Religous signs
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Well, it is futile. Religious clothing does nothing but providing friction and intolerance. It sets you apart from the other guy without even having to talk to him. Stereotypes breed intolerance. When you see a guy with a turban, don't you automatically think "there's a guy who probably hates the USA"? Chances are that he does, but also that he doesn't. But that doesn't matter, because you've already judged him (consciously or not) using the stereotype defined by your culture. Take away the clothing in school, and the kids will get to know eachother on a personal basis, and not by their cultural heritage. Sure, the kids will find out about eachothers cultural heritage in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other culture. -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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I never heard about a beer brand asking to persecute non drinkers, or drinkers of another brand :) Roger Wright wrote: Chirac is, in this instance, clearly attempting to stomp on the Islamic faith and is extending the ban to all religious symbols to cover it up This is not only Chirac. There's quiet a consensus on the question from the left to the right wing. Roger Wright wrote: why do you put up with him To be honest, I voted for him once, for the last presidential election. But at this time we had the choice between him (a man I consider as a demagogic blunderer) and a neo-fascist, racist, anti-semit candidate. It was a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils, for me not voting being not an option.
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Karl wrote: I never heard about a beer brand asking to persecute non drinkers, or drinkers of another brand You people don't take your beer very seriously, do you... :suss:
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Exactly! 5. [edit], as for Mike. [/edit]
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
I can't believe Mike and I are agreeing on something. :-D -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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Karl wrote: I never heard about a beer brand asking to persecute non drinkers, or drinkers of another brand You people don't take your beer very seriously, do you... :suss:
Shog9 ---
You'd better turn back, before the frost sets in. These desert nights are for weathered men, The ones who've already given in...
Having already spit tasted budweiser and michelob, I would say the US doesn't take beer seriously either :rolleyes:
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
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I can't believe Mike and I are agreeing on something. :-D -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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I'm so happy to bring people closer :-D
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
:laugh: -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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I can't believe Mike and I are agreeing on something. :-D -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I can't believe Mike and I are agreeing on something. Jörgen, I'm deeply hurt! :(( I've always respected your opinions immensely and I am damn proud to be on the same side of any issue with you. :love: :rose:
Psssst. Do ya think he bought it?
All I've ever wanted was an honest week's pay for an honest day's work.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I can't believe Mike and I are agreeing on something. Jörgen, I'm deeply hurt! :(( I've always respected your opinions immensely and I am damn proud to be on the same side of any issue with you. :love: :rose:
Psssst. Do ya think he bought it?
All I've ever wanted was an honest week's pay for an honest day's work.
I don't know.. but we could always start a new flaming thread on the soap box, where we could pretend we agree - or even better - switch sides! I could embrace the mad man Bush, and you the creeping terror in EU a.k.a socialism. :-D -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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Well, it is futile. Religious clothing does nothing but providing friction and intolerance. It sets you apart from the other guy without even having to talk to him. Stereotypes breed intolerance. When you see a guy with a turban, don't you automatically think "there's a guy who probably hates the USA"? Chances are that he does, but also that he doesn't. But that doesn't matter, because you've already judged him (consciously or not) using the stereotype defined by your culture. Take away the clothing in school, and the kids will get to know eachother on a personal basis, and not by their cultural heritage. Sure, the kids will find out about eachothers cultural heritage in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other culture. -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: When you see a guy with a turban, don't you automatically think "there's a guy who probably hates the USA"? No, I don't - never have, in fact. I might wonder if perhaps he's having a really bad hair day, or assume that he is respecting the traditions of his culture and beliefs. I even admire him for not being cowed by fear of rejection because he stands out in a land where such a sight is relatively rare. "Your village called -
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I don't know.. but we could always start a new flaming thread on the soap box, where we could pretend we agree - or even better - switch sides! I could embrace the mad man Bush, and you the creeping terror in EU a.k.a socialism. :-D -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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Well, it is futile. Religious clothing does nothing but providing friction and intolerance. It sets you apart from the other guy without even having to talk to him. Stereotypes breed intolerance. When you see a guy with a turban, don't you automatically think "there's a guy who probably hates the USA"? Chances are that he does, but also that he doesn't. But that doesn't matter, because you've already judged him (consciously or not) using the stereotype defined by your culture. Take away the clothing in school, and the kids will get to know eachother on a personal basis, and not by their cultural heritage. Sure, the kids will find out about eachothers cultural heritage in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other culture. -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Take away the clothing in school, and the kids will get to know eachother on a personal basis, and not by their cultural heritage. Sure, the kids will find out about eachothers cultural heritage in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other culture. Why single out cultural heritage then? Make everyone wear skirt and blouse in school and keep long hair, and the kids will get to know each other on a personal basis, and not by their sex. Sure, the kids will find out about each other's sex in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other sex. Make them wear masks in school, and the kids will get to know each other on a personal basis, and not by their colour. Sure, the kids will find out about each other's colour in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other colour. How far do you want this to go? Tolerance can be encouraged not by pretending there aren't any differences, but by accepting those differences and learning to appreciate them. The more kids grow up knowing about each other, the better prepared they will be later on in life. What if a Christian meets a Jew who is not his friend? How do you expect him to embrace the Jew guy and his cultural heritage this late in life? Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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:laugh: Ooooh, the power of the dark side. I'll never be free! How can I go up against something like that? :-D With a little luck, they're just too stupid to tell the difference between their own bush and Bush. :rolleyes: -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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Well, it is futile. Religious clothing does nothing but providing friction and intolerance. It sets you apart from the other guy without even having to talk to him. Stereotypes breed intolerance. When you see a guy with a turban, don't you automatically think "there's a guy who probably hates the USA"? Chances are that he does, but also that he doesn't. But that doesn't matter, because you've already judged him (consciously or not) using the stereotype defined by your culture. Take away the clothing in school, and the kids will get to know eachother on a personal basis, and not by their cultural heritage. Sure, the kids will find out about eachothers cultural heritage in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other culture. -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: When you see a guy with a turban, don't you automatically think "there's a guy who probably hates the USA"? No, depending on the type of turban he is wearing, I think, "There's a Sikh," or "There's a villager," or "There's a Pathhan," etc. This is why it's even more important to be familiar with others' culture and heritage, so that you don't paint everyone with the same brush. For example, only because I know so many Muslims personally, I know that not all of them love Pakistan and hate India, for example. Had I grown up in an environment which hid their Muslim identity from me, it'd have been hard for me to accept this fact. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Having already spit tasted budweiser and michelob, I would say the US doesn't take beer seriously either :rolleyes:
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
KaЯl wrote: Having already spit tasted budweiser and michelob Those are for people who don't like beer but want to pretend they're cool. Sort of like Smirnoff Ice. Here's a hint: they don't sell 3.2% versions of Real Beer.
Shog9 ---
You'd better turn back, before the frost sets in. These desert nights are for weathered men, The ones who've already given in...
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Take away the clothing in school, and the kids will get to know eachother on a personal basis, and not by their cultural heritage. Sure, the kids will find out about eachothers cultural heritage in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other culture. Why single out cultural heritage then? Make everyone wear skirt and blouse in school and keep long hair, and the kids will get to know each other on a personal basis, and not by their sex. Sure, the kids will find out about each other's sex in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other sex. Make them wear masks in school, and the kids will get to know each other on a personal basis, and not by their colour. Sure, the kids will find out about each other's colour in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other colour. How far do you want this to go? Tolerance can be encouraged not by pretending there aren't any differences, but by accepting those differences and learning to appreciate them. The more kids grow up knowing about each other, the better prepared they will be later on in life. What if a Christian meets a Jew who is not his friend? How do you expect him to embrace the Jew guy and his cultural heritage this late in life? Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Rohit Sinha wrote: Why single out cultural heritage then? Call it a slow start. Most people are in general dumb sheep. As soon as they see something they don't recognize, they automatically fear it. Why cover kids with other peoples presumptions? Rohit Sinha wrote: Tolerance can be encouraged not by pretending there aren't any differences, but by accepting those differences and learning to appreciate them. The more kids grow up knowing about each other, the better prepared they will be later on in life. I'm not saying everybody must hide their religious clothings and symbols for all eternity. I'm just saying that it's better to give the kids a slow start. If kids have been all alone without parents, it probably wouldn't have mattered much. But the thing is that kids are fed with stereotypes in their homes. If you remove the images to which the stereotypes are associated with, the kids won't become as ignorant as their parents are. Not everybodies parents are enlightened enough to teach their children to accept people no matter how they appear. If we're going to break these barriers of intolerance between cultures, we need to break it at an early age, and we need to demonstrate that there is not that big of a difference between a catholic boy and a jewish boy. They just do different things on sundays and saturdays. Rohit Sinha wrote: What if a Christian meets a Jew who is not his friend? How do you expect him to embrace the Jew guy and his cultural heritage this late in life? Tricky question, so I'm going to answer your question with another question; would you rather have them not being friends because of whatever falsenesses they've been taught elsewhere, or because they simply don't have anything in common? -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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KaЯl wrote: Having already spit tasted budweiser and michelob Those are for people who don't like beer but want to pretend they're cool. Sort of like Smirnoff Ice. Here's a hint: they don't sell 3.2% versions of Real Beer.
Shog9 ---
You'd better turn back, before the frost sets in. These desert nights are for weathered men, The ones who've already given in...
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Mike Mullikin wrote: All public school kids should wear uniforms to school. No designer clothes. No gang colors or symbols. No religious symbols of any kind. I wore a uniform to School and at the time I hated it. However I am now in favour. No designer clothes: Kids don't compete with each other on who has the most expensive trainers or the coolest clothes. No gang colours or symbols: "Gang" can also be replaced with "football" colours (which in some cities can be highly flamable). When I was at school one of the older kids once pinned me against a wall and asked if I was a Hearts (Heart of Midlothain - Protestant) or Hibs (Hibernian - Catholic) supporter. (Actually I was neither, as I didn't care for football). Thank that I recalled that he wore purple (of Hearts) during the PE lessons and answered "right".... Curiously I recently heard that he is now a Police Officer in the North of England now. No religious symbols: As far as I am concerned it is up to the individual which religion he or she should belong to. School should not impose it. If anyone should it is the parents. If a parent wants their child to have religious lessons at school then they can pay to send them to a special school. No Religious symbols can also be no political symbols here too (and that should also go for the teachers). I recall an English lesson where the interpretation exercise was based on a newspaper article called "In the Blue corner and in the Red Corner" about the Conservative and Labour paries in Britain. The teacher asked a loaded question and I stupidly rose to the bait. She asked "Which party promoted greater freedom?" :omg: Well, she was a staunch socialise and I was going through my "somewhere to the far right of Margaret Thather phase" :-O (as my father once put it) and sparks flew. --Colin Mackay--
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If you don't want kids to compete at all, might as well take away all extracurricular activites such as sports and chess team, take away the whole grading system and make sure to let more idiots get their undeserved high school diplomas. It sucks to be made fun of or beat up because of what you believe in (hey I was given shit for being an Atheist in a public school), but I do believe that kids still need a sense of indiviuality in their lives. If they're made to believe things are only a set way and that they can't think individually when they are sorrounded by their peers, they feel like there is little hope for them otherwise in the world. And if they truly have something they believe in, thehn get criticised for it, they must learn to conform, or stand up for themselves. That's what seperates themselves from the others. I don't believe in facism in any way. Whether you go to public or private school, you have to deal facism one or another. And doing your best to not have to conform to those facist beliefs is what makes you a true individual.
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Rohit Sinha wrote: Why single out cultural heritage then? Call it a slow start. Most people are in general dumb sheep. As soon as they see something they don't recognize, they automatically fear it. Why cover kids with other peoples presumptions? Rohit Sinha wrote: Tolerance can be encouraged not by pretending there aren't any differences, but by accepting those differences and learning to appreciate them. The more kids grow up knowing about each other, the better prepared they will be later on in life. I'm not saying everybody must hide their religious clothings and symbols for all eternity. I'm just saying that it's better to give the kids a slow start. If kids have been all alone without parents, it probably wouldn't have mattered much. But the thing is that kids are fed with stereotypes in their homes. If you remove the images to which the stereotypes are associated with, the kids won't become as ignorant as their parents are. Not everybodies parents are enlightened enough to teach their children to accept people no matter how they appear. If we're going to break these barriers of intolerance between cultures, we need to break it at an early age, and we need to demonstrate that there is not that big of a difference between a catholic boy and a jewish boy. They just do different things on sundays and saturdays. Rohit Sinha wrote: What if a Christian meets a Jew who is not his friend? How do you expect him to embrace the Jew guy and his cultural heritage this late in life? Tricky question, so I'm going to answer your question with another question; would you rather have them not being friends because of whatever falsenesses they've been taught elsewhere, or because they simply don't have anything in common? -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If kids have been all alone without parents, it probably wouldn't have mattered much. But the thing is that kids are fed with stereotypes in their homes. If you remove the images to which the stereotypes are associated with, the kids won't become as ignorant as their parents are. Q: How will preventing kids from wearing certain clothes stop parents from feeding steroptypes to kids? A: It won't. On the other hand, when they see and interact with kids of other ethnic backgrounds than theirs, they will grow up to be more tolerant than they would have otherwise. Dad, you told me Muslims are evil. But Javed in my school is a Muslim and is a real cool guy. He showed me how to hold a Cricket bat. Javed is now my best friend, dad. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If we're going to break these barriers of intolerance between cultures, we need to break it at an early age, and we need to demonstrate that there is not that big of a difference between a catholic boy and a jewish boy. They just do different things on sundays and saturdays. Right. For that to happen however, we need to show them right from the beginning that both Albert and Paul are cool guys, even though they belong to different religions. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Tricky question, so I'm going to answer your question with another question; would you rather have them not being friends because of whatever falsenesses they've been taught elsewhere, or because they simply don't have anything in common? I'd rather have them get back to the source of the falsenesses and educate them too. Just because daddy is ignorant, doesn't mean he has to be this way forever. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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What beers are the most popular?
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
Currently, New Glarus Coffee Stout, Pearl Street Brewery Downtown Nut Brown, Leinenkugel's Red Lager, and the Goose Island Breer Company's Hex Nut Brown. Or did you mean, "among other people"...? ;)
Shog9 ---
You'd better turn back, before the frost sets in. These desert nights are for weathered men, The ones who've already given in...
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Currently, New Glarus Coffee Stout, Pearl Street Brewery Downtown Nut Brown, Leinenkugel's Red Lager, and the Goose Island Breer Company's Hex Nut Brown. Or did you mean, "among other people"...? ;)
Shog9 ---
You'd better turn back, before the frost sets in. These desert nights are for weathered men, The ones who've already given in...