Religous signs
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There's a great debate there about the necessity to make a new law forbidding schoolboys and schoolgirls to wear ostentatious religious signs (cf. http://www.swisspolitics.org/en/news/index.php?section=int&page=news_inhalt&news_id=4521696[^]) What's your opinion on the subject?
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
First thought: We are the Borg, religion is futile, diversity is futile. You will be assimilated!
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
Jason Henderson
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I never heard about a beer brand asking to persecute non drinkers, or drinkers of another brand :) Roger Wright wrote: Chirac is, in this instance, clearly attempting to stomp on the Islamic faith and is extending the ban to all religious symbols to cover it up This is not only Chirac. There's quiet a consensus on the question from the left to the right wing. Roger Wright wrote: why do you put up with him To be honest, I voted for him once, for the last presidential election. But at this time we had the choice between him (a man I consider as a demagogic blunderer) and a neo-fascist, racist, anti-semit candidate. It was a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils, for me not voting being not an option.
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
KaЯl wrote: not voting being not an option I agree - it's a duty for me. If you don't exercise a choice when given the opportunity, you have no right to bitch about the outcome; I love to bitch. KaЯl wrote: I voted for him once Heck, we all make mistakes. I not only voted for Nixon, I worked on his campaign committee!:-O "Your village called -
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I have no problem with people wearing symbols of their faith in public, nor with public institutions displaying religious symbols, so long as there is no government pressure applied to influence the beliefs of the people. We have periodic flaps here when some nutcase or other decides that religious quotes on buildings, or religious words spoken in a public school somehow violate the principle of separation. We also get nonsense like this case over traditional garb worn to school or work. Humbug! If we ban symbols of religious faith in public, then we should ban t-shirts that advertise beer, as well. There is absolutely no difference, except perhaps that the beer ads are more blatant. Chirac is, in this instance, clearly attempting to stomp on the Islamic faith and is extending the ban to all religious symbols to cover it up. What a transparent ninny - why do you put up with him? He can't even properly oppress minorities! "Your village called -
They're missing their idiot."Roger Wright wrote: If we ban symbols of religious faith in public, then we should ban t-shirts that advertise beer, as well. In most public schools (in the US) t-shirts that advertise beer are banned. :rolleyes: Roger Wright wrote: Chirac is, in this instance, clearly attempting to stomp on the Islamic faith and is extending the ban to all religious symbols to cover it up. Sounds like you spent a little too much time in California. ;P Sometimes tolerance doesn't mean letting everybody do anything. Take away the veil and the "little muslim girl" becomes the "little girl". Take away the gold cross and the "little catholic girl" becomes the "little girl". Take away the yarmulke and the "little jewish boy" becomes a "little boy". The fewer stereotypes and biases we place between children and learning the better. All I've ever wanted was an honest week's pay for an honest day's work.
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KaЯl wrote: not voting being not an option I agree - it's a duty for me. If you don't exercise a choice when given the opportunity, you have no right to bitch about the outcome; I love to bitch. KaЯl wrote: I voted for him once Heck, we all make mistakes. I not only voted for Nixon, I worked on his campaign committee!:-O "Your village called -
They're missing their idiot."Roger Wright wrote: I love to bitch. In my arms, brother! :-D Roger Wright wrote: I worked on his campaign committee Roger Wright, aka Deep Throat? :rolleyes:
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
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First thought: We are the Borg, religion is futile, diversity is futile. You will be assimilated!
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
Jason Henderson
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Roger Wright wrote: If we ban symbols of religious faith in public, then we should ban t-shirts that advertise beer, as well. In most public schools (in the US) t-shirts that advertise beer are banned. :rolleyes: Roger Wright wrote: Chirac is, in this instance, clearly attempting to stomp on the Islamic faith and is extending the ban to all religious symbols to cover it up. Sounds like you spent a little too much time in California. ;P Sometimes tolerance doesn't mean letting everybody do anything. Take away the veil and the "little muslim girl" becomes the "little girl". Take away the gold cross and the "little catholic girl" becomes the "little girl". Take away the yarmulke and the "little jewish boy" becomes a "little boy". The fewer stereotypes and biases we place between children and learning the better. All I've ever wanted was an honest week's pay for an honest day's work.
I agree! -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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There's a great debate there about the necessity to make a new law forbidding schoolboys and schoolgirls to wear ostentatious religious signs (cf. http://www.swisspolitics.org/en/news/index.php?section=int&page=news_inhalt&news_id=4521696[^]) What's your opinion on the subject?
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
Can I wear religious symbols on my underwear? :-D I guess that would be considered OK as long as I wore some other clothing over top. :) Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan I can't help getting older, but I refuse to grow up. Roger Wright I've been meaning to change my sig. Thanks! Alvaro Mendez We're more like a hobbiest in a Home Depot drooling at all the shiny power tools, rather than a craftsman that makes the chair to an exacting level of comfort by measuring the customer's butt. Marc Clifton
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First thought: We are the Borg, religion is futile, diversity is futile. You will be assimilated!
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
Jason Henderson
blogWell, it is futile. Religious clothing does nothing but providing friction and intolerance. It sets you apart from the other guy without even having to talk to him. Stereotypes breed intolerance. When you see a guy with a turban, don't you automatically think "there's a guy who probably hates the USA"? Chances are that he does, but also that he doesn't. But that doesn't matter, because you've already judged him (consciously or not) using the stereotype defined by your culture. Take away the clothing in school, and the kids will get to know eachother on a personal basis, and not by their cultural heritage. Sure, the kids will find out about eachothers cultural heritage in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other culture. -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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Can I wear religious symbols on my underwear? :-D I guess that would be considered OK as long as I wore some other clothing over top. :) Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan I can't help getting older, but I refuse to grow up. Roger Wright I've been meaning to change my sig. Thanks! Alvaro Mendez We're more like a hobbiest in a Home Depot drooling at all the shiny power tools, rather than a craftsman that makes the chair to an exacting level of comfort by measuring the customer's butt. Marc Clifton
Yep, the law would authorize it (with clothes over it, of course). I hope no religion obliges its members not to wear any clothe, it would complicate the issue :rolleyes: I wear a cross around my neck, hidden by my clothes, and never have any problem because of it.
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
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Well, it is futile. Religious clothing does nothing but providing friction and intolerance. It sets you apart from the other guy without even having to talk to him. Stereotypes breed intolerance. When you see a guy with a turban, don't you automatically think "there's a guy who probably hates the USA"? Chances are that he does, but also that he doesn't. But that doesn't matter, because you've already judged him (consciously or not) using the stereotype defined by your culture. Take away the clothing in school, and the kids will get to know eachother on a personal basis, and not by their cultural heritage. Sure, the kids will find out about eachothers cultural heritage in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other culture. -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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I never heard about a beer brand asking to persecute non drinkers, or drinkers of another brand :) Roger Wright wrote: Chirac is, in this instance, clearly attempting to stomp on the Islamic faith and is extending the ban to all religious symbols to cover it up This is not only Chirac. There's quiet a consensus on the question from the left to the right wing. Roger Wright wrote: why do you put up with him To be honest, I voted for him once, for the last presidential election. But at this time we had the choice between him (a man I consider as a demagogic blunderer) and a neo-fascist, racist, anti-semit candidate. It was a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils, for me not voting being not an option.
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
Karl wrote: I never heard about a beer brand asking to persecute non drinkers, or drinkers of another brand You people don't take your beer very seriously, do you... :suss:
Shog9 ---
You'd better turn back, before the frost sets in. These desert nights are for weathered men, The ones who've already given in...
