The legend, the myth, the Linux Desktop...
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For all you unbelievers, running linux as a desktop isn't so far fetched. Yours truly, a long time CP denizen, has it up and running, with all the bells and whistles. It really can be done. See it here. I must admit, even I was surprised buy the quality of applications available. Here's a shot of KDevelop2.0 in action. Visual Studio doen't have much on this. Anyways, you've all been forewarned. The dark side is calling.... Josh Knox Josh@that-guy.net
Josh wrote: Visual Studio doen't have much on this. I don't know if you've tried VS.NET yet, but that wont be true for long. As to the rest, I don't think many people here have stated that using Linux as adesktop OS is far fetched, just that in it's current state it can't take on the AOL users of the world - the "how do I turn it on again?" kind of computer user. And the lack of pretty much all commercial specialist software rules it out as a desktop OS in most corporate environments too. David Wulff, Founder of The BLA dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com Sonork [100.9977:Dave] what is this C++ thing that everyone is talkin about?? is it like a progam similar to Visual Basic?
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Josh wrote: Visual Studio doen't have much on this. I don't know if you've tried VS.NET yet, but that wont be true for long. As to the rest, I don't think many people here have stated that using Linux as adesktop OS is far fetched, just that in it's current state it can't take on the AOL users of the world - the "how do I turn it on again?" kind of computer user. And the lack of pretty much all commercial specialist software rules it out as a desktop OS in most corporate environments too. David Wulff, Founder of The BLA dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com Sonork [100.9977:Dave] what is this C++ thing that everyone is talkin about?? is it like a progam similar to Visual Basic?
I agree that it's beyond the scope of the average user. I also agree that it's not going to take over the desktops of the corporate world. I'm just psyched that I can now boot my system on the first try rather than what XP has been putting me through since I installed it. No more ambiguous system stalls. No product activation. No MS BS. It's still largely an MS world and developing for their platform pays the bills(or rather, pays Bill :laugh:) but I for one think linux is much more fun. Josh Knox Josh@that-guy.net
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I agree that it's beyond the scope of the average user. I also agree that it's not going to take over the desktops of the corporate world. I'm just psyched that I can now boot my system on the first try rather than what XP has been putting me through since I installed it. No more ambiguous system stalls. No product activation. No MS BS. It's still largely an MS world and developing for their platform pays the bills(or rather, pays Bill :laugh:) but I for one think linux is much more fun. Josh Knox Josh@that-guy.net
Notice how, even though most Linux-lovers are Windows-haters, they steal the MS UI's? Who had the left hand VC++ pane first? Who had flat toolbar buttons first? Who had the WizardBar first...? The list goes on. I'll be sticking with Windows for now methinks, but it's just personal preference... ;) -- Andrew.
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Notice how, even though most Linux-lovers are Windows-haters, they steal the MS UI's? Who had the left hand VC++ pane first? Who had flat toolbar buttons first? Who had the WizardBar first...? The list goes on. I'll be sticking with Windows for now methinks, but it's just personal preference... ;) -- Andrew.
You can bet your ass that KDesktop will feature "new XP-Style title bars" before long... Simon Hey, it looks like you're writing a letter! Sonork ID 100.10024
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Notice how, even though most Linux-lovers are Windows-haters, they steal the MS UI's? Who had the left hand VC++ pane first? Who had flat toolbar buttons first? Who had the WizardBar first...? The list goes on. I'll be sticking with Windows for now methinks, but it's just personal preference... ;) -- Andrew.
Hey, MS was the original UI thief.;P Plus if you use any of the linux desktops at all you'll notice a bunch of neat UI features that aren't available on Windows. It's not that I hate their software, although I do have a few gripes, it's just that the free alternative works very well for my needs. Josh Knox Josh@that-guy.net
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You can bet your ass that KDesktop will feature "new XP-Style title bars" before long... Simon Hey, it looks like you're writing a letter! Sonork ID 100.10024
Well, if that's what it takes for the great unwashed to adopt Linux then ... nah, it's still a bad idea. :-D "das leid schlaft in der maschine" -Einstürzende Neubauten
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Hey, MS was the original UI thief.;P Plus if you use any of the linux desktops at all you'll notice a bunch of neat UI features that aren't available on Windows. It's not that I hate their software, although I do have a few gripes, it's just that the free alternative works very well for my needs. Josh Knox Josh@that-guy.net
Actually Apple were the original UI thieves. The mouse was invented by DARPA in the sixties, and XEROX PARC (I believe) were responsible for inventing the windowed GUI. AFAIU, thats the one of the reasons Apples lawsuit against MS for *stealing* *their* look and feel was unsuccessful. That and the fact that you cannot patent or copyright look and feel (or an idea). Lotus found that out when they tried to sue Borland for *stealing* the menu structure of Lotus 123 (spreadsheet) in Quattro Pro.
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For all you unbelievers, running linux as a desktop isn't so far fetched. Yours truly, a long time CP denizen, has it up and running, with all the bells and whistles. It really can be done. See it here. I must admit, even I was surprised buy the quality of applications available. Here's a shot of KDevelop2.0 in action. Visual Studio doen't have much on this. Anyways, you've all been forewarned. The dark side is calling.... Josh Knox Josh@that-guy.net
KDE, good call. __________________________ do { cout << "I will never use = when I mean == " << endl; } while (i = 1)
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Lots of people run Linux as a desktop. I have run FreeBSD. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
Yeah, true. I've used both gnome and kde. Initially gnome was a lot better. But of late, kde has overtaken gnome. KDE looks a lot nicer and is almost a Windows clone. and with kdevelop comin up, there's a lot in it for developers. But basically you really cant make it your primary desktop. You can use it as a fun, alternate thing to do when you feel bored and that too only if you have an extra machine lying. around. What I miss most was IE 6.0. Mozilla and netscape wont come anywhere near IE 6.0. And kmail is a poor match for Outlook Express Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain
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Notice how, even though most Linux-lovers are Windows-haters, they steal the MS UI's? Who had the left hand VC++ pane first? Who had flat toolbar buttons first? Who had the WizardBar first...? The list goes on. I'll be sticking with Windows for now methinks, but it's just personal preference... ;) -- Andrew.
I think you've completely missed their point. They don't dislike Windows nearly as much as they dislike the company that sells it. I personally think that (for the most part) Windows is a good idea, but the way Microsoft does business is crap. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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For all you unbelievers, running linux as a desktop isn't so far fetched. Yours truly, a long time CP denizen, has it up and running, with all the bells and whistles. It really can be done. See it here. I must admit, even I was surprised buy the quality of applications available. Here's a shot of KDevelop2.0 in action. Visual Studio doen't have much on this. Anyways, you've all been forewarned. The dark side is calling.... Josh Knox Josh@that-guy.net
Beyond the superficial interface level, how do the development tools compare to Visual Studio. Is there anything that matches up to MFC/WTL/ATL for writing applications? If the day comes when my clients are running Linux then I'll have no problem swapping over. In my world there is no Linux v Windows arguments. I'll go with what will pay my bills. Michael :-)
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Beyond the superficial interface level, how do the development tools compare to Visual Studio. Is there anything that matches up to MFC/WTL/ATL for writing applications? If the day comes when my clients are running Linux then I'll have no problem swapping over. In my world there is no Linux v Windows arguments. I'll go with what will pay my bills. Michael :-)
