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KaЯl wrote: To the list of harmful products ... women I hate to break it to you Karl, but women are not products. They're slave masters. :rolleyes: -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
We are all products, men and women... welcome in a capitalist world! Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: They're slave masters You know, Jörgen, you can do what you want in privacy, I won't judge :-D
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
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We are all products, men and women... welcome in a capitalist world! Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: They're slave masters You know, Jörgen, you can do what you want in privacy, I won't judge :-D
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
KaЯl wrote: We are all products, men and women... welcome in a capitalist world! It may be a capitalist world we live in, but I'll be damned if I'm sold! KaЯl wrote: You know, Jörgen, you can do what you want in privacy, I won't judge Touché! :-D -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
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We are all products, men and women... welcome in a capitalist world! Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: They're slave masters You know, Jörgen, you can do what you want in privacy, I won't judge :-D
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
Hey, did any of your fellow country men educate the Italians in making good wine? For once I'm happy to say that this Italian Merlot tastes very good! Cheers! *hick* :-D (Is that Salut! in french btw?) -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
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KaЯl wrote: We are all products, men and women... welcome in a capitalist world! It may be a capitalist world we live in, but I'll be damned if I'm sold! KaЯl wrote: You know, Jörgen, you can do what you want in privacy, I won't judge Touché! :-D -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: It may be a capitalist world we live in, but I'll be damned if I'm sold! Come on! What's the price of your soul? :-D
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: It may be a capitalist world we live in, but I'll be damned if I'm sold! Come on! What's the price of your soul? :-D
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
KaЯl wrote: What's the price of your soul? Well.. uhm. A case of that Pinot Noir from Bourgogne wine I drank a couple of weeks ago would be nice. :rolleyes: :-D -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
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Hey, did any of your fellow country men educate the Italians in making good wine? For once I'm happy to say that this Italian Merlot tastes very good! Cheers! *hick* :-D (Is that Salut! in french btw?) -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
I'm not sure, but IIRC, it's the opposite, Romans are the ones who learned to Gauls how to make wine. AFAIK, Merlot is mainly used in Bordelais (region of Bordeaux) and in Tessin, a italian-speaking part of Switzerland. I suppose that Californian and Australian producers borrowed it too. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Is that Salut! in french btw?) We would rather say "Santé!", a wish of good health (it comes probably from a time when use of poison was common :-D)
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
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I'm not sure, but IIRC, it's the opposite, Romans are the ones who learned to Gauls how to make wine. AFAIK, Merlot is mainly used in Bordelais (region of Bordeaux) and in Tessin, a italian-speaking part of Switzerland. I suppose that Californian and Australian producers borrowed it too. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Is that Salut! in french btw?) We would rather say "Santé!", a wish of good health (it comes probably from a time when use of poison was common :-D)
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
KaЯl wrote: I'm not sure, but IIRC, it's the opposite, Romans are the ones who learned to Gauls how to make wine. To me it seems that the apprentice became more powerful than his master. Maybe I've been unlucky when it comes to Italian wines, but it still doesn't invalidate my personal wine statistics. What else can I trust than my own taste buds? :) KaЯl wrote: We would rather say "Santé!", a wish of good health (it comes probably from a time when use of poison was common ) Well then, Santé KaЯl! I'm off to the party. Have a good one! Don't spare the wine or the women :-D -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
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KaЯl wrote: To the list of harmful products ... women I hate to break it to you Karl, but women are not products. They're slave masters. :rolleyes: -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
Shhhh ! :laugh: The tigress is here :-D
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KaЯl wrote: What's the price of your soul? Well.. uhm. A case of that Pinot Noir from Bourgogne wine I drank a couple of weeks ago would be nice. :rolleyes: :-D -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
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KaЯl wrote: I'm not sure, but IIRC, it's the opposite, Romans are the ones who learned to Gauls how to make wine. To me it seems that the apprentice became more powerful than his master. Maybe I've been unlucky when it comes to Italian wines, but it still doesn't invalidate my personal wine statistics. What else can I trust than my own taste buds? :) KaЯl wrote: We would rather say "Santé!", a wish of good health (it comes probably from a time when use of poison was common ) Well then, Santé KaЯl! I'm off to the party. Have a good one! Don't spare the wine or the women :-D -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
:cool:Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: . Maybe I've been unlucky when it comes to Italian wines, but it still doesn't invalidate my personal wine statistics I would tend to agree. Wine at the time of ancient Rome was different of what we know, much more acid and rougher, I suppose many italian wine follow that tradition :-D Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Well then, Santé KaЯl! I'm off to the party. Have a good one! Don't spare the wine or the women Cheers Jörgen, hope to see you in 2004! Carpe Diem, and In Vino Veritas!
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I think all drugs should be legal, but your odds of survival should be printed plainly on the packaging. Marc Clifton wrote: New Year's Resolution? Oddly, to quit smoking. I quit for a few weeks this fall, then started up again occasionally. I'm smoking much,much less than before, but smoking is smoking.
"Things are not what they seem. Nor are they any different."
brianwelsch wrote: I think all drugs should be legal, but your odds of survival should be printed plainly on the packaging. I agree. It shouldn't be illegal for you to put chemicals into your own body.
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I'm not sure, but IIRC, it's the opposite, Romans are the ones who learned to Gauls how to make wine. AFAIK, Merlot is mainly used in Bordelais (region of Bordeaux) and in Tessin, a italian-speaking part of Switzerland. I suppose that Californian and Australian producers borrowed it too. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Is that Salut! in french btw?) We would rather say "Santé!", a wish of good health (it comes probably from a time when use of poison was common :-D)
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
KaЯl wrote: We would rather say "Santé!", a wish of good health (it comes probably from a time when use of poison was common ) Ah, those were the days... Poisoning your drinking buddies, stabbing a dagger in someones back for personal gains. :) And if the paths that I have followed/have tread against the flow/there is no need for sorrow I am coming home Return, Crüxshadows
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I think all drugs should be legal, but your odds of survival should be printed plainly on the packaging. Marc Clifton wrote: New Year's Resolution? Oddly, to quit smoking. I quit for a few weeks this fall, then started up again occasionally. I'm smoking much,much less than before, but smoking is smoking.
"Things are not what they seem. Nor are they any different."
brianwelsch wrote: I think all drugs should be legal, but your odds of survival should be printed plainly on the packaging. Absolutly not. This kind of thinking is so .... , leaves me dumb founded. 6 People were killed just a few blocks from my home on the 31st. The drunk driver walked away from it. We are not talking about what drugs do to the individual only here! :mad: "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
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155 deaths is all it took to ban ephedra[^] vs. millions of smoking related deaths, and tobacco is still legal[^] The irony of this leaves (no puns intended) me dumbfounded. So, what's your New Year's Resolution? Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
Marc Clifton wrote: The irony of this leaves (no puns intended) me dumbfounded. Well, how many are killed by alcohol? You can see what banning it did. "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
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brianwelsch wrote: I think all drugs should be legal, but your odds of survival should be printed plainly on the packaging. Absolutly not. This kind of thinking is so .... , leaves me dumb founded. 6 People were killed just a few blocks from my home on the 31st. The drunk driver walked away from it. We are not talking about what drugs do to the individual only here! :mad: "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: We are not talking about what drugs do to the individual only here! Actually, regarding ephedra and smoking we are, but I see your point. I just don't think making drugs illegal is any kind of answer. It's illegal to drink and drive, and look what good the law did for those 6 people. What about the senseless violence caused by smuggling drugs? Or the money the gov't spends in its futile "War on Drugs"? People still drank plenty during prohibition, just like many people get stoned today while all sorts of recreational drugs are illegal. Handling drugs the way we do today is like pissing in the wind. We'd be better off spending that money on educating people, getting some tax revenue off legal sales, lower prices might cause less mugging/robbery, etc. In a nutshell, my viewpoint is that we should let people do essentially what they will, but once they cross the line and hurt others, then lock 'em up or worse.
"Things are not what they seem. Nor are they any different."
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Marc Clifton wrote: The irony of this leaves (no puns intended) me dumbfounded. Well, how many are killed by alcohol? You can see what banning it did. "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Well, how many are killed by alcohol? You can see what banning it did. Of course. I'm not advocating banning tobacco, but rather totally dumbfounded at the action of the FDA. Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Well, how many are killed by alcohol? You can see what banning it did. Of course. I'm not advocating banning tobacco, but rather totally dumbfounded at the action of the FDA. Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
Marc Clifton wrote: but rather totally dumbfounded at the action of the FDA. Agreed, I guess I was reading more into some of these posts. :rose: "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: We are not talking about what drugs do to the individual only here! Actually, regarding ephedra and smoking we are, but I see your point. I just don't think making drugs illegal is any kind of answer. It's illegal to drink and drive, and look what good the law did for those 6 people. What about the senseless violence caused by smuggling drugs? Or the money the gov't spends in its futile "War on Drugs"? People still drank plenty during prohibition, just like many people get stoned today while all sorts of recreational drugs are illegal. Handling drugs the way we do today is like pissing in the wind. We'd be better off spending that money on educating people, getting some tax revenue off legal sales, lower prices might cause less mugging/robbery, etc. In a nutshell, my viewpoint is that we should let people do essentially what they will, but once they cross the line and hurt others, then lock 'em up or worse.
"Things are not what they seem. Nor are they any different."
brianwelsch wrote: Actually, regarding ephedra and smoking we are, Kind of OK. Agreed with ephedra, but even smoking the second hand effect are felt (I have asthma and I can tell you some one lighting up around me does have an impact.) Now if that was just in their car or home or approved area ok. (In this case it mostly is ok.) brianwelsch wrote: but once they cross the line and hurt others, then lock 'em up or worse. Now I will agree with this and if this were done and effective would be an answer. It however has not been due to laws to protect the accused. From what is reported this is not the first this young man has been involved with. Unless you want to accept this mans penalty is death for murder, just locking up more and more is also not a realistic answer. Individuals in society must really make a mind set change. Start caring for others a lot more and IMhO that is what much of this comes down to. When I see the talk of let me do what ever I want I see selfishness as the driver and not responsibility or caring about others. I guess this just hit a nerve of mine. :rose: "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
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brianwelsch wrote: Actually, regarding ephedra and smoking we are, Kind of OK. Agreed with ephedra, but even smoking the second hand effect are felt (I have asthma and I can tell you some one lighting up around me does have an impact.) Now if that was just in their car or home or approved area ok. (In this case it mostly is ok.) brianwelsch wrote: but once they cross the line and hurt others, then lock 'em up or worse. Now I will agree with this and if this were done and effective would be an answer. It however has not been due to laws to protect the accused. From what is reported this is not the first this young man has been involved with. Unless you want to accept this mans penalty is death for murder, just locking up more and more is also not a realistic answer. Individuals in society must really make a mind set change. Start caring for others a lot more and IMhO that is what much of this comes down to. When I see the talk of let me do what ever I want I see selfishness as the driver and not responsibility or caring about others. I guess this just hit a nerve of mine. :rose: "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: I guess this just hit a nerve of mine. It's a tough issue. BTW, did you know the people in that accident? Michael A. Barnhart wrote: just locking up more and more is also not a realistic answer I'm actually all for labor camps, and am not entirely opposed to the death penalty, though I realize it's not much of a deterrant. BW CP Member Homepages
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155 deaths is all it took to ban ephedra[^] vs. millions of smoking related deaths, and tobacco is still legal[^] The irony of this leaves (no puns intended) me dumbfounded. So, what's your New Year's Resolution? Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
My take all thing related to this (food, drugs, chemicals, etc) has always been: Until the Government directly pays for my health (ie, pays my health insurance directly), who the hell are they to tell me what I can or can not put into my body? If I am paying the thousands of dollars in health insurance a year, plus the additional medical expenses (no health insurance pays 100% of anything), I figure it's my call what damage I do to myself. When it comes to affecting other people, that's where I think the government has a right to step in (drunk driving laws, etc). Of course, I have no desire for the government to pay for my health insurance, for exactly the above reason: I like making my own decisions. But then again, I'm a smoker, so I may be a bit biased. Jeremy Kimball