Everyones favorite subject - Outsourcing!
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Rohit Sinha wrote: LOL Nish, you really hate it, don't you? Yeah Rohit. I know I sometimes get carried away with my protests. But it really hurts when you think of it because we are basically being deprived of soemthing so vital to us as 21st century developers. Its like a violinist being told that he wont access to a violin except for 5 minutes a week :( Rohit Sinha wrote: It might be some time before broadband really arrives in India though. Perhaps if they let foreign providers provide internet it might improve things. Look what all the foreign/private satellite channels did to improve TV broadcasting quality in India. Nish
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Nishant S wrote: Perhaps if they let foreign providers provide internet it might improve things. That's actually a good idea. The competition will force the ISPs to either improve, merge/get bought, or close down (good riddance). But where will the Indian ISPs get the infrastructre from? The foreign ISPs have a lot of money and will have no difficulty putting up their own infrastructure, but the local ones won't be able to do any such thing and will have to wait for players like Reliance etc to do something and then license from them. Wait a couple more years and then open the gates, I say. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Rohit Sinha wrote: Nish, you really hate it, don't you? Who doesn't? Have you tried being on dialup after being pampered for a month on a 128K connection? X| And Nish must have got used to much more than 128K. Vikram.
Love like you've never been hurt. Work like you don't need the money. Dance like nobody's watching. KI klike KDE kand kuse kit, kbut KI kmust kadmit, kstarting kall knames kwith K kis ksilly. KI khope kthey kwill kgive kup kthis kwhole kscheme ksoon kand kcome kup kwith kreal knames. pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking.
Where did you get 128K? Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Outsouring to India will fail in the long run for the simple reason that the whole of India has as much total bandwidth as an onion seller would in San Francisco :-( All the newer MS technologies are closely bound to the Internet. I'd like to see how anyone can develop wholly internet dependent apps when you have to pay 90% of your salary for 1/1000th the speed any normal US-developer gets! :sigh: Nish
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Nishant S wrote: when you have to pay 90% of your salary for 1/1000th the speed any normal US-developer gets! Well, you were living in America for a while, but you didn't like it here, either. Let's see, unhappy in India, unhappy in America, unhappy again in India, hmmm. Is there a pattern forming somewhere here? ;) Don't shoot, guys, I'm only teasing... :cool: Chistopher Duncan The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success
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Outsouring to India will fail in the long run for the simple reason that the whole of India has as much total bandwidth as an onion seller would in San Francisco :-( All the newer MS technologies are closely bound to the Internet. I'd like to see how anyone can develop wholly internet dependent apps when you have to pay 90% of your salary for 1/1000th the speed any normal US-developer gets! :sigh: Nish
Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework [NW] (coming soon...) Summer Love and Some more Cricket [NW] (My first novel) Shog's review of SLASMC [NW] This post was made from Trivandrum city, India on a 0.0001 KB/s net connection
It is not so bad Nish. Web-dev existed before broadband and we did ok then too. I agree broadband is lovely, it does increase productivity (and farting about) but we get 7kbps and do a good job in web-dev. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Miszou wrote: I have read the entire internet. on how boring his day was. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Vikram Punathambekar wrote: I could be wrong Nish, but I think your experience is limited to a small city like TVM. We in CBE just got our first pseudo-broadband ISP (yes, I made up that term) and their business isn't exactly booming. I am on cable-internet right now. Slow cable is the word I use for it (just as you use "pseudo-broadband") The max speed I get is 6 KB/s and during day times I usually get 1-1.5 KB/s. Thats about the same speed that a 56K dial up user gets :-( And sometimes it gets so slow pages time out and I am unable to even pop my mail :(( Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Just curious, but what b/w did you get in the US? I had 6 Mbps DSL :sigh: Nish
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Nishant S wrote: The max speed I get is 6 KB/s and during day times I usually get 1-1.5 KB/s. In Durgapur we don't even have cable internet. :( But my dial up is better than what you have. I normally get at least 3-4 KB/s. At peak times, in the night usually, I get 6-7KB/s. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Anyone who's worried about losing their job to outsourcing, fear not! - It seems a whole new industry has sprung up thanks to our offshore friends; Fixing bugs in over-budget badly written outsourced projects! :-D The Hidden Costs of IT Outsourcing[^] "Keith Franklin, president of Empowered Software Solutions in Burr Ridge, Ill., loves offshore outsourcing . It means more work for his 40-person company. Just last year, ESS, which specializes in developing applications for Microsoft's .Net platform for Web services, earned $500,000 in revenues from fixing buggy software written in India. It took ESS five months to repair a glitch-filled application for a Web portal. Most pages on the site weren't connected, turning updating into a nightmare. Some code was missing."..... John[^]
And all US development is bug free, on time and under budget, right? Come on chaps. There is no clear cut "outsourcing is bad, stick with us" rule. You will get bad outsourcers as you will get bad local dev. Both have their challenges, their pros and cons. Weigh it up and pick what is right for the task at hand. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Miszou wrote: I have read the entire internet. on how boring his day was. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Where did you get 128K? Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Bangalore, of course. I don't know about connection speeds in Madras/Mumbai/etc, but cable is becoming fairly common there. Mutters to himself: Just 8 more months... Vikram.
Love like you've never been hurt. Work like you don't need the money. Dance like nobody's watching. KI klike KDE kand kuse kit, kbut KI kmust kadmit, kstarting kall knames kwith K kis ksilly. KI khope kthey kwill kgive kup kthis kwhole kscheme ksoon kand kcome kup kwith kreal knames. pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking.
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Nishant S wrote: Perhaps if they let foreign providers provide internet it might improve things. That's actually a good idea. The competition will force the ISPs to either improve, merge/get bought, or close down (good riddance). But where will the Indian ISPs get the infrastructre from? The foreign ISPs have a lot of money and will have no difficulty putting up their own infrastructure, but the local ones won't be able to do any such thing and will have to wait for players like Reliance etc to do something and then license from them. Wait a couple more years and then open the gates, I say. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Rohit Sinha wrote: Wait a couple more years and then open the gates, I say. Fair enough, that way the Indian ISPs cannot say they've been treated bad! Nish
Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework [NW] (coming soon...) Summer Love and Some more Cricket [NW] (My first novel) Shog's review of SLASMC [NW] This post was made from Trivandrum city, India on a 0.0001 KB/s net connection
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Nishant S wrote: when you have to pay 90% of your salary for 1/1000th the speed any normal US-developer gets! Well, you were living in America for a while, but you didn't like it here, either. Let's see, unhappy in India, unhappy in America, unhappy again in India, hmmm. Is there a pattern forming somewhere here? ;) Don't shoot, guys, I'm only teasing... :cool: Chistopher Duncan The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success
Christopher Duncan wrote: Is there a pattern forming somewhere here? Try connecting to the internet from India. You'll not only be able to see the pattern, you'll also be able to photograph it and distribute copies to everyone. :sigh: Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Nishant S wrote: The max speed I get is 6 KB/s and during day times I usually get 1-1.5 KB/s. In Durgapur we don't even have cable internet. :( But my dial up is better than what you have. I normally get at least 3-4 KB/s. At peak times, in the night usually, I get 6-7KB/s. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Rohit Sinha wrote: But my dial up is better than what you have. And your phone bill is no doubt higher. ;P Why don't you move to some place like Calcutta where the work is (presumably) better and you can get cable internet? Vikram.
Love like you've never been hurt. Work like you don't need the money. Dance like nobody's watching. KI klike KDE kand kuse kit, kbut KI kmust kadmit, kstarting kall knames kwith K kis ksilly. KI khope kthey kwill kgive kup kthis kwhole kscheme ksoon kand kcome kup kwith kreal knames. pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking.
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Bangalore, of course. I don't know about connection speeds in Madras/Mumbai/etc, but cable is becoming fairly common there. Mutters to himself: Just 8 more months... Vikram.
