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Thanks 'Lounge' :-) I went for the laptop over a PC. Now all I need to decide is W2K or XP for my main OS... It'll be running NT on Virtual PC for work so the host operating system is not too important. Can you live without XP? :-D Davy
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Scottish News - Angus Blog, Perth Blog and Dundee BlogDavy Mitchell wrote: Can you live without XP? I hope never to be forced to use XP. I know that's a fantasy, but hope springs eternal. If, before the day arrives that I can no longer buy Win2K, someone releases a decent GUI for Linux I'll switch. We hates XP.... X| Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
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Thanks 'Lounge' :-) I went for the laptop over a PC. Now all I need to decide is W2K or XP for my main OS... It'll be running NT on Virtual PC for work so the host operating system is not too important. Can you live without XP? :-D Davy
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Scottish News - Angus Blog, Perth Blog and Dundee BlogOn sunday I went back to XP after a few weeks of trying W2K out again (from having used XP before that). Here is a list I was keeping of pros and cons. These are things I bumped into while using Windows 2000 Pro after having used Windows XP: What I miss in W2K from WXP - Windows Picture and Fax Viewer - Auto-align (not auto-arrange) desktop icons - Fast bootup and login - Full colour icons in system tray, actually hard to see what status MSN is in - Film-strip listview option - No PSD support for Thumbnail view in listview - Have to use bitmaps for Desktop background - Print support of images from Windows Explorer - Minimise to task-bar feature of Windows Media Player 9 What I don't miss - Stupid fade-to-gray whenever you change a screen setting - All those settings (menu fading and hand holding and etc.) I always turn off in XP are mainly off in W2K Things that blow in W2K - Winamp 5.0 really struggles, worked brilliantly with XP - Does not handle video driver crashes well, XP handled it fine - Radeon 9200 card never could do 1152x864 at 32bppp at 75hz on W2K, works fine on XP - Google bar frequently goes nuts I thought W2K would be faster but I found many apps to be flakier on W2K. My 2 cents :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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On sunday I went back to XP after a few weeks of trying W2K out again (from having used XP before that). Here is a list I was keeping of pros and cons. These are things I bumped into while using Windows 2000 Pro after having used Windows XP: What I miss in W2K from WXP - Windows Picture and Fax Viewer - Auto-align (not auto-arrange) desktop icons - Fast bootup and login - Full colour icons in system tray, actually hard to see what status MSN is in - Film-strip listview option - No PSD support for Thumbnail view in listview - Have to use bitmaps for Desktop background - Print support of images from Windows Explorer - Minimise to task-bar feature of Windows Media Player 9 What I don't miss - Stupid fade-to-gray whenever you change a screen setting - All those settings (menu fading and hand holding and etc.) I always turn off in XP are mainly off in W2K Things that blow in W2K - Winamp 5.0 really struggles, worked brilliantly with XP - Does not handle video driver crashes well, XP handled it fine - Radeon 9200 card never could do 1152x864 at 32bppp at 75hz on W2K, works fine on XP - Google bar frequently goes nuts I thought W2K would be faster but I found many apps to be flakier on W2K. My 2 cents :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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On sunday I went back to XP after a few weeks of trying W2K out again (from having used XP before that). Here is a list I was keeping of pros and cons. These are things I bumped into while using Windows 2000 Pro after having used Windows XP: What I miss in W2K from WXP - Windows Picture and Fax Viewer - Auto-align (not auto-arrange) desktop icons - Fast bootup and login - Full colour icons in system tray, actually hard to see what status MSN is in - Film-strip listview option - No PSD support for Thumbnail view in listview - Have to use bitmaps for Desktop background - Print support of images from Windows Explorer - Minimise to task-bar feature of Windows Media Player 9 What I don't miss - Stupid fade-to-gray whenever you change a screen setting - All those settings (menu fading and hand holding and etc.) I always turn off in XP are mainly off in W2K Things that blow in W2K - Winamp 5.0 really struggles, worked brilliantly with XP - Does not handle video driver crashes well, XP handled it fine - Radeon 9200 card never could do 1152x864 at 32bppp at 75hz on W2K, works fine on XP - Google bar frequently goes nuts I thought W2K would be faster but I found many apps to be flakier on W2K. My 2 cents :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Good points, Paul, and to be fair, the things you like in XP are features I don't use. The choice of an OS depends very much upon the user's needs. Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
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Good points, Paul, and to be fair, the things you like in XP are features I don't use. The choice of an OS depends very much upon the user's needs. Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
