A Viral Conspiracy?
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Thanks. Now how do you pronounce that? vi-ri, ve-ree, vi-ree? And just who makes these rules anyway? *paul wanders off to find an oxford dictionary* regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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There are known cases of policeman setting people up for crimes and busting them to win aclaim. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
What do you define as "setup"? Sure, police often try to use "sting" or "setup" operations to try to catch somebody they already think is a criminal but need difinitive proof. But you may be talking about something different. Sometimes I feel like I'm a USB printer in a parallel universe.
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What do you define as "setup"? Sure, police often try to use "sting" or "setup" operations to try to catch somebody they already think is a criminal but need difinitive proof. But you may be talking about something different. Sometimes I feel like I'm a USB printer in a parallel universe.
I believe they are referring more to cases where police have actually planted evidence on a person, in their vehicle, in their home, etc.
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What do you define as "setup"? Sure, police often try to use "sting" or "setup" operations to try to catch somebody they already think is a criminal but need difinitive proof. But you may be talking about something different. Sometimes I feel like I'm a USB printer in a parallel universe.
Right, different to that. What will happen is a cop will approach a potential or known criminal and offer them a sweet deal without approval from his superiors. Sting operations require tons of paperwork, in this case the cop won't do any of this. He will then wait for the criminal to do the deed and bust him in the process. He then hauls the criminal in front of his peers and superiors and they applaud him for his good work. The criminal can squeal of course but it is the cop's word against the criminal's. The cop can then get promotion or accolades for his good work. So it is an illegal sting of sorts. The cop is creating the situation for the criminal to commit a crime but without approval. He may rope in other cops to help him out and then they all get rewards. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Right, different to that. What will happen is a cop will approach a potential or known criminal and offer them a sweet deal without approval from his superiors. Sting operations require tons of paperwork, in this case the cop won't do any of this. He will then wait for the criminal to do the deed and bust him in the process. He then hauls the criminal in front of his peers and superiors and they applaud him for his good work. The criminal can squeal of course but it is the cop's word against the criminal's. The cop can then get promotion or accolades for his good work. So it is an illegal sting of sorts. The cop is creating the situation for the criminal to commit a crime but without approval. He may rope in other cops to help him out and then they all get rewards. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
I think encouraging renegade cops is a dangerous game. I'm not some wuss who screams about human rights violations. While giving cops a free rein to do things in gray areas can give results now ,in the long run I think it'll hurt society badly. Atleast in India I think there are more than a few incidents of police high handedness in dealing with citizens. The point I'm trying to make is once they get used to doing things their way we may not be able to rein them in " Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill ? "
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What do you define as "setup"? Sure, police often try to use "sting" or "setup" operations to try to catch somebody they already think is a criminal but need difinitive proof. But you may be talking about something different. Sometimes I feel like I'm a USB printer in a parallel universe.
I remember a case where a police officer in New Orleans robbed a store and came back to handle the case.
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An interesting question that I've always pondered is "Do antivirus companies write virii and worms themselves?" It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this?
An old friend told me that he made his living like that when he was just starting out. I don't remember what company it was that he worked for, but he was an honest guy in general. Regards, Jeff Varszegi EEEP! An Extensible Expression Evaluation Package
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create criminals? It would be the perfect way to guarantee that they stay in business and that budgets keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? Does drug companies create viruses? It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? :rolleyes: Due to technical difficulties my previous signature, "I see dumb people" will be off until further notice. Too many people were thinking I was talking about them... :sigh:
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An interesting question that I've always pondered is "Do antivirus companies write virii and worms themselves?" It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this?
It is easier and less risky to just tout the hype how dangerous they are, and just maybe in one or other case just "forget" about evidence of origin they might find when taking apart a virus.
