Interesting Thread - Learning how to improve your app
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Hey all, Quite an interesting thread over at the Dexterity Forums. Basically, it talks about if you run a small company selling your own app online, then you may want to think about tracking how the app is being used in order to improve upon it. It talks about the fine line between gathering stats and going too far and getting labeled as spyware. Definately worth a read if you are, or have considered, gathering usage stats from within your application! http://www.dexterity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1528[^] -- Edward Livingston (aka ExtraLean) -- "I still maintain that seeing a nipple is far less disturbing than seeing someone get their brains blown out." -- Chris Maunder
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Hey all, Quite an interesting thread over at the Dexterity Forums. Basically, it talks about if you run a small company selling your own app online, then you may want to think about tracking how the app is being used in order to improve upon it. It talks about the fine line between gathering stats and going too far and getting labeled as spyware. Definately worth a read if you are, or have considered, gathering usage stats from within your application! http://www.dexterity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1528[^] -- Edward Livingston (aka ExtraLean) -- "I still maintain that seeing a nipple is far less disturbing than seeing someone get their brains blown out." -- Chris Maunder
This is exactly why I test software out on a trial laptop first. It isn't any of the developers business unless I fill out a form on his webpage. Yes I would love to know a bunch of things, from my software. But its just freakin' wrong. I really don't care about all of the arguements, he claims are good. This one should just start off fireworks. QUOTE I fully admit we're not nearly as open about it as we should be and indeed, wording is being modified in the license. END QUOTE
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Hey all, Quite an interesting thread over at the Dexterity Forums. Basically, it talks about if you run a small company selling your own app online, then you may want to think about tracking how the app is being used in order to improve upon it. It talks about the fine line between gathering stats and going too far and getting labeled as spyware. Definately worth a read if you are, or have considered, gathering usage stats from within your application! http://www.dexterity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1528[^] -- Edward Livingston (aka ExtraLean) -- "I still maintain that seeing a nipple is far less disturbing than seeing someone get their brains blown out." -- Chris Maunder
Hey, I'm jealous: BS is on their forums, now! :-D Perl combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski
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This is exactly why I test software out on a trial laptop first. It isn't any of the developers business unless I fill out a form on his webpage. Yes I would love to know a bunch of things, from my software. But its just freakin' wrong. I really don't care about all of the arguements, he claims are good. This one should just start off fireworks. QUOTE I fully admit we're not nearly as open about it as we should be and indeed, wording is being modified in the license. END QUOTE
Ditto on that! [edit] I must be getting old because I voted 5 for the wrong message at first. :rolleyes: [/edit] Jeremy Falcon
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This is exactly why I test software out on a trial laptop first. It isn't any of the developers business unless I fill out a form on his webpage. Yes I would love to know a bunch of things, from my software. But its just freakin' wrong. I really don't care about all of the arguements, he claims are good. This one should just start off fireworks. QUOTE I fully admit we're not nearly as open about it as we should be and indeed, wording is being modified in the license. END QUOTE
Cisco4321 wrote: I really don't care about all of the arguements, he claims are good. This one should just start off fireworks. Even if there is absolutely *no* personal information sent, and the user has to agree to sending the info? -- Edward Livingston (aka ExtraLean) -- "I still maintain that seeing a nipple is far less disturbing than seeing someone get their brains blown out." -- Chris Maunder
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Cisco4321 wrote: I really don't care about all of the arguements, he claims are good. This one should just start off fireworks. Even if there is absolutely *no* personal information sent, and the user has to agree to sending the info? -- Edward Livingston (aka ExtraLean) -- "I still maintain that seeing a nipple is far less disturbing than seeing someone get their brains blown out." -- Chris Maunder
Even if no personal info is sent! The problem is: Lets put this in place. Now prove to me that you aren't sending personal info. And if you are sneaky enough to "modify" the wording in the license agreement, then how ethical/moral are you to not go the next step. There really doesn't seem to be a big leap between the two. Also, no one should just write an application to do something with my system that I am not fully aware of. why do I even bother trying to bitch about these morons?
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Even if no personal info is sent! The problem is: Lets put this in place. Now prove to me that you aren't sending personal info. And if you are sneaky enough to "modify" the wording in the license agreement, then how ethical/moral are you to not go the next step. There really doesn't seem to be a big leap between the two. Also, no one should just write an application to do something with my system that I am not fully aware of. why do I even bother trying to bitch about these morons?
I think you are missing the point (partially). Cisco4321 wrote: Also, no one should just write an application to do something with my system that I am not fully aware of. That is exactly what I mean... what if you *were* aware of everything that is sent, and given the opportunity to *prevent* it from being sent? How is this a problem? I guess it comes down to trust, as you say, it can't be *proved* that no personal info is being sent, but if you have a trust built up with your customers many of them will gladly send anonymous info back to you if you ask them nicely. Especially if you tell them it will help you make a better product for them in the future. I see no harm in that. :-D Just my $0.02, YMMV. -- Edward Livingston (aka ExtraLean) -- "I still maintain that seeing a nipple is far less disturbing than seeing someone get their brains blown out." -- Chris Maunder