Love like you've never been hurt. Work like you don't need the money. Dance like nobody's watching. KI klike KDE kand kuse kit, kbut KI kmust kadmit, kstarting kall knames kwith K kis ksilly. KI khope kthey kwill kgive kup kthis kwhole kscheme ksoon kand kcome kup kwith kreal knames. pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking.
Ah OK, B'lore is a cool place indeed. But what I actually wanted to know was the ISP's name. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Nishant S wrote: when you have to pay 90% of your salary for 1/1000th the speed any normal US-developer gets! Well, you were living in America for a while, but you didn't like it here, either. Let's see, unhappy in India, unhappy in America, unhappy again in India, hmmm. Is there a pattern forming somewhere here? ;) Don't shoot, guys, I'm only teasing... :cool: Chistopher Duncan The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success
Christopher Duncan wrote: Well, you were living in America for a while, but you didn't like it here, either. Let's see, unhappy in India, unhappy in America, unhappy again in India, hmmm. Is there a pattern forming somewhere here? LOL :-D Trivandrum has everything I want except bandwidth, good roads and snow! CA had bandwidth and good roads, but no snow + some of the other things I wanted in life (basically my loved ones) I guess my mental temperament is such that I'll never ever be able to say, "Now I am perfectly happy". My mom always says, "he always wants something more". Seems even as a baby/kid I was never happy with my toys and somehow kept asking for more stuff. I guess some day in the distant future when I have an OC-3 line of my own, I'd ask for a dinner date with Heather Graham :sigh: Nish
Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework [NW] (coming soon...) Summer Love and Some more Cricket [NW] (My first novel) Shog's review of SLASMC [NW] This post was made from Trivandrum city, India on a 0.0001 KB/s net connection
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Christopher Duncan wrote: Is there a pattern forming somewhere here? Try connecting to the internet from India. You'll not only be able to see the pattern, you'll also be able to photograph it and distribute copies to everyone. :sigh: Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Rohit Sinha wrote: You'll not only be able to see the pattern, you'll also be able to photograph it and distribute copies to everyone. :laugh: Yeah, I don't doubt it. I was just having a little fun with Nish as he has a tendency to look on the gloomy side of things. If he ever figures out that much of being happy or sad is personal choice, can you imagine what a Supercharged Nish we'll see? :-D Chistopher Duncan The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success
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It is not so bad Nish. Web-dev existed before broadband and we did ok then too. I agree broadband is lovely, it does increase productivity (and farting about) but we get 7kbps and do a good job in web-dev. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Miszou wrote: I have read the entire internet. on how boring his day was. Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: It is not so bad Nish. I have set my CP forum settings to show me 10 posts/page! Now rethink what you said :-) Paul Watson wrote: Web-dev existed before broadband and we did ok then too. I agree broadband is lovely, it does increase productivity (and farting about) but we get 7kbps and do a good job in web-dev. Uhm yeah true. But its not just web dev I am talking about. After years of slow bandwidth harassment I've got myself into a mental frame where I do not have the will power to attempt a download of anything biggetr than 5 MB! That really sucks at times :( Nish
Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework [NW] (coming soon...) Summer Love and Some more Cricket [NW] (My first novel) Shog's review of SLASMC [NW] This post was made from Trivandrum city, India on a 0.0001 KB/s net connection
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Nishant S wrote: The max speed I get is 6 KB/s and during day times I usually get 1-1.5 KB/s. In Durgapur we don't even have cable internet. :( But my dial up is better than what you have. I normally get at least 3-4 KB/s. At peak times, in the night usually, I get 6-7KB/s. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Ques : Why are Vikram, Rohit and Nish awake well past midnight when they have to wake up early tomorrow morning? Ans : Thats the only time of day when they can load a page without falling asleep due to sheer boredom from waiting. Nish :-D
Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework [NW] (coming soon...) Summer Love and Some more Cricket [NW] (My first novel) Shog's review of SLASMC [NW] This post was made from Trivandrum city, India on a 0.0001 KB/s net connection