Very true, Roger. I do a lot of image editing and after the image features of Windows XP I found Windows 2000 quite lacking. I actually think we are pretty fortunate in having the option of two great operating systems. Windows 2000 and Windows 2000 + Media Capibilities (i.e. Windows XP). You hardcore lot can be happy with your W2K while us script kiddies can be happy with our pretty Windows XP* :) * Actually I run Windows XP on the Windows Classic theme regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Very true, Roger. I do a lot of image editing and after the image features of Windows XP I found Windows 2000 quite lacking. I actually think we are pretty fortunate in having the option of two great operating systems. Windows 2000 and Windows 2000 + Media Capibilities (i.e. Windows XP). You hardcore lot can be happy with your W2K while us script kiddies can be happy with our pretty Windows XP* :) * Actually I run Windows XP on the Windows Classic theme regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Paul Watson wrote: us script kiddies can be happy with our pretty Windows XP* :laugh::laugh: Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
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Davy Mitchell wrote: Can you live without XP? I hope never to be forced to use XP. I know that's a fantasy, but hope springs eternal. If, before the day arrives that I can no longer buy Win2K, someone releases a decent GUI for Linux I'll switch. We hates XP.... X| Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
Roger Wright wrote: We hates XP.... Funny, all folks that has to do real work seems to.
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Paul Watson wrote: us script kiddies can be happy with our pretty Windows XP* :laugh::laugh: Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
Had never used XP before starting my new job, but have to say that after 3 months, I utterly despise it....stability? What stability - on a GOOD day I have to restart my machine twice after hangs.... Yes it does get to the desktop alot more quickly that 2K, but as far as I can see, you can't actually DO anything for about the same amount of time - seems to me that whereas 2K starts services etc before showing the desktop, XP shows the DT then carries on starting stuff....but perhaps I'm a bit cynical.... Am in the process of convincing our directors to drop XP and let me revert to 2K.... Of course it could just be a flaky machine... "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
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Had never used XP before starting my new job, but have to say that after 3 months, I utterly despise it....stability? What stability - on a GOOD day I have to restart my machine twice after hangs.... Yes it does get to the desktop alot more quickly that 2K, but as far as I can see, you can't actually DO anything for about the same amount of time - seems to me that whereas 2K starts services etc before showing the desktop, XP shows the DT then carries on starting stuff....but perhaps I'm a bit cynical.... Am in the process of convincing our directors to drop XP and let me revert to 2K.... Of course it could just be a flaky machine... "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
RichardGrimmer wrote: Of course it could just be a flaky machine... I would suggest that's more likely. My XP machines (work and home) are very reliable. No bluescreens (apart fom an incident at work involving a dodgy graphics driver and the Pocket PC 2002 Emulator). And this is for 18 months or so's usage.
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On sunday I went back to XP after a few weeks of trying W2K out again (from having used XP before that). Here is a list I was keeping of pros and cons. These are things I bumped into while using Windows 2000 Pro after having used Windows XP: What I miss in W2K from WXP - Windows Picture and Fax Viewer - Auto-align (not auto-arrange) desktop icons - Fast bootup and login - Full colour icons in system tray, actually hard to see what status MSN is in - Film-strip listview option - No PSD support for Thumbnail view in listview - Have to use bitmaps for Desktop background - Print support of images from Windows Explorer - Minimise to task-bar feature of Windows Media Player 9 What I don't miss - Stupid fade-to-gray whenever you change a screen setting - All those settings (menu fading and hand holding and etc.) I always turn off in XP are mainly off in W2K Things that blow in W2K - Winamp 5.0 really struggles, worked brilliantly with XP - Does not handle video driver crashes well, XP handled it fine - Radeon 9200 card never could do 1152x864 at 32bppp at 75hz on W2K, works fine on XP - Google bar frequently goes nuts I thought W2K would be faster but I found many apps to be flakier on W2K. My 2 cents :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Even though i have installed XP, for some reason i dont like the UI. the title bas is BIG BLUE colored something.... So i switched the UI using the display settings which now looks more or less like win2k... The start menu now looks prtty desent now. But then its my home pc, i use it only for surfing the net and its at office where i use win2k.
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Had never used XP before starting my new job, but have to say that after 3 months, I utterly despise it....stability? What stability - on a GOOD day I have to restart my machine twice after hangs.... Yes it does get to the desktop alot more quickly that 2K, but as far as I can see, you can't actually DO anything for about the same amount of time - seems to me that whereas 2K starts services etc before showing the desktop, XP shows the DT then carries on starting stuff....but perhaps I'm a bit cynical.... Am in the process of convincing our directors to drop XP and let me revert to 2K.... Of course it could just be a flaky machine... "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
RichardGrimmer wrote: Had never used XP before starting my new job, but have to say that after 3 months, I utterly despise it....stability? What stability - on a GOOD day I have to restart my machine twice after hangs.... are you absolutely positive that it's not a problem with H/W video drivers network cards or other stuff. In my experience (shared with a lot of my colleagues) XP might be a bit slower on some things but it's absolutely more stable. don't be surprised if your W2K installation will be just as unstable as your XP installation. good luck
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RichardGrimmer wrote: Had never used XP before starting my new job, but have to say that after 3 months, I utterly despise it....stability? What stability - on a GOOD day I have to restart my machine twice after hangs.... are you absolutely positive that it's not a problem with H/W video drivers network cards or other stuff. In my experience (shared with a lot of my colleagues) XP might be a bit slower on some things but it's absolutely more stable. don't be surprised if your W2K installation will be just as unstable as your XP installation. good luck
Hmmmm...gives me something to think about... Suffering no blue screens, but am getting spontaneous restarts and hangs though - integrated VC, so don't think that's the culprit - may be office 2K3 though.... "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
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Thanks 'Lounge' :-) I went for the laptop over a PC. Now all I need to decide is W2K or XP for my main OS... It'll be running NT on Virtual PC for work so the host operating system is not too important. Can you live without XP? :-D Davy
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Scottish News - Angus Blog, Perth Blog and Dundee BlogDavy Mitchell wrote: I went for the laptop over a PC. Now all I need to decide is W2K or XP for my main OS...It'll be running NT on Virtual PC for work so the host operating system is not too important. Can you live without XP? So, as a suggestion, use Linux as the Host OS and VMWare: a Linux with all the services down will eat only around 16MB RAM and there are some kernels that are very VM friendly... Perl combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski
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Hmmmm...gives me something to think about... Suffering no blue screens, but am getting spontaneous restarts and hangs though - integrated VC, so don't think that's the culprit - may be office 2K3 though.... "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
RichardGrimmer wrote: Suffering no blue screens, but am getting spontaneous restarts and hangs though - integrated VC, so don't think that's the culprit - may be office 2K3 though.... could be a network card/cable problem. With my old network cable (where the pin that locks it into place had come of) I had these problems also (esp hangs) on both XP & W2K. Try it without the network cable connected & see if that helps (or disable the card in the computer managemet) restarts without bluescreens :~ I hate those. It can only be drivers/hardware or MS code that crashes your machine like that :~
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Roger Wright wrote: We hates XP.... Funny, all folks that has to do real work seems to.
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Had never used XP before starting my new job, but have to say that after 3 months, I utterly despise it....stability? What stability - on a GOOD day I have to restart my machine twice after hangs.... Yes it does get to the desktop alot more quickly that 2K, but as far as I can see, you can't actually DO anything for about the same amount of time - seems to me that whereas 2K starts services etc before showing the desktop, XP shows the DT then carries on starting stuff....but perhaps I'm a bit cynical.... Am in the process of convincing our directors to drop XP and let me revert to 2K.... Of course it could just be a flaky machine... "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
RichardGrimmer wrote: I have to restart my machine twice after hangs.... Much as I despise XP I wouldn't blame it for this. There's something dodgy about the machine, or the combination of drivers installed. The only instability I've seen in XP is that, on a small peer-to-peer network the connections to remote printers and shares seem to get lost regularly. That could be as much the wireless connections as the OS, though I lean toward XP being at fault because it insists on damaging the Lucent software with its non-functional wireless drivers. The built in wireless drivers in XP are not compatible with ORiNOCO products, but XP tries to use them anyway - it takes some juggling to foil its efforts. Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
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Thanks 'Lounge' :-) I went for the laptop over a PC. Now all I need to decide is W2K or XP for my main OS... It'll be running NT on Virtual PC for work so the host operating system is not too important. Can you live without XP? :-D Davy
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Scottish News - Angus Blog, Perth Blog and Dundee BlogContrary to all advice here, I like Win XP. I use XP Pro at both home and work. It works great (I use the Windows 2000 interface, with all UI gimmicks turned off). Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers