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I can log into my neighbour's wireless connection which is not encrypted. I read the replies to Rama Krishna's stolen network connection[^] post. I scanned for all the addresses via WS_PIN Pro and I found only two IP addresses 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.102 When I ran the 'ipconfig' on my laptop it showed 192.168.0.102 So how do I send 'NET SEND' to my neighbour? (whoever is the guy who lives near by from my apartment) If I send NET SEND to 192.168.0.1, how it can display on his/her computer, as 192.168.0.1 is the IP address of the router. :confused: The neighbour's router is Linksys DI-614+. I tried to login but I believe the default admin/password were changed. My intention is to inform the neighbour about their open wireless connection. TIA
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This signature was created by "Code Project Quoter".We saw something similar the first time we got cable internet. When we setup new test machines with the default windows workgroup settings we could see some business' computers and printers. We ended up printing a warning message on their printer about the dangers of using the default settings and a day later they disappeared. Still have no idea who they were but all their files were accessible and if we wanted to we could have opened up their accounting databases etc. Was pretty amusing but sad.
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I run the same router and I also run it without encryption. However I also turned on filters for MAC addresses and only allow the MAC addresses of the PC's at my home to connect. :) Interestingly, I was recenetly setting up a new XP PC for a daughter who has just come home for the holidays and I could not get anything on the PC to tell me what the MAC address of the card was! Eventually, using the admin tool for the router, I learned what it was as it was listed for me as a card that was being denied access! I've since learned that at a command line 'ipconfig /all' would have given it to me as well. Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan I can't help getting older, but I refuse to grow up. Roger Wright I've been meaning to change my sig. Thanks! Alvaro Mendez We're more like a hobbiest in a Home Depot drooling at all the shiny power tools, rather than a craftsman that makes the chair to an exacting level of comfort by measuring the customer's butt. Marc Clifton
Chris Meech wrote: However I also turned on filters for MAC addresses and only allow the MAC addresses of the PC's at my home to connect. Actually I did that for my laptop's Wireless PC Card MAC address only. I haven't done for my other 2 desktops. Do you think that's required? Those two desktops are connected via wire.
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Kant wrote: My intention is to inform the neighbour about their open wireless connection. In general that is not a good idea. He doesnot care. It may be helpful if your internet connection is lost to use his sometimes. :) try ping - a 198.162.1.100 - 106 and see if any of them respond.
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We saw something similar the first time we got cable internet. When we setup new test machines with the default windows workgroup settings we could see some business' computers and printers. We ended up printing a warning message on their printer about the dangers of using the default settings and a day later they disappeared. Still have no idea who they were but all their files were accessible and if we wanted to we could have opened up their accounting databases etc. Was pretty amusing but sad.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!John Cardinal wrote: We ended up printing a warning message on their printer about the dangers of using the default settings and a day later they disappeared. :wtf: John Cardinal wrote: but all their files were accessible and if we wanted to we could have opened up their accounting databases etc. You mean even their router was open with default admin and password?
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Kant wrote: My intention is to inform the neighbour about their open wireless connection. In general that is not a good idea. He doesnot care. It may be helpful if your internet connection is lost to use his sometimes. :) try ping - a 198.162.1.100 - 106 and see if any of them respond.
Somewhere in the world there is a machine language programmer waiting for that damned assembly language fad to pass. - Stan Shanon
Rama Krishna wrote: try ping - a 198.162.1.100 - 106 and see if any of them respond. With the WS_Ping it shows only two IP addresses. Rama Krishna wrote: It may be helpful if your internet connection is lost to use his sometimes. I agree, but when I told about this to one of my other neighbour(desi), he was amazed about it and wants to cancel his DSL connection and use this guy/girl's free open wireless connection. That's pathetic. X|
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John Cardinal wrote: We ended up printing a warning message on their printer about the dangers of using the default settings and a day later they disappeared. :wtf: John Cardinal wrote: but all their files were accessible and if we wanted to we could have opened up their accounting databases etc. You mean even their router was open with default admin and password?
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This signature was created by "Code Project Quoter".The only thing they probably had was a hub and a cable modem. Most people don't have routers I would guess (at least not in a typical small office or home situation where a network tech was not involved in the setup). With that default setup there is no protection other than windows security. That's one of the problems with networking becoming so easy to do these days, it gurantees more people try to do it themselves without the requisite knowledge and experience.
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If there are no other IP addresses he must not be connected to it. btw, did you get my email, if so don't reply to that address. I sent it from the wrong account :-O Matt Newman If you chose to continue this discussion, I am fully prepared to make you my bitch. I invite you to ask around, and you'll find out that I'm quite capable of doing so - John Simmons on Trolls
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I run the same router and I also run it without encryption. However I also turned on filters for MAC addresses and only allow the MAC addresses of the PC's at my home to connect. :) Interestingly, I was recenetly setting up a new XP PC for a daughter who has just come home for the holidays and I could not get anything on the PC to tell me what the MAC address of the card was! Eventually, using the admin tool for the router, I learned what it was as it was listed for me as a card that was being denied access! I've since learned that at a command line 'ipconfig /all' would have given it to me as well. Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan I can't help getting older, but I refuse to grow up. Roger Wright I've been meaning to change my sig. Thanks! Alvaro Mendez We're more like a hobbiest in a Home Depot drooling at all the shiny power tools, rather than a craftsman that makes the chair to an exacting level of comfort by measuring the customer's butt. Marc Clifton
I also have the 614+, and I'm runing 64-bit encryption, as well as filtering mac addresses, on top of only allowing ONE connection. I gave my dad a 614 router and a Linksys USB 802.11b wireless adapter (802.11g requires USB 2.0), and it's also configured like the one I have at home. The only difference is that his router allows me to log on with my laptop. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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The only thing they probably had was a hub and a cable modem. Most people don't have routers I would guess (at least not in a typical small office or home situation where a network tech was not involved in the setup). With that default setup there is no protection other than windows security. That's one of the problems with networking becoming so easy to do these days, it gurantees more people try to do it themselves without the requisite knowledge and experience.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!For a wireless connection they would need either a wireless router or access point - Linksys / DLink / NetGear / Belkin / others makes both for the home and small business market with price ranging from around $50 to $140 each. Steve
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Chris Meech wrote: However I also turned on filters for MAC addresses and only allow the MAC addresses of the PC's at my home to connect. Actually I did that for my laptop's Wireless PC Card MAC address only. I haven't done for my other 2 desktops. Do you think that's required? Those two desktops are connected via wire.
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This signature was created by "Code Project Quoter".Kant wrote: I haven't done for my other 2 desktops I did it for my desktop's, cause they connect wirelessly. :-O Even though it's a four port router, I don't use any of them. I didn't mind spending a few extra dollars for the wireless cards, since I have the extra convenience of moving any PC without having a hassle of re-wiring. Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan I can't help getting older, but I refuse to grow up. Roger Wright I've been meaning to change my sig. Thanks! Alvaro Mendez We're more like a hobbiest in a Home Depot drooling at all the shiny power tools, rather than a craftsman that makes the chair to an exacting level of comfort by measuring the customer's butt. Marc Clifton
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I also have the 614+, and I'm runing 64-bit encryption, as well as filtering mac addresses, on top of only allowing ONE connection. I gave my dad a 614 router and a Linksys USB 802.11b wireless adapter (802.11g requires USB 2.0), and it's also configured like the one I have at home. The only difference is that his router allows me to log on with my laptop. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I'm runing 64-bit encryption Is there any benefit to this, other than it will make 'spying' difficult? Is there any thoughput loss due to having to encrypt/decrypt the packets? Just interested. I tend to think that the MAC address filter pretty well nails down the LAN so that nobody can connect unless they duplicate an existing card. :) Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan I can't help getting older, but I refuse to grow up. Roger Wright I've been meaning to change my sig. Thanks! Alvaro Mendez We're more like a hobbiest in a Home Depot drooling at all the shiny power tools, rather than a craftsman that makes the chair to an exacting level of comfort by measuring the customer's butt. Marc Clifton
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I'm runing 64-bit encryption Is there any benefit to this, other than it will make 'spying' difficult? Is there any thoughput loss due to having to encrypt/decrypt the packets? Just interested. I tend to think that the MAC address filter pretty well nails down the LAN so that nobody can connect unless they duplicate an existing card. :) Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan I can't help getting older, but I refuse to grow up. Roger Wright I've been meaning to change my sig. Thanks! Alvaro Mendez We're more like a hobbiest in a Home Depot drooling at all the shiny power tools, rather than a craftsman that makes the chair to an exacting level of comfort by measuring the customer's butt. Marc Clifton
Chris Meech wrote: I tend to think that the MAC address filter pretty well nails down the LAN so that nobody can connect unless they duplicate an existing card That's exactly what Netgear support told me. If I don't keep the encryption settings then I can browse the net using my laptop at Barnes And Nobles or Starbucks stores without any problems. If not I have to change the settings everytime I use the laptop to browse the net. So if the computer is connected via wired, then there is no need to enter the MAC address for that computer. Am I right?
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Rama Krishna wrote: try ping - a 198.162.1.100 - 106 and see if any of them respond. With the WS_Ping it shows only two IP addresses. Rama Krishna wrote: It may be helpful if your internet connection is lost to use his sometimes. I agree, but when I told about this to one of my other neighbour(desi), he was amazed about it and wants to cancel his DSL connection and use this guy/girl's free open wireless connection. That's pathetic. X|
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This signature was created by "Code Project Quoter".Kant wrote: That's pathetic. Is it? If you and enough of your neighbors all want 'Net access, and are within range, you might all be better off ditching your separate connections, and pitching in on a faster one. Set up a neighborhood LAN, and reap the benefits of your increased bandwidth-buying power! :D
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Chris Meech wrote: I tend to think that the MAC address filter pretty well nails down the LAN so that nobody can connect unless they duplicate an existing card That's exactly what Netgear support told me. If I don't keep the encryption settings then I can browse the net using my laptop at Barnes And Nobles or Starbucks stores without any problems. If not I have to change the settings everytime I use the laptop to browse the net. So if the computer is connected via wired, then there is no need to enter the MAC address for that computer. Am I right?
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This signature was created by "Code Project Quoter".Kant wrote: If I don't keep the encryption settings then I can browse the net using my laptop at Barnes And Nobles or Starbucks stores without any problems. If not I have to change the settings everytime I use the laptop to browse the net. Correct me if I wrong, but while B&N and Starbucks have access points that require encryption, I would also think that they have different encryption keys. Therefore you need to save each configuration somehow, or else remember each of the different keys in order to configure and connect. Kant wrote: So if the computer is connected via wired, then there is no need to enter the MAC address for that computer. Am I right? That probably depends upon the router, but in the DLink case I believe this is correct. It will accept anything that is plugged into it. Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan I can't help getting older, but I refuse to grow up. Roger Wright I've been meaning to change my sig. Thanks! Alvaro Mendez We're more like a hobbiest in a Home Depot drooling at all the shiny power tools, rather than a craftsman that makes the chair to an exacting level of comfort by measuring the customer's butt. Marc Clifton
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Kant wrote: That's pathetic. Is it? If you and enough of your neighbors all want 'Net access, and are within range, you might all be better off ditching your separate connections, and pitching in on a faster one. Set up a neighborhood LAN, and reap the benefits of your increased bandwidth-buying power! :D
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Shog9 wrote: Set up a neighborhood LAN, and reap the benefits of your increased bandwidth-buying power! :rolleyes: Cool Idea. Just like this one[^]
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Matt Newman wrote: btw, did you get my email, if so don't reply to that address. I sent it from the wrong account Got the mail but I haven't implemented it what you mentioned. So send me another mail (from right mail id), so if I have any questions I can reply back to you.
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I can log into my neighbour's wireless connection which is not encrypted. I read the replies to Rama Krishna's stolen network connection[^] post. I scanned for all the addresses via WS_PIN Pro and I found only two IP addresses 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.102 When I ran the 'ipconfig' on my laptop it showed 192.168.0.102 So how do I send 'NET SEND' to my neighbour? (whoever is the guy who lives near by from my apartment) If I send NET SEND to 192.168.0.1, how it can display on his/her computer, as 192.168.0.1 is the IP address of the router. :confused: The neighbour's router is Linksys DI-614+. I tried to login but I believe the default admin/password were changed. My intention is to inform the neighbour about their open wireless connection. TIA
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This signature was created by "Code Project Quoter".Kant wrote: I can log into my neighbour's wireless connection which is not encrypted. Had the same thing happen at the previous place I lived at - we've got a DI-614+ sharing broadband between my computer and flatmate's computer, but whilst setting it up we managed to screw up the encryption key so we couldn't connect to it. But somehow flatmate's laptop was still getting through to web pages - it had reconnected to a network named 'default' with no encryption. Sure enough, it was another DI-614+ with the default settings, but at least had an admin password set. Must have been in the same building since the range is nowhere near what they claim, had a hard time getting it to transmit from one room to the next. Bit of a Catch-22 with these things, ideally they shouldn't allow running wireless without encryption, but you've got to connect to the thing in the first place to turn encryption on, so it can't be encrypted out of the box, or if it is it'd just be a default key which is about the same really. I now live just down the road from there, got line of sight to the old place but seem to be out of range, can't see that other network any more.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I'm runing 64-bit encryption Is there any benefit to this, other than it will make 'spying' difficult? Is there any thoughput loss due to having to encrypt/decrypt the packets? Just interested. I tend to think that the MAC address filter pretty well nails down the LAN so that nobody can connect unless they duplicate an existing card. :) Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan I can't help getting older, but I refuse to grow up. Roger Wright I've been meaning to change my sig. Thanks! Alvaro Mendez We're more like a hobbiest in a Home Depot drooling at all the shiny power tools, rather than a craftsman that makes the chair to an exacting level of comfort by measuring the customer's butt. Marc Clifton
The encryption is just another layer of security (albeit, a paper thin layer). The way I see it is that there's no reason to make it easier for people to break in at the expense of a neglible speed pernalty on the LAN. The real problem with the encryption is that it's so easy to crack, even at 128-bit (just 10 minutes if you know how it's done). I can see four other WAPS from my laptop at home, and I can freely use three of them (my guess is that they're new RoadRunner wireless cable modem accounts with cluess users). When I see the RoadRunner truck in my neighborhood, I cringe... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
