Help me test this webpage please?
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I've just finished building the front page template for my new client's website, and I've constructed it entirely with CSS. I only have access to Mozilla and IE6+, though, so I was hoping someone could test it in IE5.0 and IE5.5 and possibly whatever is standard on most Macs. http://innerbrisbane.netlab.com.au/homepage.htm[^] and without the CSS: http://innerbrisbane.netlab.com.au/homepage_nocss.htm[^] NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
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I've just finished building the front page template for my new client's website, and I've constructed it entirely with CSS. I only have access to Mozilla and IE6+, though, so I was hoping someone could test it in IE5.0 and IE5.5 and possibly whatever is standard on most Macs. http://innerbrisbane.netlab.com.au/homepage.htm[^] and without the CSS: http://innerbrisbane.netlab.com.au/homepage_nocss.htm[^] NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
IE5: Looks perfect IE5.5 Mac: Perfect You should try BrowserCam for testing if you don't have your own machines. I would not normally point this out but you did claim CSS compliance so I assume you are shooting for standards. You need a proper doctype and header section, here is one we use:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">It is important because with that header the browsers won't run in quirks mode, which is a good thing when you are doing good XHTML and CSS. Often a CSS tip won't work if the browser is running in quirks mode. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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I've just finished building the front page template for my new client's website, and I've constructed it entirely with CSS. I only have access to Mozilla and IE6+, though, so I was hoping someone could test it in IE5.0 and IE5.5 and possibly whatever is standard on most Macs. http://innerbrisbane.netlab.com.au/homepage.htm[^] and without the CSS: http://innerbrisbane.netlab.com.au/homepage_nocss.htm[^] NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
Both look OK in Opera, 7.32 Windows version and Opera 6.05
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I've just finished building the front page template for my new client's website, and I've constructed it entirely with CSS. I only have access to Mozilla and IE6+, though, so I was hoping someone could test it in IE5.0 and IE5.5 and possibly whatever is standard on most Macs. http://innerbrisbane.netlab.com.au/homepage.htm[^] and without the CSS: http://innerbrisbane.netlab.com.au/homepage_nocss.htm[^] NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
There's no background colour on the page (either version). Some folks say that's poor, some folks don't give a flying frog. Just thought I'd mention it. Looks good on Safari though. (Jaguar) Cheers Steven
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I've just finished building the front page template for my new client's website, and I've constructed it entirely with CSS. I only have access to Mozilla and IE6+, though, so I was hoping someone could test it in IE5.0 and IE5.5 and possibly whatever is standard on most Macs. http://innerbrisbane.netlab.com.au/homepage.htm[^] and without the CSS: http://innerbrisbane.netlab.com.au/homepage_nocss.htm[^] NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
I only have IE6+ and Firefox, so can't really help you. But I just wanted to say that I love the design! I'm a really big fan of CSS. It is a very elegant way of separating design and presentation from content. Good stuff! Visit Riverside Internet[^] Visit Mike Puddephat Online[^]
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IE5: Looks perfect IE5.5 Mac: Perfect You should try BrowserCam for testing if you don't have your own machines. I would not normally point this out but you did claim CSS compliance so I assume you are shooting for standards. You need a proper doctype and header section, here is one we use:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">It is important because with that header the browsers won't run in quirks mode, which is a good thing when you are doing good XHTML and CSS. Often a CSS tip won't work if the browser is running in quirks mode. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Thanks very much for pointing this out Paul. BrowserCam, where have you been all my life! What a great service. :-D
regards, Stephen Owens
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IE5: Looks perfect IE5.5 Mac: Perfect You should try BrowserCam for testing if you don't have your own machines. I would not normally point this out but you did claim CSS compliance so I assume you are shooting for standards. You need a proper doctype and header section, here is one we use:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">It is important because with that header the browsers won't run in quirks mode, which is a good thing when you are doing good XHTML and CSS. Often a CSS tip won't work if the browser is running in quirks mode. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Except that he's not using XHTML, thus shouldn't use the namespaces. The DOCTYPE he has is correct, too, which is:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
Maybe he got your message and added the propery DOCTYPE after, though, I was just stating that he shouldn't declare his document as XHTML to avoid confusion.
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There's no background colour on the page (either version). Some folks say that's poor, some folks don't give a flying frog. Just thought I'd mention it. Looks good on Safari though. (Jaguar) Cheers Steven
Except professionals say it's tacky. Why is used by practically every good major site and appeals to users with a professional tone. Quit using AOL user pages as the norm and study actual web design guidelines.
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I've just finished building the front page template for my new client's website, and I've constructed it entirely with CSS. I only have access to Mozilla and IE6+, though, so I was hoping someone could test it in IE5.0 and IE5.5 and possibly whatever is standard on most Macs. http://innerbrisbane.netlab.com.au/homepage.htm[^] and without the CSS: http://innerbrisbane.netlab.com.au/homepage_nocss.htm[^] NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
I realize that you're just testing the homepage and that's probably why none of the links are even proper URLs, but I did want to point out that your homepage title is still "Untitled Document".
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Except that he's not using XHTML, thus shouldn't use the namespaces. The DOCTYPE he has is correct, too, which is:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
Maybe he got your message and added the propery DOCTYPE after, though, I was just stating that he shouldn't declare his document as XHTML to avoid confusion.
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Part of his code is XHTML, his doctype isn't. For instance
<input type="submit" class="submitbutton" id="newsletter_submit" value="" />
but the meta-tags are not XML valid. I was just suggesting he use the XHTML standard seeing as he is doing a good job of the CSS. He is a line or two away from it so might as well. Also it makes for debugging CSS quirks easier. Also
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">is not a valid doctype, it does not have the fully qualified URL. If HTML 4.01 Transitional is what he wants then he should use:<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
This has become a programming question :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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I realize that you're just testing the homepage and that's probably why none of the links are even proper URLs, but I did want to point out that your homepage title is still "Untitled Document".
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Yep, just noticed that myself, thanks :) NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
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Except professionals say it's tacky. Why is used by practically every good major site and appeals to users with a professional tone. Quit using AOL user pages as the norm and study actual web design guidelines.
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I'm confused? Does he mean I shouldn't use white for the background colour? Or I should specify white explicitly? If the former, then I disagree. If the latter, I still don't see the point. NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
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Both look OK in Opera, 7.32 Windows version and Opera 6.05
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Ah good stuff, thanks :) NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
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IE5: Looks perfect IE5.5 Mac: Perfect You should try BrowserCam for testing if you don't have your own machines. I would not normally point this out but you did claim CSS compliance so I assume you are shooting for standards. You need a proper doctype and header section, here is one we use:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">It is important because with that header the browsers won't run in quirks mode, which is a good thing when you are doing good XHTML and CSS. Often a CSS tip won't work if the browser is running in quirks mode. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Excellent, that's great to hear, thanks! As far as CSS compliance, I guess I was more just shooting for making it look correct in all the standard stuff in use today. I'll certainly stick in that extra stuff though. If I'm so close to real compliance, why not finish it off, hey? :) By the way, thanks for the browsercam link. NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
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I'm confused? Does he mean I shouldn't use white for the background colour? Or I should specify white explicitly? If the former, then I disagree. If the latter, I still don't see the point. NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
If in the former case, then what I said definitely applies. In the latter case, it would be because browsers have default settings for certain colors, like page backgrounds. Old IE and Netscape used gray. If you didn't specify a white background, anyone with a non-white default color of white would see your page in a way you don't desire them to see it.
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