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Exactly! 5. [edit], as for Mike. [/edit]
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
I can't believe Mike and I are agreeing on something. :-D -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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Karl wrote: I never heard about a beer brand asking to persecute non drinkers, or drinkers of another brand You people don't take your beer very seriously, do you... :suss:
Shog9 ---
You'd better turn back, before the frost sets in. These desert nights are for weathered men, The ones who've already given in...
Having already spit tasted budweiser and michelob, I would say the US doesn't take beer seriously either :rolleyes:
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I can't believe Mike and I are agreeing on something. :-D -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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I'm so happy to bring people closer :-D
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
:laugh: -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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I can't believe Mike and I are agreeing on something. :-D -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I can't believe Mike and I are agreeing on something. Jörgen, I'm deeply hurt! :(( I've always respected your opinions immensely and I am damn proud to be on the same side of any issue with you. :love: :rose:
Psssst. Do ya think he bought it?
All I've ever wanted was an honest week's pay for an honest day's work.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I can't believe Mike and I are agreeing on something. Jörgen, I'm deeply hurt! :(( I've always respected your opinions immensely and I am damn proud to be on the same side of any issue with you. :love: :rose:
Psssst. Do ya think he bought it?
All I've ever wanted was an honest week's pay for an honest day's work.
I don't know.. but we could always start a new flaming thread on the soap box, where we could pretend we agree - or even better - switch sides! I could embrace the mad man Bush, and you the creeping terror in EU a.k.a socialism. :-D -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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Well, it is futile. Religious clothing does nothing but providing friction and intolerance. It sets you apart from the other guy without even having to talk to him. Stereotypes breed intolerance. When you see a guy with a turban, don't you automatically think "there's a guy who probably hates the USA"? Chances are that he does, but also that he doesn't. But that doesn't matter, because you've already judged him (consciously or not) using the stereotype defined by your culture. Take away the clothing in school, and the kids will get to know eachother on a personal basis, and not by their cultural heritage. Sure, the kids will find out about eachothers cultural heritage in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other culture. -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: When you see a guy with a turban, don't you automatically think "there's a guy who probably hates the USA"? No, I don't - never have, in fact. I might wonder if perhaps he's having a really bad hair day, or assume that he is respecting the traditions of his culture and beliefs. I even admire him for not being cowed by fear of rejection because he stands out in a land where such a sight is relatively rare. "Your village called -
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I don't know.. but we could always start a new flaming thread on the soap box, where we could pretend we agree - or even better - switch sides! I could embrace the mad man Bush, and you the creeping terror in EU a.k.a socialism. :-D -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
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Well, it is futile. Religious clothing does nothing but providing friction and intolerance. It sets you apart from the other guy without even having to talk to him. Stereotypes breed intolerance. When you see a guy with a turban, don't you automatically think "there's a guy who probably hates the USA"? Chances are that he does, but also that he doesn't. But that doesn't matter, because you've already judged him (consciously or not) using the stereotype defined by your culture. Take away the clothing in school, and the kids will get to know eachother on a personal basis, and not by their cultural heritage. Sure, the kids will find out about eachothers cultural heritage in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other culture. -- I can't resist a touch of evil.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Take away the clothing in school, and the kids will get to know eachother on a personal basis, and not by their cultural heritage. Sure, the kids will find out about eachothers cultural heritage in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other culture. Why single out cultural heritage then? Make everyone wear skirt and blouse in school and keep long hair, and the kids will get to know each other on a personal basis, and not by their sex. Sure, the kids will find out about each other's sex in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other sex. Make them wear masks in school, and the kids will get to know each other on a personal basis, and not by their colour. Sure, the kids will find out about each other's colour in due time, but if they're already friends, it's probably easier to accept and embrace the other colour. How far do you want this to go? Tolerance can be encouraged not by pretending there aren't any differences, but by accepting those differences and learning to appreciate them. The more kids grow up knowing about each other, the better prepared they will be later on in life. What if a Christian meets a Jew who is not his friend? How do you expect him to embrace the Jew guy and his cultural heritage this late in life? Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa