my theory
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-> du hast einen allerhöchstens 2-stelligen intelligenzquozient -> aha -> genau, zahlenfolge, keine ticks!
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consider the following: since there're no coincidences (nothing's random, just maybe psychorandom), everything must be calculatable. this means, if someone stops time at an specific instance, knowing about every physical data there is, that person could build up a computer that could go forward and back in time calculating and representing visually the world (including ourselves). if we transfer this into humans we can say that there's nothing but dna and experience, no free will. i'm convinced of this as i'm about the fact that one can raise a healthy baby into a nobelprize winning scientist as well as into a murder (the requirement is naturally total control). this maybe shocking, but i would like to know what you people think of this...
Heisenberg, old son. Heisenberg.
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There are truly random processes. Nuclear decay is a completely random process that is impossible to predict. Cosmic ray bursts are truly random... Stopping time at a given instant does not allow one to predict when an atom will undergo radioactive decay. Therefore, radioactive emissions are non-calculable and, more importantly, non-predictable. Because such events can influence human mortality - that is a randomly generated radioactive particle, could possibly induce terminal cancer in a patient leading to that patient's premature (and since initiated by a random process) random death. Thus, even given all the computing power in the world, you could not reconstruct this persons world-line (or history) accurately. If you could, you could therefore imagine a way to understand and predict random events before they happened. Of course, by the construction of the concept of randomness, this is impossible. Thus, by contradiction, we have proved that your theory cannot be true. Subsequently free will must exist (as numerous philosophers have touted throughout the ages...).
John Theal wrote: There are truly random processes. Nuclear decay is a completely random process that is impossible to predict. Cosmic ray bursts are truly random... John Theal wrote: Subsequently free will must exist (as numerous philosophers have touted throughout the ages...). Thus, your assertion that people are nothing but DNA and experience is not so much an assertion as it is your opinion. It is my opinion that your theory is not correct. The fact that radioactive decay is random does not mean free will exists. In fact, it could very well be the case that random events do occur (so the universe is nondeterministic), and that free will does not exist. What do random events have to do with free will anyway? ------------------------------------------ Law of Nazi Analogies: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. In any debate, Hitler's opinion on the subject is automatically the evil one, so it had better be contrary to the side you're arguing.
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Philipp Roesch wrote: du hast einen allerhöchstens 2-stelligen intelligenzquozient *plonk*
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John Theal wrote: [Theory: No random processes possible] [...]we have proved that your theory cannot be true. Subsequently free will must exist[...] How does the latter conclude from the former? All you can say is that free will
CANexist, not that itmustexist.
Who is 'General Failure'? And why is he reading my harddisk?!?
Within the context of his model....
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Somebody mind explaining this to me in English? -- I'm a shareware signature. Send $5 to use me. Send $10 for the manual.
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It was interesting, until Philip started to speculate on the number of digits in my IQ. As for the *plonk*[^]
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I know what a plonk is :) I was asking about the non-English conversation in the thread. -- I'm a shareware signature. Send $5 to use me. Send $10 for the manual.
ashoooo wrote: I was asking about the non-English conversation in the thread Not worth repeating I guess. Different positions, he won when he mentioned that I got "at max two digits in my IQ".
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consider the following: since there're no coincidences (nothing's random, just maybe psychorandom), everything must be calculatable. this means, if someone stops time at an specific instance, knowing about every physical data there is, that person could build up a computer that could go forward and back in time calculating and representing visually the world (including ourselves). if we transfer this into humans we can say that there's nothing but dna and experience, no free will. i'm convinced of this as i'm about the fact that one can raise a healthy baby into a nobelprize winning scientist as well as into a murder (the requirement is naturally total control). this maybe shocking, but i would like to know what you people think of this...
Philipp Roesch wrote: if we transfer this into humans we can say that there's nothing but dna and experience, no free will. I've been looking into the question of free will for a while now and as unfortunate as it is I think that you might be correct. Theoretically speaking we live in a purely deterministic universe where future events could be calculated and therefore we might not have a free will. Philipp Roesch wrote: i'm convinced of this as i'm about the fact that one can raise a healthy baby into a nobelprize winning scientist as well as into a murder (the requirement is naturally total control). How can you have any control if you do not have any free will? ;-) ------------------------------ http://www.kostya.com/ [^]
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Philipp Roesch wrote: if we transfer this into humans we can say that there's nothing but dna and experience, no free will. I've been looking into the question of free will for a while now and as unfortunate as it is I think that you might be correct. Theoretically speaking we live in a purely deterministic universe where future events could be calculated and therefore we might not have a free will. Philipp Roesch wrote: i'm convinced of this as i'm about the fact that one can raise a healthy baby into a nobelprize winning scientist as well as into a murder (the requirement is naturally total control). How can you have any control if you do not have any free will? ;-) ------------------------------ http://www.kostya.com/ [^]