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>Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? Actually law enforcement all over the world has been involved in organised crime. Here in S.A. weapons are bought and sold by criminals through police channels. Drugs are lifted from evidence lockers by insiders. Police are paid to destroy or change evidence by criminals. Police run shebeens (illegal bars) knowing they won't get busted because they are the busters. Police are paid to let their guard down on key witnesses in criminal cases so that the offender can take the witness out. The list goes on. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Disclaimer: I've been thrown into the cells once here in SA for NO REASON whatsoever :-) BUT, when you think about it, these guys make something like 2 or 3000 Rands a month and for that, we expect them to risk their lives for us. So in a way, I can understand their corruption, I don't condone it, but I can understand it :-) Woke up this morning...and got myself a blog
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create criminals? It would be the perfect way to guarantee that they stay in business and that budgets keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? Does drug companies create viruses? It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? :rolleyes: Due to technical difficulties my previous signature, "I see dumb people" will be off until further notice. Too many people were thinking I was talking about them... :sigh:
Daniel Turini wrote: Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? Not me. Daniel Turini wrote: Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? Not really. :) Later, JoeSox "What I like to drink most is wine that belongs to others." -- Diogenes Laërtius joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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Fair enough but the chap above was asking whether anti-virus companies create what they claim to stop. It doesn't matter if the dictionary says an anti-virus company is one which stops a virus when the companies calling themselves anti-virus companies are making the viruses*. And when does "policemen are doing it" become "the police are doign it"? 1 out of 5? 1 out of 2? All of them? Or are you arguing semantics and intent of the institution? * What is the conclusion on the plural of virus anyway? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
It's "viruses". No ifs, ands, or buts. You can probably find some "hAx0rZzZzZ" dictionary somewhere that'll patiently explain in farged-up language that it's "virii", but it's not correct. I have the OED at home, and I'll check it when I get home; I'm sure it'll be in there as slang, but even that wouldn't make it the correct, preferred form. Regards, Jeff Varszegi EEEP! An Extensible Expression Evaluation Package
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An interesting question that I've always pondered is "Do antivirus companies write virii and worms themselves?" It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this?
Johnathon Dupuis wrote: "Do antivirus companies write virii and worms themselves?" It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this As a former Norton AntiVirus team member (5+ years) I can say: absolutely not. For three reasons: 1. It would be illegal (or at the very least, unethical) 2. It would ruin the company's reputation 3. We don't need to 1 and 2 should be obvious. As for 3, with the advent of VBA macro viruses, it's so easy for anyone to write potentially damaging code that any kid with some free time can try his hand at it. There are also apps that you can run, they ask you for a few parameters (name, polymorphic or not, etc.) and they will generate viruses for you. And for anyone who doubts that viruses are an actual problem, I will gladly show you the number of "Microsoft security patches" that my spam/virus filter catches. --Mike-- Personal stuff:: Ericahist | Homepage Shareware stuff:: 1ClickPicGrabber | RightClick-Encrypt CP stuff:: CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ ---- "die" ahhhh! "diet" AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
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An interesting question that I've always pondered is "Do antivirus companies write virii and worms themselves?" It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this?
Interesting question...though source code to most of the worst viruses, trojans, and worms are freely available. So anyone can make one and name it to their liking but will likely be listed as an xyz variant of the original by the av company unless much of the code was changed. Saying that, I could see av companies pulling a move such as that if the os had its own integrated virus scanner.:)
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>Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? Actually law enforcement all over the world has been involved in organised crime. Here in S.A. weapons are bought and sold by criminals through police channels. Drugs are lifted from evidence lockers by insiders. Police are paid to destroy or change evidence by criminals. Police run shebeens (illegal bars) knowing they won't get busted because they are the busters. Police are paid to let their guard down on key witnesses in criminal cases so that the offender can take the witness out. The list goes on. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
That's completely different than what Daniel said. His delightfully sardonic response to the original post was asking if the police commit crimes in order to be caught so that the police continue to have jobs to do. In your example of corrupt police, they aren't planning on getting caught. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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An interesting question that I've always pondered is "Do antivirus companies write virii and worms themselves?" It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this?
THey used to do it. I know for a fact MacAfee did it in the mid 90's.
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That's completely different than what Daniel said. His delightfully sardonic response to the original post was asking if the police commit crimes in order to be caught so that the police continue to have jobs to do. In your example of corrupt police, they aren't planning on getting caught. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
>if the police commit crimes in order to be caught But that is completely different to the virus company as to viruses issue. Cops catching bent coppers won't sustain themselves either, not in an efficient manner. From his reply of "policeman" vs. "police" I twigged to the brilliance of his first reply. But it was changing the viewpoint :) Anyway, it is Friday, time for some low brow posts. :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Disclaimer: I've been thrown into the cells once here in SA for NO REASON whatsoever :-) BUT, when you think about it, these guys make something like 2 or 3000 Rands a month and for that, we expect them to risk their lives for us. So in a way, I can understand their corruption, I don't condone it, but I can understand it :-) Woke up this morning...and got myself a blog
>I've been thrown into the cells once here in SA for NO REASON whatsoever Probably because you are black and not from South Africa. I don't envy non-South Africans trying to live and work in this country what with all the paranoia over illegal immigrants. You guys get a rough deal. And yes, what can we expect from an unmotivated police force. IT is the same all over the world though. The people who protect and save our lives are the worst paid. Firemen, policemen, hospital staff, emergency services, civic workers etc. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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create criminals? It would be the perfect way to guarantee that they stay in business and that budgets keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? Does drug companies create viruses? It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? :rolleyes: Due to technical difficulties my previous signature, "I see dumb people" will be off until further notice. Too many people were thinking I was talking about them... :sigh:
Just got reminded of the Copland movie :)