What is it with everybody saying don't post to Programming Questions to the lounge?
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Most of the time the responses to programming questions are polite but occasionally they are downright rude which makes CP look kinda elitist. People forget that hundreds of new people join CP every day and to be flamed for posting a question in the wrong forum isn't going to inspire confidence is it? More likely that person will never post again - or, more importantly, make any positive contribution in the form of articles or helping others. Remember - courtesy costs nothing.
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Most of the time the responses to programming questions are polite but occasionally they are downright rude which makes CP look kinda elitist. People forget that hundreds of new people join CP every day and to be flamed for posting a question in the wrong forum isn't going to inspire confidence is it? More likely that person will never post again - or, more importantly, make any positive contribution in the form of articles or helping others. Remember - courtesy costs nothing.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Remember - courtesy costs nothing. Except time and energy, which coincidentally, isn't nothing. But don't get me wrong, I believe courtesy should be used heavily, but that some people just lack the effort. -- Joel Lucsy
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
Nick Jacobs wrote: What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. Well, I don't have particularly strong feelings on the matter myself. However, civility is always a two way street. When you knowingly and intentionally disregard the rules of etiquette and courtesy here, you shouldn't be at all surprised when others follow your lead and display little regard for civility in their treatment of you. It's only natural. Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
It's a social experiment._
Q: How much is necessary to stop people from posting programming questions in the lounge.
_First it was almost funny: people who are supposed to have above-average technical intelligence overunning all stop signs put in place with happy ignoranceSome locals flipped, some enjoyed it, some watched. But the sides hardened, prototypical enemy images emerged, and it soon seemed to become an uneven war of the technocrats againt the ignorant: the tone got more harsh, elaborate schemes to weed out programming questions were proposed - and "elaborate" means exactl that: pushing technoloy to the limits. But the solution was simpler: social engineering. Stigmatize everybody who violates the rules of the group, and you are (mostly) done. Nick Jacobs wrote: how many of you actually monitor those other forums That's exactly the point: We are in the Lounge because we don't want to be bothered with other peoples programming questions.
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It's a social experiment._
Q: How much is necessary to stop people from posting programming questions in the lounge.
_First it was almost funny: people who are supposed to have above-average technical intelligence overunning all stop signs put in place with happy ignoranceSome locals flipped, some enjoyed it, some watched. But the sides hardened, prototypical enemy images emerged, and it soon seemed to become an uneven war of the technocrats againt the ignorant: the tone got more harsh, elaborate schemes to weed out programming questions were proposed - and "elaborate" means exactl that: pushing technoloy to the limits. But the solution was simpler: social engineering. Stigmatize everybody who violates the rules of the group, and you are (mostly) done. Nick Jacobs wrote: how many of you actually monitor those other forums That's exactly the point: We are in the Lounge because we don't want to be bothered with other peoples programming questions.
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mlog || Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: We are in the Lounge because we don't want to be bothered with other peoples programming questions :laugh: Fantastic! BW CP Member Homepages
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It's a social experiment._
Q: How much is necessary to stop people from posting programming questions in the lounge.
_First it was almost funny: people who are supposed to have above-average technical intelligence overunning all stop signs put in place with happy ignoranceSome locals flipped, some enjoyed it, some watched. But the sides hardened, prototypical enemy images emerged, and it soon seemed to become an uneven war of the technocrats againt the ignorant: the tone got more harsh, elaborate schemes to weed out programming questions were proposed - and "elaborate" means exactl that: pushing technoloy to the limits. But the solution was simpler: social engineering. Stigmatize everybody who violates the rules of the group, and you are (mostly) done. Nick Jacobs wrote: how many of you actually monitor those other forums That's exactly the point: We are in the Lounge because we don't want to be bothered with other peoples programming questions.
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mlog || Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: That's exactly the point: We are in the Lounge because we don't want to be bothered with other peoples programming questions. :omg: Damn, and to think I've been hanging around here because I heard there was free food and half price drinks during Happy Hour. I've just gotta have a talk with my tour guide... Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
I suspect that having established a culture of not asking programming questions in the lounge, and the site clearly telling people that, sometimes folks get over eager to respond to a question in that way. And I do my best to keep an eye on the forums where I can answer questions regularly. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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I suspect that having established a culture of not asking programming questions in the lounge, and the site clearly telling people that, sometimes folks get over eager to respond to a question in that way. And I do my best to keep an eye on the forums where I can answer questions regularly. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: I suspect that having established a culture of not asking programming questions in the lounge, I don't know. I've been around for a while now and have always seen _some_ sorts of programming questions in the lounge. It just seems that people are much more "Don't ask here" lately. More so in the last couple of months than in the last ~2.5 years I've been hanging around this place. Christian Graus wrote: And I do my best to keep an eye on the forums where I can answer questions regularly. Here, Here! Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
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peterchen wrote: That's exactly the point: We are in the Lounge because we don't want to be bothered with other peoples programming questions. :omg: Damn, and to think I've been hanging around here because I heard there was free food and half price drinks during Happy Hour. I've just gotta have a talk with my tour guide... Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
Christopher Duncan wrote: I heard there was free food and half price drinks during Happy Hour. I just hang around here to meet chicks. Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
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Christopher Duncan wrote: I heard there was free food and half price drinks during Happy Hour. I just hang around here to meet chicks. Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
Roger Wright wrote: I just hang around here to meet chicks. Man, your prospects are even worse than mine... :-D Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
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Christopher Duncan wrote: I heard there was free food and half price drinks during Happy Hour. I just hang around here to meet chicks. Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
Roger Wright wrote: I just hang around here to meet chicks Branching out into poultry farming? :-D Rob Manderson Colin Davies wrote: I'm sure Americans could use more of it, and thus reduce the world supply faster. This of course would be good, because the faster we run out globally, the less chance of pollution there will be. (Talking about the price of petrol) The Soapbox, March 5 2004
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WHAT!! WHAT!!! ANOTHER PROGRAMMING QUESTION ? :bang: :bang: WHOS NEXT ?? :bang: :bang: :smokeing gun: :goes back into the hole:
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Christopher Duncan wrote: I heard there was free food and half price drinks during Happy Hour. I just hang around here to meet chicks. Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
Roger Wright wrote: I just hang around here to meet chicks. Errr, Roger, lets make a deal. We could be a good group on catching chicks, I use your experience, you use my youngness(correct word?) then we devide our hunt. :cool: Mazy "A bank is a place that will lend you money if you can prove that you don't need it." - Bob Hope
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
The Lounge is for downtime. Programming questions in the Lounge are like having your boss show up at the bar after work and ask you a work-related question. BTW: A significant number of us do check out the other forums regularly. If it's not a homework question, and I know the answer, I'll help out. I've even been known to help out on homework questions with pointers to the right direction, if asked nicely. Unfortunately, they usually don't. Most of the time it's My prof says I have to do 'this', 'this' and 'that'. Send me code that does it. :mad:
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
Out of all of the topics posted in reply.... It would seem that there really isn't a good clear definition of what would go in the lounge, and what doesn't. That seems to be the main definition problem. What I consider to be a general, or even a lounge question, might not be a general question to another. What I believe about something being appropriate for the "Lounge" offends other people, and vice versa. I'm sure I'm not the only one that relaxes by reading, etc. more computer stuff. (remember, my original post stated, that yes, the more technical sort of programming questions should be addressed to that particular forum, but what about general issues.) It all makes me wonder just what would happen if there was a "General Technical" questions area versus the Lounge in the sense of what is displayed on the main page. (Key word here, main page). I mean, what would happen if the Lounge wasn't on the main page at all and you HAD to select a specific forum before doing any reading or posting. It does make for an interesting question. Maybe that is something we could have incorporated at somepoint into codeproject down the road. Those of you who are looking for a place to relax could go to the "Lounge". Somebody like me, who relaxes by still reading, researching, experimenting with techincal stuff might visit a "General Purpose" technical area, etc. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....