Can we make a deal?
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I get nervous every time I see a "Matrix ... " subject. I don't want to spoil it as it's the last of the series, and I want to enjoy as much as possible at the cinema. So the deal is; no Matrix talk within 14 days? Or at least tag your subjects with [Matrix] or something so that I will not read anything by mistake. :) -- Hell is from here to eternity.
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I get nervous every time I see a "Matrix ... " subject. I don't want to spoil it as it's the last of the series, and I want to enjoy as much as possible at the cinema. So the deal is; no Matrix talk within 14 days? Or at least tag your subjects with [Matrix] or something so that I will not read anything by mistake. :) -- Hell is from here to eternity.
Just assume it's going to suck and have no plot to speak of, much like Matrix 2. That being said, skip it and rent both 2 and 3 when they come out on DVD so at least you can have a chance to figure out what the hell they are trying to show (other than they have "cool special effects" and can't write dialog for their life).
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com Skinning Toolkit MP3 Server for Windows And Lots More "The source, it was leaked : therefore, it must be rewritten."
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Just assume it's going to suck and have no plot to speak of, much like Matrix 2. That being said, skip it and rent both 2 and 3 when they come out on DVD so at least you can have a chance to figure out what the hell they are trying to show (other than they have "cool special effects" and can't write dialog for their life).
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com Skinning Toolkit MP3 Server for Windows And Lots More "The source, it was leaked : therefore, it must be rewritten."
"have no plot to speak of, much like Matrix 2." "other than they have "cool special effects"" now i haven't seen either 1 or 2, but from conversations with people who love the movie, they regularly make the comment, "it's not about the plot, the effects are really cool and really well done." so in essence, the matrix series are eye candy. Josef Wainz Software Developer
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I get nervous every time I see a "Matrix ... " subject. I don't want to spoil it as it's the last of the series, and I want to enjoy as much as possible at the cinema. So the deal is; no Matrix talk within 14 days? Or at least tag your subjects with [Matrix] or something so that I will not read anything by mistake. :) -- Hell is from here to eternity.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: So the deal is; no Matrix talk within 14 days? Or at least tag your subjects with [Matrix] or something so that I will not read anything by mistake. Or... you can just get old and 'unplugged' and you won't know anything about it. Paul
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"have no plot to speak of, much like Matrix 2." "other than they have "cool special effects"" now i haven't seen either 1 or 2, but from conversations with people who love the movie, they regularly make the comment, "it's not about the plot, the effects are really cool and really well done." so in essence, the matrix series are eye candy. Josef Wainz Software Developer
JoeJoeMa wrote: the matrix series are eye candy Far too true for the 2nd movie, but the first did have more philosophical ideas that were mostly lost on the general drooling public who were there just to see Neo dodge bullets. Case in point is the stupid road scene.
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com Skinning Toolkit MP3 Server for Windows And Lots More "The source, it was leaked : therefore, it must be rewritten."
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I get nervous every time I see a "Matrix ... " subject. I don't want to spoil it as it's the last of the series, and I want to enjoy as much as possible at the cinema. So the deal is; no Matrix talk within 14 days? Or at least tag your subjects with [Matrix] or something so that I will not read anything by mistake. :) -- Hell is from here to eternity.
| 1 0 0 X | | | | 0 1 0 Y | M = | | | 0 0 1 Z | | | | 0 0 0 1 |;P I want to program a matrix for Carl to live in:cool: Later, JoeSox “Dream as if you'll live forever, Live as if you'll die today" - James Dean (ISTP) www.joeswammi.com ↔ www.humanaiproject.org
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Just assume it's going to suck and have no plot to speak of, much like Matrix 2. That being said, skip it and rent both 2 and 3 when they come out on DVD so at least you can have a chance to figure out what the hell they are trying to show (other than they have "cool special effects" and can't write dialog for their life).
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com Skinning Toolkit MP3 Server for Windows And Lots More "The source, it was leaked : therefore, it must be rewritten."
The "plot" happpens in 3 acts across 3 films. But I guess in this MTV-gotta-have-it-now world that is asking a bit much of the audience to follow.:(( Best, Jerry
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little past them into the impossible.--Arthur C. Clark
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I get nervous every time I see a "Matrix ... " subject. I don't want to spoil it as it's the last of the series, and I want to enjoy as much as possible at the cinema. So the deal is; no Matrix talk within 14 days? Or at least tag your subjects with [Matrix] or something so that I will not read anything by mistake. :) -- Hell is from here to eternity.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: 14 days? :wtf: It's only 2 more days! ;P The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
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I get nervous every time I see a "Matrix ... " subject. I don't want to spoil it as it's the last of the series, and I want to enjoy as much as possible at the cinema. So the deal is; no Matrix talk within 14 days? Or at least tag your subjects with [Matrix] or something so that I will not read anything by mistake. :) -- Hell is from here to eternity.
14 days ? Is that how long you have to wait ? I'm seeing it this Thursday. And yes, I am avoiding any posts that look like they may relate as well. :0) Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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14 days ? Is that how long you have to wait ? I'm seeing it this Thursday. And yes, I am avoiding any posts that look like they may relate as well. :0) Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
I think he's referring to being considerate to those who can't, for some ungodly reason, see it opening weekend. You know, give them a couple weeks and don't ruin it. I'm sure many will see it within the weekend it comes out, despite the fact that many thought less of the 2nd one. Likes flies to the bug zapper we hand over our 50 bucks (movie passes for 2, popcorn and soda) though our previous experience said it was a bad idea. :) If a picture is worth a thousand words, the average word is worth 7 letters, and a letter is equal to about 10 pixels, how many photos could I trade in for one of those fancy flat monitors?
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I think he's referring to being considerate to those who can't, for some ungodly reason, see it opening weekend. You know, give them a couple weeks and don't ruin it. I'm sure many will see it within the weekend it comes out, despite the fact that many thought less of the 2nd one. Likes flies to the bug zapper we hand over our 50 bucks (movie passes for 2, popcorn and soda) though our previous experience said it was a bad idea. :) If a picture is worth a thousand words, the average word is worth 7 letters, and a letter is equal to about 10 pixels, how many photos could I trade in for one of those fancy flat monitors?
glitch177k wrote: Likes flies to the bug zapper we hand over our 50 bucks Nope - work paid for me to see the last one, and will pay for this one too. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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| 1 0 0 X | | | | 0 1 0 Y | M = | | | 0 0 1 Z | | | | 0 0 0 1 |;P I want to program a matrix for Carl to live in:cool: Later, JoeSox “Dream as if you'll live forever, Live as if you'll die today" - James Dean (ISTP) www.joeswammi.com ↔ www.humanaiproject.org
JoeSox wrote: I want to program a matrix for Carl to live in A menagerie by any other name. :-D Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
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| 1 0 0 X | | | | 0 1 0 Y | M = | | | 0 0 1 Z | | | | 0 0 0 1 |;P I want to program a matrix for Carl to live in:cool: Later, JoeSox “Dream as if you'll live forever, Live as if you'll die today" - James Dean (ISTP) www.joeswammi.com ↔ www.humanaiproject.org
Is that a 3D-transformation matrix? :) -- Hell is from here to eternity.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: 14 days? :wtf: It's only 2 more days! ;P The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
Atlantys wrote: It's only 2 more days! Yes, but I'm so friggin lazy, I probably won't see it until then. ;P -- Hell is from here to eternity.
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14 days ? Is that how long you have to wait ? I'm seeing it this Thursday. And yes, I am avoiding any posts that look like they may relate as well. :0) Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: 14 days ? Is that how long you have to wait ? I'm seeing it this Thursday. I know myself. I'm lazy :-D I will try to see it asap, but I'm known to procrastinate tasks which my survival doesn't depend on. :) -- Hell is from here to eternity.
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glitch177k wrote: Likes flies to the bug zapper we hand over our 50 bucks Nope - work paid for me to see the last one, and will pay for this one too. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: work paid for me to see the last one, and will pay for this one too Are any job positions open for me? ;P ;P The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
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Atlantys wrote: It's only 2 more days! Yes, but I'm so friggin lazy, I probably won't see it until then. ;P -- Hell is from here to eternity.
:mumble: slacker :mumble: Yeah, me too.. I'll go see it this weekend, cause, you know, no-one else is going to be doing that. ;P The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
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I get nervous every time I see a "Matrix ... " subject. I don't want to spoil it as it's the last of the series, and I want to enjoy as much as possible at the cinema. So the deal is; no Matrix talk within 14 days? Or at least tag your subjects with [Matrix] or something so that I will not read anything by mistake. :) -- Hell is from here to eternity.
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JoeJoeMa wrote: the matrix series are eye candy Far too true for the 2nd movie, but the first did have more philosophical ideas that were mostly lost on the general drooling public who were there just to see Neo dodge bullets. Case in point is the stupid road scene.
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com Skinning Toolkit MP3 Server for Windows And Lots More "The source, it was leaked : therefore, it must be rewritten."
Aah, the first one sucks too. The whole friggin' world is based on the notion that you can get something for nothing, in the thermodynamic sense. I mean, you've got all these machines keeping people alive, feeding them slurry made from the dead bodies of other people. This is a reductionary system. Not only that, but does anyone know the incredible waste in turning that slurry into heat using a human body? My estimate is that about two to three percent of the energy in the slurry gets output as heat, and then even more is taken off the top in turning it back into electricity, even allowing for future advancements in superconductor tech, etc. Not only that, but they pan back and forth, showing you the untold billions of pods housing the whole planet's people. Any idea of the power outlay to make and manage all of that? All that expense to get a few megawatts out of those self-consuming bodies. Now, here's the kicker: no reason's ever given for the humans being left with their mental capacity. I mean, these super-smart machines don't need the people to do their processing, obviously; most of them seem to be caught up in meaningless bureaucratic jobs, pushing papers and the like. Even allowing for hard problems being parallelized and transposed into a symbolic form for the people to process as if they were just totalling up spreadsheets, the fact remains: no processing is done by an average person in totalling up a spreadsheet that can be transposed into a solution of a hard problem. No, these jobs are just to keep the schmucks busy. And why, when the machines could just pith the whole bunch? Does that sound like cold, hard machine logic? The mindless bodies would be just as good at producing heat. And don't even start saying, any of you, that you think the hogwash spouted by the old dude in the second movie makes sense. I asked a lot of awestruck people as they were leaving the theater what all that bullcrap meant, and everybody said things like, "Er, well, ya know... um. Ya know." Regards, Jeff Varszegi
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Aah, the first one sucks too. The whole friggin' world is based on the notion that you can get something for nothing, in the thermodynamic sense. I mean, you've got all these machines keeping people alive, feeding them slurry made from the dead bodies of other people. This is a reductionary system. Not only that, but does anyone know the incredible waste in turning that slurry into heat using a human body? My estimate is that about two to three percent of the energy in the slurry gets output as heat, and then even more is taken off the top in turning it back into electricity, even allowing for future advancements in superconductor tech, etc. Not only that, but they pan back and forth, showing you the untold billions of pods housing the whole planet's people. Any idea of the power outlay to make and manage all of that? All that expense to get a few megawatts out of those self-consuming bodies. Now, here's the kicker: no reason's ever given for the humans being left with their mental capacity. I mean, these super-smart machines don't need the people to do their processing, obviously; most of them seem to be caught up in meaningless bureaucratic jobs, pushing papers and the like. Even allowing for hard problems being parallelized and transposed into a symbolic form for the people to process as if they were just totalling up spreadsheets, the fact remains: no processing is done by an average person in totalling up a spreadsheet that can be transposed into a solution of a hard problem. No, these jobs are just to keep the schmucks busy. And why, when the machines could just pith the whole bunch? Does that sound like cold, hard machine logic? The mindless bodies would be just as good at producing heat. And don't even start saying, any of you, that you think the hogwash spouted by the old dude in the second movie makes sense. I asked a lot of awestruck people as they were leaving the theater what all that bullcrap meant, and everybody said things like, "Er, well, ya know... um. Ya know." Regards, Jeff Varszegi
Hmm, you sound like you belong with this fun-loving group of people: Movie Physics I can suspend disbelief with the best of them, but any movie I go to see should have a coherent plot that works within the boundaries of the movie itself. Matrix 1 had this, Matrix 2 did not. If we're going to compare sequels that were differnt from 1 to 2, then Alien and Aleins is a fine example of two very different movies set within the same realm, with each standing alone.
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com Skinning Toolkit MP3 Server for Windows And Lots More "The source, it was leaked : therefore, it must be rewritten."