Your Visual Studio .NET Homepage?!
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Chris, why is the CP logo on each and every article says the above? Shouldn't it at least be "Your beta Visual Studio .NET Homepage?! Seriously, this site begins to suck with all that .NET fuss. Chris, take a look at the statistics of the forums: Visual C++: 22518 C#: 244 .NET: 160 Even Visual Basic got more (428) interest than .NET and C# all together. Maybe it's time to stop that propaganda and get real? Why don't we wait for the final product, huh? You should know where your audience is, the welcome statement that Code Project is about Windows developers specialising in C++, MFC, C# and .NET also seems more like a wish than reality. C# and .NET is not finalized yet, no-one should specialize in that! Also, in that case give a fair share to VB and Java (138). And we are even more "ranting and raving" (478, often about VB and C#), so maybe a small prefix shuld suffice, like "... Windows developers specializing in C++ and MFC, ranting and raving about VB, C# and .NET"? ;P
Um - maybe it's because Visual Studio .NET is the next version of the tool we all use, and there are something like 2.5 million users of it already (even though it is in beta). George wrote: Visual C++: 22518 C#: 244 .NET: 160 Visual Studio .NET is just the name of the tool that most Windows C++ developers will be using over the next few years. I, and it seems everyone else, still hope that C++ will be around for a long time yet, so I still expect (and hope) that the ratio of C++ to C# content on CodeProject is as high as it is now. George wrote: the welcome statement that Code Project is about Windows developers specialising in C++, MFC, C# and .NET also seems more like a wish than reality Do a count of C++ and MFC articles vs .NET articles. I don't think we exactly specialise in .NET ;). Even so, .NET is so close to being out, and even ASP.NET applications can now be deployed. I think I would be doing a serious disservice if I sat back and said "no .NET articles or information until Bill says it's actually, officially released" Maybe "Windows developers specializing in C++ and MFC, ranting and raving about VB, C# and .NET" is definitely catchier, but it just won't fit in the logo :P cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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Chris, why is the CP logo on each and every article says the above? Shouldn't it at least be "Your beta Visual Studio .NET Homepage?! Seriously, this site begins to suck with all that .NET fuss. Chris, take a look at the statistics of the forums: Visual C++: 22518 C#: 244 .NET: 160 Even Visual Basic got more (428) interest than .NET and C# all together. Maybe it's time to stop that propaganda and get real? Why don't we wait for the final product, huh? You should know where your audience is, the welcome statement that Code Project is about Windows developers specialising in C++, MFC, C# and .NET also seems more like a wish than reality. C# and .NET is not finalized yet, no-one should specialize in that! Also, in that case give a fair share to VB and Java (138). And we are even more "ranting and raving" (478, often about VB and C#), so maybe a small prefix shuld suffice, like "... Windows developers specializing in C++ and MFC, ranting and raving about VB, C# and .NET"? ;P
VS.NET is not just about C# It's got C++ too [both managed and unmanaged] It's got a newer MFC too. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain
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VS.NET is not just about C# It's got C++ too [both managed and unmanaged] It's got a newer MFC too. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain
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I think Nish's point is that under .NET, you can. I'm not a C#/.NET fan at all, yet I can see that there were most certianly people telling Stroustrup they were happier to stick with C. We only move forward by trying new things. Some will fail, some will succeed. The alternative is a Z80 processor and a membrane keyboard away, with 1024 bytes to fill with the BASIC code of your choice. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
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I think Nish's point is that under .NET, you can. I'm not a C#/.NET fan at all, yet I can see that there were most certianly people telling Stroustrup they were happier to stick with C. We only move forward by trying new things. Some will fail, some will succeed. The alternative is a Z80 processor and a membrane keyboard away, with 1024 bytes to fill with the BASIC code of your choice. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
Hey Christian Now that CP is fast again, the posts are comin up real quick, eh? :-) Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain
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I think Nish's point is that under .NET, you can. I'm not a C#/.NET fan at all, yet I can see that there were most certianly people telling Stroustrup they were happier to stick with C. We only move forward by trying new things. Some will fail, some will succeed. The alternative is a Z80 processor and a membrane keyboard away, with 1024 bytes to fill with the BASIC code of your choice. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
You can't possibly compare the move from BASIC to C++ (which would be a step forward) with the one from C++ to C# (which is a step back IMHO). I like moving forward, and starting with BASIC on ZX Spectrum I was all but optimistic to try new and better things, I adopted Pascal, then learned C and C++ few months after (still at Univ., using a Borland C++). When Visual C++ came out I was one of the first who adopted it and made quite a good money (still at Univ.). But excuse me, the move from C++ to C#? X| No thanks! I just hate things being pushed on me (aka C# article contents, interviews with VC++ architects who talks little about C++ etc.)
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You can't possibly compare the move from BASIC to C++ (which would be a step forward) with the one from C++ to C# (which is a step back IMHO). I like moving forward, and starting with BASIC on ZX Spectrum I was all but optimistic to try new and better things, I adopted Pascal, then learned C and C++ few months after (still at Univ., using a Borland C++). When Visual C++ came out I was one of the first who adopted it and made quite a good money (still at Univ.). But excuse me, the move from C++ to C#? X| No thanks! I just hate things being pushed on me (aka C# article contents, interviews with VC++ architects who talks little about C++ etc.)
