yawhee....today at midnight EU grows
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Today at midnight EU will grow up to a population of 455 Million people !!!....isn't that great?! I mean people and countries which were fighting against each other in so many wars in the past are now peacefully together in EU... (ok, it sounds a little bit exaggerated...but the fact that my generation didn't experienced a war directly is because of unions like EU).
SJ_Phoenix wrote: I mean people and countries which were fighting against each other in so many wars in the past are now peacefully together in EU... We all still hate each other, war just got more expensive. Peace is just a matter of economics, at the moment it is more cost effective to play nice rather than to roll our tanks into Poland. ;-) Michael CP Blog [^]
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A 1 not because you are wrong but because that was just an ugly thing to say. So how do you like them new Ay-rab children of yours? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
I thought it (the concept of the EU) was Churchill's idea - but he needed the backing of the USA. I may be wrong - I haven't double checked, but it was something I remember from history lessons in School. (Along with the fact that Gorbachev could say BS in 14 languages)
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar Coming soon: The Second EuroCPian Event
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And all thanks to the USA. It is good to see our children growing up so nicely!
Glano perictu com sahni delorin!
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yes you are right, my generation isn't dead yet and could still experience war directly....but should we be that pessimistic?! ...maybe you know the proverb "hope dies at last" ;) and kidding aside...due to unions like NATO or EU it's more likely that there won't be war in Europe at least in the next decades...
SJ_Phoenix wrote: but should we be that pessimistic?! . It is much better to be pessimistic and be pleasantly suprised then it is to be optomistic and be devestated with a little bad news. In general its a matter of your viewpoint. If I have half a glass of wine in MY hand I tend to think of it as half empty - if its in yours I tend to think its half full. Who's to say which is correct. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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Czech republic :jig: But there are still lot of restrictions for people from new member countries. For example it isn't possible to work in all EU countries (I think that no restrictions are only in UK, Ireland and Sweden).
Tomáš Petříček
www.eeeksoft.net | Photos | Fractal SnowA hearty welcome. You've only got 33 minutes to go (at least by my clock). :-D :beer:
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar Coming soon: The Second EuroCPian Event
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I bet you are a barrel of laughs at a party ;) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Damn straight. I do killer imitations of Richard Nixon meeting Jimmy Carter. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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A hearty welcome. You've only got 33 minutes to go (at least by my clock). :-D :beer:
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar Coming soon: The Second EuroCPian Event
:cool: :jig: :cool: [EDIT]Current time: 0:05 05/01/2004[/EDIT]
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SJ_Phoenix wrote: but should we be that pessimistic?! . It is much better to be pessimistic and be pleasantly suprised then it is to be optomistic and be devestated with a little bad news. In general its a matter of your viewpoint. If I have half a glass of wine in MY hand I tend to think of it as half empty - if its in yours I tend to think its half full. Who's to say which is correct. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
Richard Stringer wrote: It is much better to be pessimistic and be pleasantly suprised then it is to be optomistic and be devestated with a little bad news I don't agree - An optimist is a person who can turn bad news into an opportunity. Therefore they would not be devestated with a little bad news. A pessemist, on the other hand, is more likely to be devestated by a little bad news because of their pessimistic nature they are likely to blow the news out of all proportion. On the half full/empty question? My cup runneth over!
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar Coming soon: The Second EuroCPian Event
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:cool: :jig: :cool: [EDIT]Current time: 0:05 05/01/2004[/EDIT]
Tomáš Petříček
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"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar Coming soon: The Second EuroCPian Event
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And all thanks to the USA. It is good to see our children growing up so nicely!
Glano perictu com sahni delorin!
Its only good when they goose-step in line though, eh? Damn French and their notions of Free Will and Sovereignty.
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no currency will be removed tonight...currency and joining EU are two different things...for instance Great Britain doesn't have the euro as currency (not yet?!) 10 countries are joining....among them many eastern european countries like Poland, Slovakia or Latvia ....and the greek part of Cyprus and Malta.
>Great Britain doesn't have the euro as currency (not yet?!) Won't happen for a long. long time IMHO - not with Rupert Murdoch in such a influential position!
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I thought it (the concept of the EU) was Churchill's idea - but he needed the backing of the USA. I may be wrong - I haven't double checked, but it was something I remember from history lessons in School. (Along with the fact that Gorbachev could say BS in 14 languages)
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar Coming soon: The Second EuroCPian Event
>I thought it (the concept of the EU) was Churchill's idea It was - but he didn't want the UK to be a member, which I only recently discovered! He wanted a United States of (Continental) Europe to avoid any future wars.
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>I thought it (the concept of the EU) was Churchill's idea It was - but he didn't want the UK to be a member, which I only recently discovered! He wanted a United States of (Continental) Europe to avoid any future wars.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: but he didn't want the UK to be a member Ah yes, in those arrogant days when Britain still had an empire and thought it was the sole super power in the world. Oh! How things change! At the beginning of the 20th century British policy was that the navy was to be at least as big as the two next largest navies in the world. Now look at the size of the British Navy.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar Coming soon: The Second EuroCPian Event
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Today at midnight EU will grow up to a population of 455 Million people !!!....isn't that great?! I mean people and countries which were fighting against each other in so many wars in the past are now peacefully together in EU... (ok, it sounds a little bit exaggerated...but the fact that my generation didn't experienced a war directly is because of unions like EU).
The Europe has always tried to unite the different people. And it never worked out. And if history teaches us anything,... it repeats. I hope not this time As for the limitations in coming to work in the "old " countries: this is a good thing for the new ones. My professor (law university of ghent) who is in the board that controlles the expension of the eu says the following about this. In theory the new country's must rapidly increase the earnings of the workforce. By doing so (within 3 to 5 years) eliminating the need the restrictions, giving a better future for there people and increasing the amount of money the people can spend and thus creating a greater market. They will do this by giving everyone who works for the gouverment in those country's a higher salary. The private market will atomatically follow.
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Today at midnight EU will grow up to a population of 455 Million people !!!....isn't that great?! I mean people and countries which were fighting against each other in so many wars in the past are now peacefully together in EU... (ok, it sounds a little bit exaggerated...but the fact that my generation didn't experienced a war directly is because of unions like EU).
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And all thanks to the USA. It is good to see our children growing up so nicely!
Glano perictu com sahni delorin!
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SJ_Phoenix wrote: I mean people and countries which were fighting against each other in so many wars in the past are now peacefully together in EU... We all still hate each other, war just got more expensive. Peace is just a matter of economics, at the moment it is more cost effective to play nice rather than to roll our tanks into Poland. ;-) Michael CP Blog [^]
I'm not sure this is all that is to it. Thewre is a sense of being "tired of war" fairly deep in european culture. We are soaked in a history of glorious plans and futile deaths. I know that these things don't last. Borchert wrote that a new war will wait no longer than the generation that fought it is dead. I believe (as in: hope, religion) that it is longer, because we do have our "cultural memory". Beyond all name-calling and animosity, it would take a lot for Germany and France facing each other again the way they did for centuries.
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And all thanks to the USA. It is good to see our children growing up so nicely!
Glano perictu com sahni delorin!
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A 1 not because you are wrong but because that was just an ugly thing to say. So how do you like them new Ay-rab children of yours? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Paul Watson wrote: not because you are wrong Thank you. Paul Watson wrote: that was just an ugly thing to say To whom? Paul Watson wrote: So how do you like them new Ay-rab children of yours? We'll know in a few decades and then determine whether they are better off as free democracy or worse off due to civil war and failed democracy. They are currently in their awkward stage - like Europe after WWII. But with loving care and protection, they will grow into a thriving, modern democracy. We will know they are fully mature and ready to enter the future as an independant nation when their youthful rebellion turns into a steely determination to leave the nest and make their own way - like Europe is finally doing.
Glano perictu com sahni delorin!
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Michael P Butler wrote: I know you think history started in 1980 with Ronnie Regan Tsk, tsk! That implies I am a conservative - which I am not. Michael P Butler wrote: but you Americans are the children of Europe Yes we are! But things come around full-circle just like in real life. Europe gave America her citizens. But then as America grew up, Europe grew old and senile and during it's Alzheimer's induced paroxysms of violence it hurt itself. It had to be moved into a rest home and be tended night and day. Europe was also schizophrenic - part of it trying to be free while its other personality marched lockstep into communism. The USA played the role of the benign nursemaid - holding the patients hands so it couldn't punch itself in the face again. Luckily, it got better. And now the patient is ready to leave the hospital. Good for Europe! I just don't see why mentioning how different the world would be if the USA sat on its hands during the world wars and the cold war is seen as "ugly".
Glano perictu com sahni delorin!