Is ISRAEL the problem?
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I am no friend of Israel. I think the dumbest thing the world community ever did was to create a Jewish state in the Middle east. However, I also realise that if the Islamic community wished to resolve the "problem" of Israel they could do so easily and peacefully by simply following the lessons of Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Mohammed himself or others. The sad truth is that the leadership of the Islamic world needs Israel to keep their minions in a constant state of agitation and anger so that they can more easily persuade gullible young men to act as cheap weapon systems. "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.
I am no friend of Israel. I think the dumbest thing the world community ever did was to create a Jewish state in the Middle east. No No don't say world community - the enslaved Africans, Asians had nothing to do with it. Half the problems in the world can be traced to one nation - Britain. But the point is , we can no longer change the past. We should accept & move forward.
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I am no friend of Israel. I think the dumbest thing the world community ever did was to create a Jewish state in the Middle east. No No don't say world community - the enslaved Africans, Asians had nothing to do with it. Half the problems in the world can be traced to one nation - Britain. But the point is , we can no longer change the past. We should accept & move forward.
the enslaved Africans WTF? Why even bring that into this conversation? And if you consider that lovely Africa is probably the most war ravaged continent, by its OWN people, on Earth then they have no right to moan about the rest of the world. Half the problems in the world can be traced to one nation - Britain Should we then also blame the ancestors of all the worlds people (Africans) for all our troubles? But the point is , we can no longer change the past. We should accept & move forward Unfortunatley the very problem between Israel and Palestine IS the past. Your point is good and if everyone thought properly before acting they would abide by it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
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At the risk of raising a few hackles , I think that the way in which the UN set up Isreal is to blame. To not have had the foresight to realise that the way that was set up would cause resentment was very niave. If the problems we are seeing today were addressed when Isreal was created , then I think there would be a lot less tension in the area. But here ? now ? I don't have the answer . How about depopulating the areas around the holy sites and letting all people come and go freely under the control of a mulitireligion UN force , but not letting anyone reside within , say, 1km ? But Isreals right to existence should not be under any doubt .
You are right but just where else could the Israelis have fled to? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
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I am no friend of Israel. I think the dumbest thing the world community ever did was to create a Jewish state in the Middle east. However, I also realise that if the Islamic community wished to resolve the "problem" of Israel they could do so easily and peacefully by simply following the lessons of Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Mohammed himself or others. The sad truth is that the leadership of the Islamic world needs Israel to keep their minions in a constant state of agitation and anger so that they can more easily persuade gullible young men to act as cheap weapon systems. "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.
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Ah Ireland, the safest place in the world to be Jewish :-) Michael :-)
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I am no friend of Israel. I think the dumbest thing the world community ever did was to create a Jewish state in the Middle east. No No don't say world community - the enslaved Africans, Asians had nothing to do with it. Half the problems in the world can be traced to one nation - Britain. But the point is , we can no longer change the past. We should accept & move forward.
Half the problems in the world can be traced to one nation - Britain. And for another $200 can you tell me the real reason this is true? (insert game show music here) No answer? Ah, too bad. That answer is, "it comes with the territory". The truth is practically all problems can be traced to the superpowers of the earth. France, Germany, Russian, England, Spain, USA, Japan, China, etc. It doesn't prove anything. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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Hi, I can hear more and more pepole say that we(ISRAEL) are the problem..is that so? as a young man who fought in lebanon 3 years ago in order to save life of our citizens which was targeted on a daily basis by the islamic groups,not to mention the loss(correct word?) of many of my young friends i found this very hard to hear. http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/islam/vs\_israel.html for those who asked about osama bin laden: here is a site which contains news about global terror including a lot of information about osama bin laden http://www.debka.com Note:The site is run by an israeli reporter,i am not working for this site,rather i am a selective reader...:suss: sorry for the english...
IMHO: Israel (as such) is not the problem. Palastinians/Muslims (as such) are not the problem. The problem is that both the Israeli people and the Islamic people both have a religious/historical perception that they must occupy the same exact pieces of land as the other. Coupled with the fact that many of them feel that the other being there is blasphemous. This my friends is a recipe for disaster. - begin humor alert - My suggestion would be to move Isreal out of the middle east permanently. Maybe give them a piece of land that nobody really cares about... like Indiana or Wisconsin. :rolleyes: - end humor alert - Mike Mullikin "Real programmers don't document their code. It was hard to write - it should be hard to read!"
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I think we have enough problems with two communties on this Island. Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire"
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You are right but just where else could the Israelis have fled to? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
It a big, big world ... Why was the Palistein choosen ? Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire"
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It a big, big world ... Why was the Palistein choosen ? Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire"
It may have something to do with the fact that the area is holy land to Israeli's :) It a big, big world ... Yes, but what part of it is not occupied already. Or what part IS occupied in which its people would be willing to move out, for other people? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
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It may have something to do with the fact that the area is holy land to Israeli's :) It a big, big world ... Yes, but what part of it is not occupied already. Or what part IS occupied in which its people would be willing to move out, for other people? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
It may have something to do with the fact that the area is holy land to Israeli's The choice of the Holy Land, was not simply to provide a safe haven for Jews fleeing the Nazi Holocast, it was more calculated than that. It was to retake the Holy Land for the Jewish peoples. Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire"
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It may have something to do with the fact that the area is holy land to Israeli's The choice of the Holy Land, was not simply to provide a safe haven for Jews fleeing the Nazi Holocast, it was more calculated than that. It was to retake the Holy Land for the Jewish peoples. Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire"
You make a very good point, I had never thought of it that way. However, ;), where else could they have gone and where else can they go in this day and age? What does "Je Suis Mort De Rire" mean btw? I assume it is French and has something to do with Death (Mort?) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes "Give me something better than Windows and I will use it, till then leave me be. Give me soemthing better than Science and I will believe it, till then leave me be." err, me
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I can understand where they are coming from... If I ever submitted C++ code to CP I would be apologising profusely for my "bad C++" :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
Hmm - now I'm curious. Has anyone actually seen any of Paul's code? cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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Hmm - now I'm curious. Has anyone actually seen any of Paul's code? cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
Ack nooo! Now I must start running again, pack my bags and leave these verdant hills of splendour *sob* I shall miss you CP.... Yes it is true, though I have never concealed the truth, I am no C++ whizz. In fact I did a hello world programme in C++ once and then went right back to VB (yes I am an heretic VB programmer). Then again apart from dabbling in .NET and lots of ASP/HTML/JavaScript/VBScript I do not do much programming at all. I analyse, plan, project manage and quality check (yes I am also a detestable manager type). So can I still keep my CP membership? :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes "Give me something better than Windows and I will use it, till then leave me be. Give me soemthing better than Science and I will believe it, till then leave me be." err, me
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Ack nooo! Now I must start running again, pack my bags and leave these verdant hills of splendour *sob* I shall miss you CP.... Yes it is true, though I have never concealed the truth, I am no C++ whizz. In fact I did a hello world programme in C++ once and then went right back to VB (yes I am an heretic VB programmer). Then again apart from dabbling in .NET and lots of ASP/HTML/JavaScript/VBScript I do not do much programming at all. I analyse, plan, project manage and quality check (yes I am also a detestable manager type). So can I still keep my CP membership? :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes "Give me something better than Windows and I will use it, till then leave me be. Give me soemthing better than Science and I will believe it, till then leave me be." err, me
Y'know, if I hadn't just spent 2 years of my life becoming the worlds worst ASP/HTML/JavaScript/VBScript developer I'd be hauling your sorry self out the door. ;P You going to ditch ASP and go ASP.NET? cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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Y'know, if I hadn't just spent 2 years of my life becoming the worlds worst ASP/HTML/JavaScript/VBScript developer I'd be hauling your sorry self out the door. ;P You going to ditch ASP and go ASP.NET? cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
The worlds worst ASP developer??? HA! As someone who writes in C++, Visual Basic, and ASP and its associated technologies, I can tell you that I've seen some pretty nasty looking code in all of these areas. The CodeProject site is extremely well put together, so I don't think you have to worry too much about your ASP coding. :) Jamie Nordmeyer Portland, Oregon, USA
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You make a very good point, I had never thought of it that way. However, ;), where else could they have gone and where else can they go in this day and age? What does "Je Suis Mort De Rire" mean btw? I assume it is French and has something to do with Death (Mort?) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes "Give me something better than Windows and I will use it, till then leave me be. Give me soemthing better than Science and I will believe it, till then leave me be." err, me
However, where else could they have gone and where else can they go in this day and age? Thats a very good question. They where hell bent of creating a Jewish Nation. I can understand why, they wanted a place where all Jews would feel safe etc, and to give the Jewish Faith a centre, it had never before. It would have to proximity to Europe. So European Jews could access it easily, and so the new state could benefit for European Trade and defence. The native local population would have to be a push over (not able to argue with being kicked off their land). It doesn't leave alot of options ... What does "Je Suis Mort De Rire" mean btw? I assume it is French and has something to do with Death (Mort?) "I have died with laughter" ... its tough to translate it proparily, it french macarbe humour. Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire"
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It may have something to do with the fact that the area is holy land to Israeli's The choice of the Holy Land, was not simply to provide a safe haven for Jews fleeing the Nazi Holocast, it was more calculated than that. It was to retake the Holy Land for the Jewish peoples. Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire"
It may have something to do with the fact that the area is holy land to Israeli's The choice of the Holy Land, was not simply to provide a safe haven for Jews fleeing the Nazi Holocast, it was more calculated than that. It was to retake the Holy Land for the Jewish peoples. Regards -------------- Linking the Holocast to Israel is too simplistic. Britain promised Israel to the Jews already during WWI, very long time before the Holocast. Interesting fact that Britain suggested Uganda in Africa for the Jews. The Jews refused, after all, it would require rewriting dozens of daily prayers written for Israel and Jerusalem :) Anyway Britain withdraw the proposal after short time. Sure, Britain agreed to Jewish requests for Israel not because they loved the Jews. It was more the strategic position of Israel geographicly, and the fact Britain didn't trust Arabs to fulfill its interests in the region. But there is no reason to blame Israel for choices it didn't take.
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Hi, I can hear more and more pepole say that we(ISRAEL) are the problem..is that so? as a young man who fought in lebanon 3 years ago in order to save life of our citizens which was targeted on a daily basis by the islamic groups,not to mention the loss(correct word?) of many of my young friends i found this very hard to hear. http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/islam/vs\_israel.html for those who asked about osama bin laden: here is a site which contains news about global terror including a lot of information about osama bin laden http://www.debka.com Note:The site is run by an israeli reporter,i am not working for this site,rather i am a selective reader...:suss: sorry for the english...
Israel's moral failings are so small next to those of the terrorists (Palestinian and Al Quaeda), that Arab attempts to blame Israel for the whole mess are absurd. That said, there are some issues which should be addressed by reasonable people: Ariel Sharon, was found personally responsible by an official Israeli investigation for the murder of 800 Palestinian civilian men, women, and children in 1982. Yet Israel elected him Prime Minister in February. The 800 Palestinian civilians (including women and children) murdered in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982 were not terrorists. Israeli troops did not do the killing, but they did both send the killers (Lebanese Christian terrorists) into the camps and then surrounded the perimeter of the camps for three days while the killings were carried out, to prevent the refugees from escaping. According to one of the Christian terrorists, "What shocked me was not the dead women and children, but the severed limbs and heads — the grotesqueness of it," he says. "Yes, I killed there. I was a soldier, and I obeyed orders." Mardini stands ready to fight again should the war recommence. "After 15 years," he admits, "it became normal to see people die." According to Israel's own official investigation, led by Yitzhak Kahan, "After the Phalangists had left the camps, Red Cross personnel, many journalists and other persons entered them, and it then became apparent that in the camps, and particularly in Shatilla, civilians - including women and children -had been massacred. It was clear from the spectacle that presented itself that a considerable number of the killed had not been cut down in combat but had been murdered, and that no few acts of barbarism had also been perpetrated." It is absurd to accuse Ariel Sharon (as many Arabs do) of having deliberately masterminded the Sabra and Shatila massacres, but there is a military tradition of holding the commanding officer responsible for the conduct of his men, and Sharon was the defence minister. Israel's official investigation into the massacre concluded, "We have found, as has been detailed in this report, that the Minister of Defense bears personal responsibility. In our opinion, it is fitting that the Minister of Defense draw the appropriate personal conclusions arising out of the defects revealed with regard to the manner in which he discharged the duties of his office - and if necessary, that the Prime Minister consider whether he should exercise his authority under Section 21-A(a) of the Basi
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Y'know, if I hadn't just spent 2 years of my life becoming the worlds worst ASP/HTML/JavaScript/VBScript developer I'd be hauling your sorry self out the door. ;P You going to ditch ASP and go ASP.NET? cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
You going to ditch ASP and go ASP.NET? Well in the current economic climate people are not exactly very keen on having to install new .NET servers so in production environments ASP.NET is going to have a tough struggle. Internally we are gearing up to do some serious evaluations of ASP.NET in the quiter November/December period. I dabbled with it a few days ago and at first was a bit lost, then I realised it was a lot like the ideas that VB6 had with the whole web thing (can't remember what they called it in VB6 though). Once that clicked I was very, nay VERY, happy to find I had the full resources of VB (oooohhhh ;) ) to use in web-apps, not too mention C# (which I like!). So to answer your question, finally, the answer is no, not yet. We have far too much ASP floating around as well as far too many servers only capable of running "normal" ASP to switch to ASP.NET just yet. On second thought though we are pitching for a project which involves an intranet and with that we will be pushing ASP.NET. Intranet projects are great in that you can get the servers to be upgraded without too much hassle, also you only have to code for IE which is a blessing like no other :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes "Give me something better than Windows and I will use it, till then leave me be. Give me soemthing better than Science and I will believe it, till then leave me be." err, me