Europe's view of world threats
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Mike Gaskey wrote: the population of several southern states (Florida, Arizona, Nevada) While Florida may qualify, Arizona and Nevada are not generally included in the term South when referring to the various regions of the US. Most of the population here is comprised of Californians who are sick of the police state the PRC has become, and natives who have never had any interest in anything that police state has to offer. Sadly, some of the same morons who destroyed the once great state of CA are also migrating here, and are trying to destroy AZ and NV with their paternalistic ideas about how a government should run. Apparently you can't teach an old idiot new tricks any easier than you can an old dog. While I don't see any indication that those in the Southwest have any lower IQs than anywhere else, the schools are terrible. Having little industry other than gambling the schools are impoverished, as is most of the population, and even the teachers are illiterate. Fortunately, ignorance can be cured given time and resources, and we're working on that.:-D "Your village called -
They're missing their idiot."Roger Wright wrote: the schools are terrible. I think we as a nation have that problem. Too much effort trying to be fair to all, resulting in standardizing on the worst. The Texas standardization testing has only lead to the teachers spending most of their time teaching test taking and only occasionally teaching. This has lead to many good teachers leaving and those happy with it staying. Sorry but the rich kids do get more favors, live with it and lets get back to education, That part does not cost that much! "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
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EU embarrassed as poll labels Israel world's biggest threat Bit odd that though. How is Israel a threat to the world? Any Europeans care to comment? p.s. For those of you who are about to once again inform us that you don't give a rats arse about Europe, sod off. We already know. Give it up already. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: EU embarrassed as poll labels Israel world's biggest threat Bit odd that though. How is Israel a threat to the world? Any Europeans care to comment? [Disclaimer: I am not a European] I don't know the exact wording of the question, but being a threat to "world peace" doesn't necessarily require that a country be a threat to the world. Any regional conflict is presumably inconsistent with world peace. Israel has been involved in four wars since its founding --- in 1956, 1967, 1973 and 1982. It maintains a policy of political assassination and periodically launches military incursions into foreign territory. Israel is engaged in an ongoing conflict with the Palestinians that, in and of itself, is inconsistent with world peace. Some of the Israeli actions in these matters may have been justified but I don't think it is great stretch to regard Israel as a threat to Middle East peace and hence to world peace, nor is it obvious that any other single Middle East country (Iran, Egypt, Lebanon...) is a greater threat. Israel is actually not likely to provoke any fully-fledged wars these days because it is so militarily dominant over its neighbours that they will decline to react to low-level military incursions (witness Syria's recent non-response to an Israeli military incursion) and because Israel's territorial ambitions appear to be limited. Israel is primarily relevant because of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the way that conflict influences political attitudes among Arabs, Muslims and Americans. As far as a threat to world peace goes, I would have given my top vote to the US. John Carson
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I'm not a european, but I had seen this the other day. I wasn't quite sure how to interprete it. It's true that the entire Arab world could go ballistic if Israel does something dumb. But, when europeans say, "the Jewish state the biggest threat to world peace", it does not necessarily mean, "they have put the Jewish state below the level of the worst pariah state and terror organizations" - as the Israeli embassy in Brussels put it. In this article, the US was also named as a threat to world peace. Does this mean that europeans think Israel and the US are the worst nations in the world? Actually, no. Being "a threat to world peace" involves a whole bunch of factors. One of them is power. Most nations in the world are simply too weak to be any threat to world peace. If most nations suddenly decided to invade their neighbors, the world would be against them and they would quickly find themselves on the losing end of a war. It's a little bit like having 5 people in a canoe and asking, "Who is the greatest threat to turning the canoe over?" You have a young 50 pound kid in the canoe who throws temper tantrums. You also have a 300 pound man in the canoe. Even though the child is far more likely to stand up and try to flip the canoe, he simply doesn't have enough weight to do it. Essentially, nothing he does can threaten to overturn the canoe. The 300 pound man, on the other hand, might flip the canoe on accident. Who is the greatest threat to turning over the canoe? The 300 pound man. Israel is in an unusual position because Arabs watch it closely and it's actions can spark a war in the Middle East. On the other hand, Saddam can kill hundreds of thousands of Kurds in Iraq and there's no chance of sparking a large Middle-Eastern war because, quite frankly, Arabs care about oppression of the Palestinians by Jews a whole lot more than oppression of the Kurds by Saddam. If the Arabs suddenly decided that they really, really cared about the Kurds in the late 1980s/early 1990s, then the Ansfal campaign would've ignited the Arab world into a firestorm of war - and, therefore, Saddam Hussein would've been a threat to Middle-Eastern peace (though, maybe not world peace since the fighting would've been confined to the Middle East). If Israel did an Ansfal campaign on the Palestinians, it would erupt into big, big problems. For those reasons (and probably several others), it is incorrect to translate "the Jewish state the biggest threat to world peace", into "they have put the Jewish state below the lev
I also agree with your analysis. The Israelis are reading the survey the wrong way. In some respects it is beneficial to Israel, that Europeans are noticing them. But any nation that has real or suspected Nukes||MWDs is a real threat to world peace. Regardz Colin J Davies
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I also agree with your analysis. The Israelis are reading the survey the wrong way. In some respects it is beneficial to Israel, that Europeans are noticing them. But any nation that has real or suspected Nukes||MWDs is a real threat to world peace. Regardz Colin J Davies
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ColinDavies wrote: But any nation that has real or suspected Nukes||MWDs is a real threat to world peace. Agreed, and that includes any shipping container filled with the right chemicals. So who isn't :sigh: "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
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EU embarrassed as poll labels Israel world's biggest threat Bit odd that though. How is Israel a threat to the world? Any Europeans care to comment? p.s. For those of you who are about to once again inform us that you don't give a rats arse about Europe, sod off. We already know. Give it up already. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: For those of you who are about to once again inform us that you don't give a rats arse about Europe, sod off What's a "Europe"?????
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Paul Watson wrote: gung ho Texans Just to set the record straight: 1) the gung ho Texan is leading a nation that is at war - middle America undestands that and care little about what the ignorant sods of Europe think. 2) the south is far from ignorant. Point in fact, the population of several southern states (Florida, Arizona, Nevada) include a significant proportion of wealthy retirees who find the northern welfare states (read as: high tax rates on anyone willing to actually work) a poor retirement choice 3) the south includes blacks who are returning for various reasons; 4) the south includes a significant population of illegals that prefer our south to their north; 5) the south includes a healthy economy based on technology, finance, farming and energy; 6) the south includes the fastest growing population areas of the country. I haven't of course been able to compare average IQ levels of Southerners to Europeans nor have I been able to determine actual knowledge levels of Southerners as compared to Europeans, so I really couldn't say which is the more ignorant. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." by: JAMES TRAUB New York Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
Mike Gaskey wrote: Just to set the record straight: It is funny that all of your points indicate that the only reason the south is so nifty is because people from outside the south are moving there.
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Felix Gartsman wrote: And yet makes me laugh every time... Shame on me, I didn't recognize it as a joke. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." by: JAMES TRAUB New York Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
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Paul Watson wrote: Bit odd that though. How is Israel a threat to the world? Any Europeans care to comment? My plot for the end of the world. Israel and Arab states keep fighting Arabs start to win Israel deploys nukes Arabs obtain nukes from former soviet union *BANG* America retaliates against Arabs (miss the target and hit Pakistan) Pakistan thinks it was the Indians behind it and launch their own attack French retaliate against America Brits retaliate against France China sees opportunity, invades everywhere Russians uses Nukes on China China nukes Russia End of the world as we know it There, I think I've managed to insult everybody's intelligence - after all we humans aren't really a savage race who tend to over-react in moments of crisis. ;-) Michael 'Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority.' - The Doctor: The Wheel in Space
Michael P Butler wrote: America retaliates against Arabs (miss the target and hit Pakistan) We would never miss.
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a) Noone asked me b) I guess the main take is that Israels agressive behavior is a major roadblock to bringing some stability into the middle east. My personal take is that there's no use in blaming opne player, but that I tend to be more angry at Israelian politics than the arab one. Another factor is that, while you can label the Israeli side easily on a (single) country, this doesn't work that easy for the arab position. Especially for germany - yes there is some hypocrisy, but one not easily resolved. Auschwitz is a touchy subject, no matter how you treat it, but the semi-official position of "critisizing Israel is antisemitism" only helps breeding a latent, unbased antisemitism. Public figures of the Jewish establishment jumping up shouting "But his Grandpa gassed my Grandpa" at every itch they dislike don't help either. And it must not be forgotten that there is some ... animosity towards jews deeply rooted in European history and culture that dates back long before 3rd Reich, and Europeans, being strongly culture-aware, don't get rid of this within one generation.
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mlog || Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: ) I guess the main take is that Israels agressive behavior is a major roadblock to bringing some stability into the middle east. yeah, the Israelis should allow the savages to just murder their women and children with impunity. Isn't it funny how the Israelis are ready to trade 400 shithead criminal-terrorists for just 1 Israeli citizen? I guess even Hezbollah knows how much their "people" are worth..........
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Mike Gaskey wrote: Just to set the record straight: It is funny that all of your points indicate that the only reason the south is so nifty is because people from outside the south are moving there.
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: It is funny that all of your points indicate that the only reason the south is so nifty is because people from outside the south are moving there. Damn. Two for two I have to agree with you. What's the world coming to????? I did a stint in Dallas from 79 to 85. While they could call us Yankee and make it sound like a four letter word, it was the "Yankee" influx that represented "progress". At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
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Paul Watson wrote: It is a pity that the vocal minority are cast as the majority when seen from the outside. YUP. For anyone. Paul Watson wrote: with gung ho Texans Are you talking about a guy from Connecticut who now likes to wear boots? Most of us gung ho Texans are pretty decent folks. :) Paul Watson wrote: ingorant Southerners Did you mean ignorant?:cool: If so that is only a few small counties back east. "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Did you mean ignorant? From my stint in Dallas, they LOVE to make you think they're ignorant. Then they snap the trap in that same southern drawl... At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
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Paul Watson wrote: Bit odd that though. How is Israel a threat to the world? Any Europeans care to comment? My plot for the end of the world. Israel and Arab states keep fighting Arabs start to win Israel deploys nukes Arabs obtain nukes from former soviet union *BANG* America retaliates against Arabs (miss the target and hit Pakistan) Pakistan thinks it was the Indians behind it and launch their own attack French retaliate against America Brits retaliate against France China sees opportunity, invades everywhere Russians uses Nukes on China China nukes Russia End of the world as we know it There, I think I've managed to insult everybody's intelligence - after all we humans aren't really a savage race who tend to over-react in moments of crisis. ;-) Michael 'Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority.' - The Doctor: The Wheel in Space
Michael P Butler wrote: America retaliates against Arabs (miss the target and hit Pakistan) Miss by what margin??? And what's the difference? Michael P Butler wrote: There, I think I've managed to insult everybody's intelligence - after all we humans aren't really a savage race who tend to over-react in moments of crisis. We aren't? Since when? :wtf: At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
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Paul Watson wrote: ingorant Southerners Would that include your friend from Tennessee?
Hell yeah. She is going on some cruise next year around the world. She asked me if they spoke Chinese or Japanese in Mombasa as she is visiting it. Mombasa is in Kenya, which is in Africa. She is a sweet person but knows very little of the world outside of the States. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Paul Watson wrote: gung ho Texans and ingorant Southerners I expected better from you Paul. :| All I've ever wanted was an honest week's pay for an honest day's work.
It was part of the stereotype we are highlighting, Mike. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Paul Watson wrote: It is a pity that the vocal minority are cast as the majority when seen from the outside. YUP. For anyone. Paul Watson wrote: with gung ho Texans Are you talking about a guy from Connecticut who now likes to wear boots? Most of us gung ho Texans are pretty decent folks. :) Paul Watson wrote: ingorant Southerners Did you mean ignorant?:cool: If so that is only a few small counties back east. "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
>Most of us gung ho Texans are pretty decent folks I have no doubt of that. Unfortuanately you are not portrayed that way to the outside world. You guys need to sue Walker Texas Ranger and other Texan representatives. ;) >Did you mean ignorant Heh, yes. Ignorant me. :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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EU embarrassed as poll labels Israel world's biggest threat Bit odd that though. How is Israel a threat to the world? Any Europeans care to comment? p.s. For those of you who are about to once again inform us that you don't give a rats arse about Europe, sod off. We already know. Give it up already. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
I'm not surprized by the result of this poll. * The conflict in the holy land is the nearest of Europe, and the most covered by the media. * Having important jewish and muslim communities, the conflict has a particular resonance in many european countries, causing important side effects in national communities. * Aren't you convinced the situation in the Near East is a powder barrel whose explosion could have terrific implications all around the World? * I don't think the Europeans believe the threaths coming from NK and the ones coming from Israel or the US are similar, nonetheless there are all threats to World stability and Peace. * WTF should any critics towards Israel policy be automatically labelled as anti-semitic? Is Israel untouchable, having the right to conquer and dominate over foreign lands because 6 millions were exterminated by Nazis during WW2? Why should the Palestinians pay the price for atrocities committed by europeans?
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>Most of us gung ho Texans are pretty decent folks I have no doubt of that. Unfortuanately you are not portrayed that way to the outside world. You guys need to sue Walker Texas Ranger and other Texan representatives. ;) >Did you mean ignorant Heh, yes. Ignorant me. :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: You guys need to sue Walker Texas Ranger and other Texan representatives. The old facts vs Hollywood problem. Must be that liberal media. :rolleyes: Chuck Norris Biographical Information Birthday: March 10, 1940 Birth Place: Ryan, Oklahoma, USA Birth Name: Carlos Ray Norris "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
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I'm not surprized by the result of this poll. * The conflict in the holy land is the nearest of Europe, and the most covered by the media. * Having important jewish and muslim communities, the conflict has a particular resonance in many european countries, causing important side effects in national communities. * Aren't you convinced the situation in the Near East is a powder barrel whose explosion could have terrific implications all around the World? * I don't think the Europeans believe the threaths coming from NK and the ones coming from Israel or the US are similar, nonetheless there are all threats to World stability and Peace. * WTF should any critics towards Israel policy be automatically labelled as anti-semitic? Is Israel untouchable, having the right to conquer and dominate over foreign lands because 6 millions were exterminated by Nazis during WW2? Why should the Palestinians pay the price for atrocities committed by europeans?
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KaЯl wrote: Why should the Palestinians pay the price for atrocities committed by europeans? Because it is easier to blame the other guy. X| "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Jews and Christians are not the only two ethnic groups that's been fighting in Europe the last thousand years. Just so I'm sure you really understand: 1. Christianity is not an ethenticity; 2. Jews and Christians were not fighting, Europe was conducting progroms; 3. Protestants versus Catholics, if I am not mistaken, is more on the order of indigenous people fighting versus invaders although I believe they've all forgotten that part. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: The 3rd Reich-thing could've happened anywhere. Bullshit. Plain and simple, bullshit. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." by: JAMES TRAUB New York Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
Mike Gaskey wrote: Christianity is not an ethenticity Many national communities define themselves through Christianity, so being christian is for some a distinction of ethnicity. Mike Gaskey wrote: Jews and Christians were not fighting, Europe was conducting progroms; Opposite examples can be found in History. They are of course much fewer but exist nonetheless. Mike Gaskey wrote: if I am not mistaken, is more on the order of indigenous people fighting versus invaders You're mistaken. Mike Gaskey wrote: Bullshit. Plain and simple, bullshit. Why not? After all, The US also committed a genocide exterminating the native population, enslaved millions of men, women and children for decades, and continue to segregate amongst the different components of its population. Is that much better?
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