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Christopher Duncan wrote: Well, you were living in America for a while, but you didn't like it here, either. Let's see, unhappy in India, unhappy in America, unhappy again in India, hmmm. Is there a pattern forming somewhere here? LOL :-D Trivandrum has everything I want except bandwidth, good roads and snow! CA had bandwidth and good roads, but no snow + some of the other things I wanted in life (basically my loved ones) I guess my mental temperament is such that I'll never ever be able to say, "Now I am perfectly happy". My mom always says, "he always wants something more". Seems even as a baby/kid I was never happy with my toys and somehow kept asking for more stuff. I guess some day in the distant future when I have an OC-3 line of my own, I'd ask for a dinner date with Heather Graham :sigh: Nish
Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework [NW] (coming soon...) Summer Love and Some more Cricket [NW] (My first novel) Shog's review of SLASMC [NW] This post was made from Trivandrum city, India on a 0.0001 KB/s net connection
Nishant S wrote: I guess some day in the distant future when I have an OC-3 line of my own, I'd ask for a dinner date with Heather Graham Nothing wrong with having goals! :) Chistopher Duncan The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success
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Rohit Sinha wrote: But my dial up is better than what you have. And your phone bill is no doubt higher. ;P Why don't you move to some place like Calcutta where the work is (presumably) better and you can get cable internet? Vikram.
Love like you've never been hurt. Work like you don't need the money. Dance like nobody's watching. KI klike KDE kand kuse kit, kbut KI kmust kadmit, kstarting kall knames kwith K kis ksilly. KI khope kthey kwill kgive kup kthis kwhole kscheme ksoon kand kcome kup kwith kreal knames. pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking.
1. Kolkata is much costlier, even accounting for the fact that I have to pay high phone bills for my dial up connection here. 2. Cable internet starts sucking big time as soon as the number of subscribers increase, so it's not all that good. 3. I am not sure I'll get more work in Kolkata than here. There is far less competition here. Besides I have started getting work from outside Durgapur anyway. 4. I love it here. 5. Despite the fact that I love Durgapur, I'll probably move to Allahabad sometime next year anyway (personal reasons), so why bother moving to Kolkata now? Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Rohit Sinha wrote: You'll not only be able to see the pattern, you'll also be able to photograph it and distribute copies to everyone. :laugh: Yeah, I don't doubt it. I was just having a little fun with Nish as he has a tendency to look on the gloomy side of things. If he ever figures out that much of being happy or sad is personal choice, can you imagine what a Supercharged Nish we'll see? :-D Chistopher Duncan The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success
I'm sure Nish knows how to be happy. Just that he wants more in life. :-D Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Christopher Duncan wrote: Well, you were living in America for a while, but you didn't like it here, either. Let's see, unhappy in India, unhappy in America, unhappy again in India, hmmm. Is there a pattern forming somewhere here? LOL :-D Trivandrum has everything I want except bandwidth, good roads and snow! CA had bandwidth and good roads, but no snow + some of the other things I wanted in life (basically my loved ones) I guess my mental temperament is such that I'll never ever be able to say, "Now I am perfectly happy". My mom always says, "he always wants something more". Seems even as a baby/kid I was never happy with my toys and somehow kept asking for more stuff. I guess some day in the distant future when I have an OC-3 line of my own, I'd ask for a dinner date with Heather Graham :sigh: Nish
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Nishant S wrote: I guess my mental temperament is such that I'll never ever be able to say, "Now I am perfectly happy". Just like me. :sigh: But right now, all I want is her* to say "Yes". (I'm yet to ask, though) * my GF, not Heather Graham, in case you're wondering. Vikram.
I believe your most attractive features are your heart and soul, I believe that family is worth more than money or gold. - Affirmation, by Savage Garden. pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking.
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Ques : Why are Vikram, Rohit and Nish awake well past midnight when they have to wake up early tomorrow morning? Ans : Thats the only time of day when they can load a page without falling asleep due to sheer boredom from waiting. Nish :-D
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<> Yeah. Besides, this is the only time CP is really active. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa