155 vs. millions
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155 deaths is all it took to ban ephedra[^] vs. millions of smoking related deaths, and tobacco is still legal[^] The irony of this leaves (no puns intended) me dumbfounded. So, what's your New Year's Resolution? Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
Marc Clifton wrote: The irony of this leaves (no puns intended) me dumbfounded. Ephedra was sold as a cure, when tobacco isn't. To the list of harmful products, you could also add alcohol, cars, food, guns, women... Marc Clifton wrote: New Year's Resolution Survive to new year's eve :rolleyes:
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
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Yes. Fat people should be taxed by the pound, and pay extra for treatment for bad knees, heart problems, back injuries, and airline seats. We need an excise tax on fast food, too, to help offset the huge burden placed on the health care system by people who, from poor dietary habits to plain laziness, allow themselves to become obese. The truly obese should be fined for consuming ice cream in public places, as it is offensive to all right thinking people of normal proportions, and sets a terrible example for impressionable children. And they should all be required to wear a beeper that sounds whenever they back up, for the protection of those stuck behind them in bank and supermarket checkout lines. "Another day done - All targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly" - Jennie A.
Roger Wright wrote: Yes. Fat people should be taxed by the pound, and pay extra for treatment for bad knees, heart problems, back injuries, and airline seats. It seems to me that while this might have an initial benefit, I bet it would actually work against you in the long run - taxing someone extra due to weight would just force them to work longer hours or a second job to maintain their current standard of living, which would just increase their stress (which as we know makes it easier to put on weight) and reduce the time they might have available to exercise or prepare healthier meals. My own experience would bear this out - the less time I spend travelling to/from/at work, and the less stressed out I am, the better I eat and the more I'm inclined to spend time on doing active things. Roger Wright wrote: We need an excise tax on fast food That I could agree with. But given the nature of our society, there is some need for "fast" food, so providing tax breaks to companies who provide healthy and balanced "fast" foods would be good too - that way they could be sold more cheaply than the unhealthy alternatives. -- Ian Darling "The moral of the story is that with a contrived example, you can prove anything." - Joel Spolsky
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155 deaths is all it took to ban ephedra[^] vs. millions of smoking related deaths, and tobacco is still legal[^] The irony of this leaves (no puns intended) me dumbfounded. So, what's your New Year's Resolution? Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
Money :sigh: Elaine (non fluffy tigress) The tigress is here :-D
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Marc Clifton wrote: The irony of this leaves (no puns intended) me dumbfounded. Ephedra was sold as a cure, when tobacco isn't. To the list of harmful products, you could also add alcohol, cars, food, guns, women... Marc Clifton wrote: New Year's Resolution Survive to new year's eve :rolleyes:
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
KaЯl wrote: To the list of harmful products ... women I hate to break it to you Karl, but women are not products. They're slave masters. :rolleyes: -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
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KaЯl wrote: To the list of harmful products ... women I hate to break it to you Karl, but women are not products. They're slave masters. :rolleyes: -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
We are all products, men and women... welcome in a capitalist world! Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: They're slave masters You know, Jörgen, you can do what you want in privacy, I won't judge :-D
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
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We are all products, men and women... welcome in a capitalist world! Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: They're slave masters You know, Jörgen, you can do what you want in privacy, I won't judge :-D
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
KaЯl wrote: We are all products, men and women... welcome in a capitalist world! It may be a capitalist world we live in, but I'll be damned if I'm sold! KaЯl wrote: You know, Jörgen, you can do what you want in privacy, I won't judge Touché! :-D -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
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We are all products, men and women... welcome in a capitalist world! Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: They're slave masters You know, Jörgen, you can do what you want in privacy, I won't judge :-D
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
Hey, did any of your fellow country men educate the Italians in making good wine? For once I'm happy to say that this Italian Merlot tastes very good! Cheers! *hick* :-D (Is that Salut! in french btw?) -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
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KaЯl wrote: We are all products, men and women... welcome in a capitalist world! It may be a capitalist world we live in, but I'll be damned if I'm sold! KaЯl wrote: You know, Jörgen, you can do what you want in privacy, I won't judge Touché! :-D -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: It may be a capitalist world we live in, but I'll be damned if I'm sold! Come on! What's the price of your soul? :-D
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: It may be a capitalist world we live in, but I'll be damned if I'm sold! Come on! What's the price of your soul? :-D
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
KaЯl wrote: What's the price of your soul? Well.. uhm. A case of that Pinot Noir from Bourgogne wine I drank a couple of weeks ago would be nice. :rolleyes: :-D -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
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Hey, did any of your fellow country men educate the Italians in making good wine? For once I'm happy to say that this Italian Merlot tastes very good! Cheers! *hick* :-D (Is that Salut! in french btw?) -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
I'm not sure, but IIRC, it's the opposite, Romans are the ones who learned to Gauls how to make wine. AFAIK, Merlot is mainly used in Bordelais (region of Bordeaux) and in Tessin, a italian-speaking part of Switzerland. I suppose that Californian and Australian producers borrowed it too. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Is that Salut! in french btw?) We would rather say "Santé!", a wish of good health (it comes probably from a time when use of poison was common :-D)
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
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I'm not sure, but IIRC, it's the opposite, Romans are the ones who learned to Gauls how to make wine. AFAIK, Merlot is mainly used in Bordelais (region of Bordeaux) and in Tessin, a italian-speaking part of Switzerland. I suppose that Californian and Australian producers borrowed it too. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Is that Salut! in french btw?) We would rather say "Santé!", a wish of good health (it comes probably from a time when use of poison was common :-D)
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
KaЯl wrote: I'm not sure, but IIRC, it's the opposite, Romans are the ones who learned to Gauls how to make wine. To me it seems that the apprentice became more powerful than his master. Maybe I've been unlucky when it comes to Italian wines, but it still doesn't invalidate my personal wine statistics. What else can I trust than my own taste buds? :) KaЯl wrote: We would rather say "Santé!", a wish of good health (it comes probably from a time when use of poison was common ) Well then, Santé KaЯl! I'm off to the party. Have a good one! Don't spare the wine or the women :-D -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
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KaЯl wrote: To the list of harmful products ... women I hate to break it to you Karl, but women are not products. They're slave masters. :rolleyes: -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
Shhhh ! :laugh: The tigress is here :-D
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KaЯl wrote: What's the price of your soul? Well.. uhm. A case of that Pinot Noir from Bourgogne wine I drank a couple of weeks ago would be nice. :rolleyes: :-D -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
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KaЯl wrote: I'm not sure, but IIRC, it's the opposite, Romans are the ones who learned to Gauls how to make wine. To me it seems that the apprentice became more powerful than his master. Maybe I've been unlucky when it comes to Italian wines, but it still doesn't invalidate my personal wine statistics. What else can I trust than my own taste buds? :) KaЯl wrote: We would rather say "Santé!", a wish of good health (it comes probably from a time when use of poison was common ) Well then, Santé KaЯl! I'm off to the party. Have a good one! Don't spare the wine or the women :-D -- Watcha' gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you!?
:cool:Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: . Maybe I've been unlucky when it comes to Italian wines, but it still doesn't invalidate my personal wine statistics I would tend to agree. Wine at the time of ancient Rome was different of what we know, much more acid and rougher, I suppose many italian wine follow that tradition :-D Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Well then, Santé KaЯl! I'm off to the party. Have a good one! Don't spare the wine or the women Cheers Jörgen, hope to see you in 2004! Carpe Diem, and In Vino Veritas!
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I think all drugs should be legal, but your odds of survival should be printed plainly on the packaging. Marc Clifton wrote: New Year's Resolution? Oddly, to quit smoking. I quit for a few weeks this fall, then started up again occasionally. I'm smoking much,much less than before, but smoking is smoking.
"Things are not what they seem. Nor are they any different."
brianwelsch wrote: I think all drugs should be legal, but your odds of survival should be printed plainly on the packaging. I agree. It shouldn't be illegal for you to put chemicals into your own body.
Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains. ~Robert G. Ingersoll, Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 1
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I'm not sure, but IIRC, it's the opposite, Romans are the ones who learned to Gauls how to make wine. AFAIK, Merlot is mainly used in Bordelais (region of Bordeaux) and in Tessin, a italian-speaking part of Switzerland. I suppose that Californian and Australian producers borrowed it too. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Is that Salut! in french btw?) We would rather say "Santé!", a wish of good health (it comes probably from a time when use of poison was common :-D)
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
KaЯl wrote: We would rather say "Santé!", a wish of good health (it comes probably from a time when use of poison was common ) Ah, those were the days... Poisoning your drinking buddies, stabbing a dagger in someones back for personal gains. :) And if the paths that I have followed/have tread against the flow/there is no need for sorrow I am coming home Return, Crüxshadows
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I think all drugs should be legal, but your odds of survival should be printed plainly on the packaging. Marc Clifton wrote: New Year's Resolution? Oddly, to quit smoking. I quit for a few weeks this fall, then started up again occasionally. I'm smoking much,much less than before, but smoking is smoking.
"Things are not what they seem. Nor are they any different."
brianwelsch wrote: I think all drugs should be legal, but your odds of survival should be printed plainly on the packaging. Absolutly not. This kind of thinking is so .... , leaves me dumb founded. 6 People were killed just a few blocks from my home on the 31st. The drunk driver walked away from it. We are not talking about what drugs do to the individual only here! :mad: "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
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155 deaths is all it took to ban ephedra[^] vs. millions of smoking related deaths, and tobacco is still legal[^] The irony of this leaves (no puns intended) me dumbfounded. So, what's your New Year's Resolution? Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
Marc Clifton wrote: The irony of this leaves (no puns intended) me dumbfounded. Well, how many are killed by alcohol? You can see what banning it did. "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
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brianwelsch wrote: I think all drugs should be legal, but your odds of survival should be printed plainly on the packaging. Absolutly not. This kind of thinking is so .... , leaves me dumb founded. 6 People were killed just a few blocks from my home on the 31st. The drunk driver walked away from it. We are not talking about what drugs do to the individual only here! :mad: "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: We are not talking about what drugs do to the individual only here! Actually, regarding ephedra and smoking we are, but I see your point. I just don't think making drugs illegal is any kind of answer. It's illegal to drink and drive, and look what good the law did for those 6 people. What about the senseless violence caused by smuggling drugs? Or the money the gov't spends in its futile "War on Drugs"? People still drank plenty during prohibition, just like many people get stoned today while all sorts of recreational drugs are illegal. Handling drugs the way we do today is like pissing in the wind. We'd be better off spending that money on educating people, getting some tax revenue off legal sales, lower prices might cause less mugging/robbery, etc. In a nutshell, my viewpoint is that we should let people do essentially what they will, but once they cross the line and hurt others, then lock 'em up or worse.
"Things are not what they seem. Nor are they any different."
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Marc Clifton wrote: The irony of this leaves (no puns intended) me dumbfounded. Well, how many are killed by alcohol? You can see what banning it did. "Don't be so anti-american, would you? KaЯl (to Paul Watson on Baseball Bats) 26 Nov '03 "
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Well, how many are killed by alcohol? You can see what banning it did. Of course. I'm not advocating banning tobacco, but rather totally dumbfounded at the action of the FDA. Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!