, mountain biking is improved immeasurably when your covered in mud the whole time. Also we live right near a moutain with a ski resort so any time in the winter I can drive up out of the rain and into the snow and go skiing. I know that a lot of people that move here from Toronto are about ready to slit their wrists at the end of their first winter here with all the rain and clouds, but that's exactly what I love about winters here.
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John Cardinal wrote: Vancouver or Victoria Beautiful places, both, though I like the sense of isolation on the island better than the big city. Of course, I haven't been there in 30 years so I imagine it's quite ruined by civilization by now.
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Well it's about time you came up for a visit, it's just a short drive from your place:-D
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We'll actually B.C. has areas that mirror every single climate in the world: There is a desert in southwestern B.C., Taiga to the north, tropical rainforest on the west coast, the Rocky mountains etc etc. Here on Vancouver Island where I am which is about 5 miles inland from the ocean it's been mostly above 30C all summer and the days of rain since early June I could probably count on one hand, but Vancouver is of course on the ocean and that levels the temperature pretty much. If you like hot, you go inland a bit, if you like temperate, you live by the ocean. If you like cold you live up in the mountains etc. And yes it does rain in the winter a lot here, but I actually love that and it doesn't stop me from going out mountain biking etc. In fact, mountain biking is improved immeasurably when your covered in mud the whole time. Also we live right near a moutain with a ski resort so any time in the winter I can drive up out of the rain and into the snow and go skiing. I know that a lot of people that move here from Toronto are about ready to slit their wrists at the end of their first winter here with all the rain and clouds, but that's exactly what I love about winters here.
> Well actually B.C. has areas that mirror every single climate in the world That's one of the things I like about New Zealand. Maybe I should check BC out as well. ;P Why is the phrase "It's none of my business" always followed by "BUT..." ;P
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> Well actually B.C. has areas that mirror every single climate in the world That's one of the things I like about New Zealand. Maybe I should check BC out as well. ;P Why is the phrase "It's none of my business" always followed by "BUT..." ;P
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"We sent troops to Afghanistan. You never hear about it. We have huge government scandals. You never hear about it. It's all 'America did this,' and 'Europe says that,'" exclaimed Perth resident Paul Watson. "Well, we're right in the thick of things now, so let's just see if you can you ignore us." Paul really gets around huh? :rolleyes: ;P Paul ;)
That demands capital punishment!! Death by a herd of marauding Bobs! - Ryan Binns
He's quite the world traveller, our Mr. Watson!:-D
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Well it's about time you came up for a visit, it's just a short drive from your place:-D
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Indeed! But there's a minor hassle with your immigration people - they won't let me in, even to visit.
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Hey I'm a New Zealand Citizen, who's been living in Toronto, Canada since he was three. I'm seriously considering moving back to New Zealand, for the better climate, and because I think the lifestyle will be more in tune with what I enjoy. Are there any other Kiwi CPians out there who can tell me about - the software industry over there? - Are software people in demand? - Could I have a rewarding career without living in Auckland? - I'm into scuba, motorbiking, mountain biking, rock climbing, mountaineering, snowboarding, sailing, windsurfing... basically anything involving the outdoors. Which cities/towns would you recommend, for career and lifestyle? - Do you know of any good websites for real estate or job posting databases? - Any other thoughts? Adam ;P Why is the phrase "It's none of my business" always followed by "BUT..." ;P
AdventureBoy wrote: >- the software industry over there? exists, but is small and specialized. AdventureBoy wrote: - Are software people in demand? limited AdventureBoy wrote: - Could I have a rewarding career without living in Auckland? You can earn money outside of Auckland, but the best prospects are obviously in Auckland and the highest costs, etc. AdventureBoy wrote: - I'm into scuba, motorbiking, mountain biking, rock climbing, mountaineering, snowboarding, sailing, windsurfing... basically anything involving the outdoors. Which cities/towns would you recommend, for career and lifestyle? Bay of Plenty, or Hawkes Bay towns or Cities also Christchurch. But stuff really is not that far apart. AdventureBoy wrote: - Do you know of any good websites for real estate or job posting databases? Sorry I never look at them, but http://www.netcheck.co.nz/ is meant to be good and google should help you find property. AdventureBoy wrote: - Any other thoughts? The NZ dollar is currently higher valued then it normally is, more due to the weak US$. A lot of IT work is done for overseas clients because of this. If you can get a contract in the US or Canada, and then work from NZ you will be obviously advantaged. The software industry is small and competitive so don't expect great pickings. Also there are a lot of funny languages used and decent C++ is a minor player. Regardz Colin J Davies
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It's over 10 years since I was in Vancouver but I loved it! If I was going to live in North America, that's where I would go. Although I've heard it's changed quite a lot in recent years. Oddly enough, I found Toronto to be amazingly like Melbourne, Australia. I found it quite boring :-)
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Taka Muraoka wrote: amazingly like Melbourne, Australia. I found it quite boring :omg: Blasphemy! I'm learning to appreciate Toronto more and more but I still yearn for Melbourne. Winter sucks but spring to Autumn are great. Cycling along beach road, the cafe's, surfing down at Bell's beach, head out to Arapiles for some climbing, up to Hotham for snowboarding, awesome restaurants, pubs in South Melbourne and St Kilda. aaaaahhhh... cheers, Chris Maunder
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AdventureBoy wrote: >- the software industry over there? exists, but is small and specialized. AdventureBoy wrote: - Are software people in demand? limited AdventureBoy wrote: - Could I have a rewarding career without living in Auckland? You can earn money outside of Auckland, but the best prospects are obviously in Auckland and the highest costs, etc. AdventureBoy wrote: - I'm into scuba, motorbiking, mountain biking, rock climbing, mountaineering, snowboarding, sailing, windsurfing... basically anything involving the outdoors. Which cities/towns would you recommend, for career and lifestyle? Bay of Plenty, or Hawkes Bay towns or Cities also Christchurch. But stuff really is not that far apart. AdventureBoy wrote: - Do you know of any good websites for real estate or job posting databases? Sorry I never look at them, but http://www.netcheck.co.nz/ is meant to be good and google should help you find property. AdventureBoy wrote: - Any other thoughts? The NZ dollar is currently higher valued then it normally is, more due to the weak US$. A lot of IT work is done for overseas clients because of this. If you can get a contract in the US or Canada, and then work from NZ you will be obviously advantaged. The software industry is small and competitive so don't expect great pickings. Also there are a lot of funny languages used and decent C++ is a minor player. Regardz Colin J Davies
*** WARNING *
This could be addictive
**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
Thank you kindly for your help! P.S. I checked out your bio, to see where you are from... 1500m fly?!? Is that even possible for mere mortals?!? ;P Why is the phrase "It's none of my business" always followed by "BUT..." ;P
