sub-humans at it again

Terry ONolley

KaЯl wrote: and promote genocide? I take it you are talking about the Palestinians pledge to drive all jews into the sea?

David Wulff

Good grief Stan, how many Muslims do you actually know? I'll wager there are none... :wtf:

David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum

"I live very much in the real world, it's just not the same world shared by most other people"

Mike Gaskey

KaЯl wrote: It that part of free expression to call to murder and promote genocide? Not sure. Let's check with Arafat, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hizbollah, Al Aqusa, PLO - and see what they think. But yes. If you murder one of mine then your's are fair game. However, I did suggest a solution you just don't like it. I'll try once more --> declare a nation (it doesn't matter a squat that you're "occupied", you'll always be "occupied" as long as it is necessary for ,"my" protection.) Mike

Mike Gaskey

Stan Shannon wrote: We in the west have got to get it through our heads that when it comes to Islam we have two choices - submit to it or destroy it. I agree, at least based on my reading of the basis for the religion. Mike

Terry ONolley

Mike Gaskey wrote: at least based on my reading of the basis for the religion And a groovy religion it is too! Since the mullahs are beieved to be endowed with holy powers, anything they say carries the weight of god. So they tell you to slaughter thousands of innocent people and you'll go to an afterlife where you get to bone dozens of virgins. Sounds like a group of gentlement who don't plan on living at peace with their neighbors. And when you combine that mindset with the economic, scientific and military powers of an oil-rich nation-state then you have the recipe for disaster. Only a naive ferf would think that nations founded on those beliefs wouldn't do their "holy duty" by nuking America if we were just stupid enough to allow them to get their hands on one. And of course several euro "powers" choose the appeasemnet route - buying their own safety by selling those terror states the knowledge and hardware they need to kill us.

Mike Gaskey

yes! Mike

Terry ONolley

KaЯl wrote: I don't side with any of them, neither palestinian no israeli. neither on the side of the killers of 900 israeli, nor on the side of the killers of 3000 palestinian You can claim you don't support the terrorists, but every comment you make shows your true feelings. Take this little nugget above. You make a point to show that Israel has killed more Palestinians. You don't tell the real story - the Israelis killed were mostly innocents - murdered by terrorists. The palestinians were mainly killed in military operations against terrorists.

KaRl

You took it the wrong way.

New, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder?

KaRl

Terry O`Nolley wrote: but every comment you make shows your true feelings So we have another Freud there. Terry O`Nolley wrote: You make a point to show that Israel has killed more Palestinians I make a point that on both sides innocent where killed. Terry O`Nolley wrote: The palestinians were mainly killed in military operations against terrorists. Exact figures? Or is it just another affirmation?

New, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder?

KaRl

Mike Gaskey wrote: you just don't like it I didn't argue about this solution because for the moment I have no firm opinion about it. I just don't see how a formal declaration of statehood could change the situation. Do you think the US and Israel are ready to recognize such a state? :confused:

New, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder?

Mike Gaskey

KaЯl wrote: Do you think the US and Israel are ready to recognize such a state? The US would be one of the last, then Israel. The point is, once it is declared the rest of the world has no choice - especially given what I believe to be the majority of world opinion. Mike

KaRl

Mike Gaskey wrote: The point is, once it is declared the rest of the world has no choice I don't understand. No choice of what? Recognize a palestinian state? COuld you please also develop why an official declaration of statehood would solve the problem?

New, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder?

Stan Shannon

How many do I need to know? If I knew a thousand and they were all the nicest people on the planet what significance would that have? My first thought would be: "Geez, if you people are so nice why don't you go back to your own contries and take care of those murderous bastards that are killing in the name of your religion." The fact that they don't seem inclined to do that tells me every thing I need to know about "nice" Muslims. Sorry, but I'm just not inclined to be generous towards such people. I want them to proove to me that they are worthy of my civilization, because it is lightyears better than their's.

Mike Gaskey

KaЯl wrote: No choice of what? Recognize a palestinian state? precisely. KaЯl wrote: why an official declaration of statehood would solve the problem? puts everything on a different plane. A physcological gambit that I believe works for the Palestinians, as long as they stop the terror. It then all comes down to negotiations that would be monitored by the rest of the world. At that point warriors no longer have a role, Arafat and Sharon and similar types are marginalized and it is a diplomatic game from then on. Mike

David Wulff

Stan Shannon wrote: How many do I need to know? Just one would be enough, and then you may actually be able to gain an understanding for the basis of their religion that did not come from CNN. :| Go on a visit to your local Mosque - they will be more than happy to welcome you in and answer all the questions you may have. I didn't want to have to say this because I find it astonishing it even needs mentioning, but doing something in the name of a religion and doing something as disposed through a religion are not the same thing. I should not need to remind anyone that every atrocity and every war ever fought has been done in the name of one religion or ideal or another by people with strength of belief on par with those in the limelight today. That's what religion does: it allows individuals to justify decisions through their own interpretations of its teachings (just look at the bigger groups in Christianity) - but the decisions are up to them to make. Stan Shannon wrote: My first thought would be: "Geez, if you people are so nice why don't you go back to your own contries and take care of those murderous bastards that are killing in the name of your religion." That I think is probably where we are disagreeing from - you seem to be coming from an 'us' and 'them' standpoint, rather than merely an 'us'. That is a major hurdle in this country with immigrants trying to settle here; and that leads to deeper puddles of shit than merely going round murdering children. :(

David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum

"I live very much in the real world, it's just not the same world shared by most other people"

Chris Losinger

Terry O`Nolley wrote: the mullahs are beieved to be endowed with holy powers, anything they say carries the weight of god. how unusual. i can't think of any other religion that works like that. ImgSource | CheeseWeasle

Terry ONolley

KaЯl wrote: I just don't see how a formal declaration of statehood could change the situation. If the Palestinians accepted their borders, renounced terrorism, acknowledged Israel's right to exist and then declared statehood a lot of nations would recognize their existence. KaЯl wrote: Do you think the US and Israel are ready to recognize such a state? First off, it wouldn't matter. Such an issue would be settled in the general assembly of the UN, not the security council. I have no doubt that membership to the UN would be granted to the new state of Palestine. Israel and the US's choice to not recognize that state would have no bearing on the matter. But I believe that Israel and the US would recognize such a state because to not do so would look quite bad - seeing as that is what we have been trying to accomplish for decades. The only ones who don't want a Palestinian state that recognizes Israel's right to exist are Iran, Syria, Libya, Egypt and a minority of the Palestinians who are terrorists.

Terry ONolley

Mike Gaskey wrote: The real fact is the Palestinians DO NOT WANT A NATION, they want the death of Israeli. And the Palestinians are merely meat-puppet marionettes whose mouths are being moved by Iranians and Syrians.

Terry ONolley

David Wulff wrote: That I think is probably where we are disagreeing from - you seem to be coming from an 'us' and 'them' standpoint, rather than merely an 'us'. That is a major hurdle in this country with immigrants trying to settle here; and that leads to deeper puddles of sh*t than merely going round murdering children I think "merely" murdering children is worse than being suspicious of a religious group who commits terrorist acts every day in the name of that religion.

David Wulff

People are murdered, children too if you like emotive language... should we tackle the effects or the cause? Suspicion, a lack of trust, destroys far more lives than bullets and bombs.

David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum

"I live very much in the real world, it's just not the same world shared by most other people"