Enterprise
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I've never seen or heard of any references as to the timeline of first-contact with Klingons. But since humans delivered their spy back to them in one piece, and with the information intact, I wonder why they hated starfleet so much by the time Kirk came around. No Romulans (yet). I think you're nit-picking on the emblem thing. Each ship was supposed to have their own emblem, but the Enterprise's was adopted for all of StarFleet because that ship figured so promenantly in the history of the service. It's perfectly fine for the new crew to wear the emblem because their ship is named Enterprise. Where have they ever said that NCC-1701 was the first starship to bear that name? As far as the acting goes, it's typical of any new series. The acting in TNG was abysmal for the first few episodes, but eventually all of the actors settled into their characters and the series dramatically improved. I anticipate that this series will folow the same basic pattern.
Regarding the emblem thing, like I said, tiny little things just catch my attention.:) Anyway, the references to NCC-1701 have being the first ship have mostly been in written form. There have been a lot of "technical manuals" and "encyclopedias" etc written that have been used as author guidelines. But I remember that Star Trek: The Motion Picture was also inconsistent in that fact. There is a scene with the bald chick on the rec deck and Decker is showing her images of past Enterprises and the board shows one in between the shuttle and NCC-1701 that looks nothing like the one on Enterprise. See? I have a sickness I tell ya! :-D :-D You are correct about the acting. I didn't like Kate Mulgrew at first either but she grew on me. She cleans up well too when she lets her hair down. ;) I love the Trek. But I may not watch the new one simple because I don't want to get involved in another series. I have too much to do. WillCodeForMoney
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Regarding the emblem thing, like I said, tiny little things just catch my attention.:) Anyway, the references to NCC-1701 have being the first ship have mostly been in written form. There have been a lot of "technical manuals" and "encyclopedias" etc written that have been used as author guidelines. But I remember that Star Trek: The Motion Picture was also inconsistent in that fact. There is a scene with the bald chick on the rec deck and Decker is showing her images of past Enterprises and the board shows one in between the shuttle and NCC-1701 that looks nothing like the one on Enterprise. See? I have a sickness I tell ya! :-D :-D You are correct about the acting. I didn't like Kate Mulgrew at first either but she grew on me. She cleans up well too when she lets her hair down. ;) I love the Trek. But I may not watch the new one simple because I don't want to get involved in another series. I have too much to do. WillCodeForMoney
Although, that J. Frakes guy never did learn to act! :-D :-D :-D WillCodeForMoney
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Well, what did everyone think of it? I think it's going to be a good series, but... 1) The cheesy theme song has to go. 2) The soft porn was unneccesary (where T'Pol and Tucker were in the decontamination room). It would have been a better scene if T'Pol had simply started stripping off her clothes and expecting Tucker not to react. 3) Blalock (T'Pol) doesn't seem to be into the role as a Vulcan (yet). When the little dog started humping her leg, she almost smiled. 4) The other Vulcans seem to be walking around with a look of surprise on their faces. I think they were trying to appear to be aloof, but they looked surprised that they're being payed to simply walk around with pointy ears glued to their heads and look surprised. 5) I don't think that StarFleet would put them on an extended mission after their first battle in space where they received any type of damage. It's a brand new ship (and the only one they have), and I'm sure they'd like to look it over for ways to improve the design. I also don't think the crew would have the capability of effecting extensive repairs without visiting a yet-to-be-built starbase.
Rotweiler, the redneck outlaw who also happens to be a Trekkie. hehe oh man now I have seen it all. You got your convention costume and the klingon warblade? ;P We only get 2 or 3 year old seasons of Star Trek in South Africa and they only showed about 5 episode of STNG. Sad state of affairs I know :(( :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
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Rotweiler, the redneck outlaw who also happens to be a Trekkie. hehe oh man now I have seen it all. You got your convention costume and the klingon warblade? ;P We only get 2 or 3 year old seasons of Star Trek in South Africa and they only showed about 5 episode of STNG. Sad state of affairs I know :(( :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
I wouldn't go so far as to call me a "trekkie". I like to watch the shows (didn't really care much for the original series or DS9), but I don't collect star trek stuff (uniforms, props, magazines, etc), have never been to a convention (nor had a desire to do so), and have never wished to get to know Jeri Ryan nor Jolene Blalock beyond providing them with a healthy dose of looooove gravy. For the record, the "klingon warblade" is called a "batleth" (sp?). At least get your nomenclature right. :)
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I haven't watched it yet (I taped it). But everything I've read and continue to read tells me that I probably will not follow the series. I think Roddenberry is rolling over in is grave. It seems so inconsistent with the established history of Star Trek. Yeah, I know. It's a TV show. But they have worked so hard over the years TRYING to be consistent and now they seem to have thrown all that out the window. Being a person to picks up on every technical error in a film :) I hate seeing things that are "wrong". There isn't supposed to be an Enterprise in that time frame (with the NCC-1701 being the first named Enterprise). I do not believe that there was supposed to be Klingon contact at that time (but I am not too sure on that one). We Romulans in this episode? I was told they are supposed to be in the series but according to the original series no one had actually seen one yet (until the original series) to know what they look like. Then again, I didn't like First Contact either. The character of Zefram Cochrane was completely different from that depicted in the original series. Then there is the issue of the Enterprise emblem being used for all of Star Fleet ever since the ST: The Motion Picture was released. In the original series, that emblem was specifically to identify crew of the Enterprise, with each ship having its own emblem/logo/whatever. See what I mean about picking up technical errors?:-D Hey, I don't mind making up stuff, artistic license and all that, but with a product such as the Star Trek saga, I would prefer that they stick to a level of consistency that a lot of people have put a lot of effort into creating and maintaining over the years with previous series. I'll watch the tape this weekend. I did flip over every now and then during commercial breaks and it looked like the acting was suffering. Now, do you want me to point out how many times the Dodge truck got trashed in the movie Twister and still looked sparkling new in the next scene? :-D WillCodeForMoney
I tend not to be too picky about Hollywood and Science fiction. To me, its just pure escapism and pretty much the only thing I watch on TV. If they make some effort to make it interesting, without too many time travel or holodeck plot devices, I'm OK with it. If I'm in the mood for *good* science fiction I go back and re-read something from Asimov, Clarke or Heinlein. What I would *really* like to see is a TV scifi series which reflects modern knowledge. We pretty much *know* the galaxy is a pretty lonely place. How an evoloving intergalatic human civilization deals with that awesome reality would be far more interesting to me than running into another race of warriors/fascists every week. "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.
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I wouldn't go so far as to call me a "trekkie". I like to watch the shows (didn't really care much for the original series or DS9), but I don't collect star trek stuff (uniforms, props, magazines, etc), have never been to a convention (nor had a desire to do so), and have never wished to get to know Jeri Ryan nor Jolene Blalock beyond providing them with a healthy dose of looooove gravy. For the record, the "klingon warblade" is called a "batleth" (sp?). At least get your nomenclature right. :)
Hmmm, I've always thought that DS9 was the best of the bunch, but everyone, including my son, tells me I'm out to lunch on that. "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.
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I tend not to be too picky about Hollywood and Science fiction. To me, its just pure escapism and pretty much the only thing I watch on TV. If they make some effort to make it interesting, without too many time travel or holodeck plot devices, I'm OK with it. If I'm in the mood for *good* science fiction I go back and re-read something from Asimov, Clarke or Heinlein. What I would *really* like to see is a TV scifi series which reflects modern knowledge. We pretty much *know* the galaxy is a pretty lonely place. How an evoloving intergalatic human civilization deals with that awesome reality would be far more interesting to me than running into another race of warriors/fascists every week. "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.
X| I can't stand those holodeck episodes either. Good grief. I was tired of it on Voyager. And I read an article lately that one producer/writer/something wanted to do more of them. X| Hey, when I want pure escapism, I watch Buffy The Vampire Slayer. WillCodeForMoney
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Hmmm, I've always thought that DS9 was the best of the bunch, but everyone, including my son, tells me I'm out to lunch on that. "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.
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I tend not to be too picky about Hollywood and Science fiction. To me, its just pure escapism and pretty much the only thing I watch on TV. If they make some effort to make it interesting, without too many time travel or holodeck plot devices, I'm OK with it. If I'm in the mood for *good* science fiction I go back and re-read something from Asimov, Clarke or Heinlein. What I would *really* like to see is a TV scifi series which reflects modern knowledge. We pretty much *know* the galaxy is a pretty lonely place. How an evoloving intergalatic human civilization deals with that awesome reality would be far more interesting to me than running into another race of warriors/fascists every week. "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.
"intergalatic"! damn, what kind of scifi buff am I? Obviously meant interstellar. "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.
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"intergalatic"! damn, what kind of scifi buff am I? Obviously meant interstellar. "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.
:-D :-D :-D :-D WillCodeForMoney
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Well, what did everyone think of it? I think it's going to be a good series, but... 1) The cheesy theme song has to go. 2) The soft porn was unneccesary (where T'Pol and Tucker were in the decontamination room). It would have been a better scene if T'Pol had simply started stripping off her clothes and expecting Tucker not to react. 3) Blalock (T'Pol) doesn't seem to be into the role as a Vulcan (yet). When the little dog started humping her leg, she almost smiled. 4) The other Vulcans seem to be walking around with a look of surprise on their faces. I think they were trying to appear to be aloof, but they looked surprised that they're being payed to simply walk around with pointy ears glued to their heads and look surprised. 5) I don't think that StarFleet would put them on an extended mission after their first battle in space where they received any type of damage. It's a brand new ship (and the only one they have), and I'm sure they'd like to look it over for ways to improve the design. I also don't think the crew would have the capability of effecting extensive repairs without visiting a yet-to-be-built starbase.
I pretty much agree with the opinions posted so far. I like the pictures in the intro, but hate the music. I hated the soft-porn too. It seems like the writers thought, "see there's these two characters who don't like each other, so let's throw them in a wacky situation together... no, even better, let's have them feel each other up!! It'll be FUNNY!" blech. The acting was far, far better than the first TNG, that's for sure. The lady who plays the linguistic wizard (Linda Park I think) is gorgeous. rowwwwrrrr! Oh, and letterboxing rules! :cool: --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ Trillian: What are you supposed to do with a manically depressed robot? Marvin: You think you've got problems. What are you supposed to do if you are a manically depressed robot?
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Hmmm, I've always thought that DS9 was the best of the bunch, but everyone, including my son, tells me I'm out to lunch on that. "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.
I think a LOT of people generally believe that DS9 was the best. I think it developed into a pretty good show with the Dominion war especially. Of course, after the battles with the Borg and the Dominion, Star Fleet can't have any ships left!!:) Maybe that's why they decided to make up a prequel series. :) WillCodeForMoney
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Well, what did everyone think of it? I think it's going to be a good series, but... 1) The cheesy theme song has to go. 2) The soft porn was unneccesary (where T'Pol and Tucker were in the decontamination room). It would have been a better scene if T'Pol had simply started stripping off her clothes and expecting Tucker not to react. 3) Blalock (T'Pol) doesn't seem to be into the role as a Vulcan (yet). When the little dog started humping her leg, she almost smiled. 4) The other Vulcans seem to be walking around with a look of surprise on their faces. I think they were trying to appear to be aloof, but they looked surprised that they're being payed to simply walk around with pointy ears glued to their heads and look surprised. 5) I don't think that StarFleet would put them on an extended mission after their first battle in space where they received any type of damage. It's a brand new ship (and the only one they have), and I'm sure they'd like to look it over for ways to improve the design. I also don't think the crew would have the capability of effecting extensive repairs without visiting a yet-to-be-built starbase.
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Well, what did everyone think of it? I think it's going to be a good series, but... 1) The cheesy theme song has to go. 2) The soft porn was unneccesary (where T'Pol and Tucker were in the decontamination room). It would have been a better scene if T'Pol had simply started stripping off her clothes and expecting Tucker not to react. 3) Blalock (T'Pol) doesn't seem to be into the role as a Vulcan (yet). When the little dog started humping her leg, she almost smiled. 4) The other Vulcans seem to be walking around with a look of surprise on their faces. I think they were trying to appear to be aloof, but they looked surprised that they're being payed to simply walk around with pointy ears glued to their heads and look surprised. 5) I don't think that StarFleet would put them on an extended mission after their first battle in space where they received any type of damage. It's a brand new ship (and the only one they have), and I'm sure they'd like to look it over for ways to improve the design. I also don't think the crew would have the capability of effecting extensive repairs without visiting a yet-to-be-built starbase.
I think the series is going to be really good. As far as any continuity problems with the other series, I don't really care about all that. It's not like the rest of the series do not have continuity problems that the geeks argue about to no end. I thought it was a nice touch that the hospital on earth had a manual door on it instead of an automated one. It gives the retro feel to it. There is mention of the Romulans and Vulcans being from the same race, with the Vulcans rejecting emotion. I'm wondering if the Vulcans in the series do not have complete control yet ( The guy raising his voice, and T'Pol showing emotion several times ). The theme song sucks greatly. I was looking forward to yet another good theme song and was totally dissapointed. I just can't imagine listening to this for the rest of the series. I also like the fact that the crew doesn't completely trust anything on the ship. Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in it to make him stumble -- 1 John 1:9-10
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I thought it was very good. My complaints: 1) The cheesy theme song has to go. 2) The cheesy theme song has to go. 3) The cheesy theme song has to go. 4) Broken Bow, Oklahoma looks nothing like that. 5) The Klingon home world is only 4 days from Earth at Warp 4! God help us! 6) If the Galaxy is as heavily populated as that, why the heck isn't SETI picking up anything? 7) The soft porn and some of the language does not bode well. I've always enjoyed watching Star Trek with my kids. I'd hate to have to start pre-screening it before I let them watch. "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.
regarding 7.): I never understood why you Americans let your kids look at someone killing/shooting/etc at someone other (like e.g. here in StarTrek), but get nuts if someone is naked :confused: -- See me: www.magerquark.de Want a job? www.zeta-software.de/jobs
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Well, what did everyone think of it? I think it's going to be a good series, but... 1) The cheesy theme song has to go. 2) The soft porn was unneccesary (where T'Pol and Tucker were in the decontamination room). It would have been a better scene if T'Pol had simply started stripping off her clothes and expecting Tucker not to react. 3) Blalock (T'Pol) doesn't seem to be into the role as a Vulcan (yet). When the little dog started humping her leg, she almost smiled. 4) The other Vulcans seem to be walking around with a look of surprise on their faces. I think they were trying to appear to be aloof, but they looked surprised that they're being payed to simply walk around with pointy ears glued to their heads and look surprised. 5) I don't think that StarFleet would put them on an extended mission after their first battle in space where they received any type of damage. It's a brand new ship (and the only one they have), and I'm sure they'd like to look it over for ways to improve the design. I also don't think the crew would have the capability of effecting extensive repairs without visiting a yet-to-be-built starbase.
Well, as far as the vulcans go. You must realize that at this point in uhhh... history? The Vulcans view humans in contempt, as inferior beings. While that attitude largely persists even in uhhh.. modern? Vulcans, they at least respect humans, even if they find them illogical and lacking self-control. Further, Vulcans have always had a lot less control over their emotions than they proclaim. And, a truly emotionless character is pretty boring. Even Data had "emotions" of a sort. So, to have Vulcans treat humans with contempt is understandable. At least at this stage of the star trek timeline.
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regarding 7.): I never understood why you Americans let your kids look at someone killing/shooting/etc at someone other (like e.g. here in StarTrek), but get nuts if someone is naked :confused: -- See me: www.magerquark.de Want a job? www.zeta-software.de/jobs
Exactly!! cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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regarding 7.): I never understood why you Americans let your kids look at someone killing/shooting/etc at someone other (like e.g. here in StarTrek), but get nuts if someone is naked :confused: -- See me: www.magerquark.de Want a job? www.zeta-software.de/jobs
I think it is because the Constitution mentions guns. Which leads to shooting the shit out of people. No where does it mention sex or porn. :-D Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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regarding 7.): I never understood why you Americans let your kids look at someone killing/shooting/etc at someone other (like e.g. here in StarTrek), but get nuts if someone is naked :confused: -- See me: www.magerquark.de Want a job? www.zeta-software.de/jobs
Fair point, Uwe. Yet, for example, I never let my children play violent video games. If the game involves shooting or otherwise killing individual characters - it does not get played in my house. Furthermore, I *did* watch that scene in 'Enterprise' last night with my 12 year old son, and we had a good laugh over it. No harm done. However, as an American of Southern heritage, I am not, in general, culturally predisposed to be offended by displays of violence, and I do not beleive that violence in and of itself is, in any shape form or fashion, immoral. There is certianly such a thing as "moral violence". Yet, even though I am not a person of great religious sentiment, I *am* culturally predisposed to believe that sexual behavior is only moral when it occurs between a married heterosexual couple in the privacy of thier own bedroom without camaras rolling and displaying the activity to my children. In otherwords, I *want* my children to understand the concept of violence for a moral purpose as well as understanding that promiscuous sexual behavior is never moral within the context of our culture and its codes of ethics. Lastly, I think to say "you Americans" is a rather broad generalization and is not generally characteristic on an enlightened mind. I mean, to imply that we Americans all adher to some kind of common moral mantra, as one might expect, say, of Marxist or Muslims, is rather narrow minded I should think. :rose: "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.
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I wouldn't go so far as to call me a "trekkie". I like to watch the shows (didn't really care much for the original series or DS9), but I don't collect star trek stuff (uniforms, props, magazines, etc), have never been to a convention (nor had a desire to do so), and have never wished to get to know Jeri Ryan nor Jolene Blalock beyond providing them with a healthy dose of looooove gravy. For the record, the "klingon warblade" is called a "batleth" (sp?). At least get your nomenclature right. :)
..."I wouldn't go so far as to call me a "trekkie"... and then... ..."For the record, the "klingon warblade" is called a "batleth"... hmmm, sure now I really believe you. ;P regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