George wrote: You can't possibly compare the move from BASIC to C++ (which would be a step forward) with the one from C++ to C# (which is a step back IMHO). I'm not a C# evangelist, but it seems the reasons for C# are completely different, and the migration path is more for VB monkeys. George wrote: I like moving forward, and starting with BASIC on ZX Spectrum I was all but optimistic to try new and better things, I adopted Pascal, then learned C and C++ few months after (still at Univ., using a Borland C++). When Visual C++ came out I was one of the first who adopted it and made quite a good money (still at Univ.). You've been fortunate in choosing the right things to move to. But if you think M$ don't have the clout to make C# stick, you're wrong. George wrote: But excuse me, the move from C++ to C#? No thanks! I just hate things being pushed on me (aka C# article contents, interviews with VC++ architects who talks little about C++ etc.) I couldn't agree more. But C# will survive or not based on it's usefulness AND M$ ability to convince new developers to adopt it. They sold VB to the masses, why shouldn't they succeed again ? Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
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Um - maybe it's because Visual Studio .NET is the next version of the tool we all use, and there are something like 2.5 million users of it already (even though it is in beta). George wrote: Visual C++: 22518 C#: 244 .NET: 160 Visual Studio .NET is just the name of the tool that most Windows C++ developers will be using over the next few years. I, and it seems everyone else, still hope that C++ will be around for a long time yet, so I still expect (and hope) that the ratio of C++ to C# content on CodeProject is as high as it is now. George wrote: the welcome statement that Code Project is about Windows developers specialising in C++, MFC, C# and .NET also seems more like a wish than reality Do a count of C++ and MFC articles vs .NET articles. I don't think we exactly specialise in .NET ;). Even so, .NET is so close to being out, and even ASP.NET applications can now be deployed. I think I would be doing a serious disservice if I sat back and said "no .NET articles or information until Bill says it's actually, officially released" Maybe "Windows developers specializing in C++ and MFC, ranting and raving about VB, C# and .NET" is definitely catchier, but it just won't fit in the logo :P cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
Chris, all I am saying that it would be much better to keep the things balanced. If .NET is such a great thing then it doesn't really have to be puched so hard down our throats! Why not just change the logo to say You Visual Studio Home Page? That way everybody will be happy and balance will be kept...
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George wrote: You can't possibly compare the move from BASIC to C++ (which would be a step forward) with the one from C++ to C# (which is a step back IMHO). I'm not a C# evangelist, but it seems the reasons for C# are completely different, and the migration path is more for VB monkeys. George wrote: I like moving forward, and starting with BASIC on ZX Spectrum I was all but optimistic to try new and better things, I adopted Pascal, then learned C and C++ few months after (still at Univ., using a Borland C++). When Visual C++ came out I was one of the first who adopted it and made quite a good money (still at Univ.). You've been fortunate in choosing the right things to move to. But if you think M$ don't have the clout to make C# stick, you're wrong. George wrote: But excuse me, the move from C++ to C#? No thanks! I just hate things being pushed on me (aka C# article contents, interviews with VC++ architects who talks little about C++ etc.) I couldn't agree more. But C# will survive or not based on it's usefulness AND M$ ability to convince new developers to adopt it. They sold VB to the masses, why shouldn't they succeed again ? Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
****Christian Graus wrote: They sold VB to the masses, why shouldn't they succeed again ? Well, they surely get a lot of free(I might be wrong here thought...) advertising on CP. Why couldn't the logo say simply Your Visual Studio Homepage? Without the .NET bit it looks much more neutral and balanced and close to reality as most of the articles here have nothing to do with .NET, but nearly all articles have to do with some tool from broadly understood Visual Studio set...
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Chris, why is the CP logo on each and every article says the above? Shouldn't it at least be "Your beta Visual Studio .NET Homepage?! Seriously, this site begins to suck with all that .NET fuss. Chris, take a look at the statistics of the forums: Visual C++: 22518 C#: 244 .NET: 160 Even Visual Basic got more (428) interest than .NET and C# all together. Maybe it's time to stop that propaganda and get real? Why don't we wait for the final product, huh? You should know where your audience is, the welcome statement that Code Project is about Windows developers specialising in C++, MFC, C# and .NET also seems more like a wish than reality. C# and .NET is not finalized yet, no-one should specialize in that! Also, in that case give a fair share to VB and Java (138). And we are even more "ranting and raving" (478, often about VB and C#), so maybe a small prefix shuld suffice, like "... Windows developers specializing in C++ and MFC, ranting and raving about VB, C# and .NET"? ;P
I agree with you 100%. Perhaps since Chris is so much into .NET, he can't help but project his enthusiasm into this site's images and statements. But you're absolutely right; until .NET becomes a released product most of us use, it's premature to make it look like this site's main focus. So I'm with you, leave the ".NET" out of Visual Studio for the time being. We're not there just yet. Regards, Alvaro
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Because the whole world of development does not revolve around C++. Should we also kill all the SQL articles and forums on CP as well? It is not C++ after all, even though any serious application ties into some or other database. That may be an extreme arguement but I think the key words in CPs "manifesto" are "Windows developers". Not just C++ developers. Chris has already prevented CP from being dilluted by Perl and PHP articles and discussions as they are mainly not Windows. .NET is, whether you like it or not, the future of Windows development. Clients will eventually demand .NET development and developers will come to CP for help on it. Also remember that C++ developers have to sometimes reach out to other systems they are unfamiliar with, systems they need help with. If we killed off everything non-C++ on here then these C++ developers seeking help with web-development or database-development would have to go elsewhere. If you don't like other systems then stick to the C++ articles and forums, simple as that. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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Because the whole world of development does not revolve around C++. Should we also kill all the SQL articles and forums on CP as well? It is not C++ after all, even though any serious application ties into some or other database. That may be an extreme arguement but I think the key words in CPs "manifesto" are "Windows developers". Not just C++ developers. Chris has already prevented CP from being dilluted by Perl and PHP articles and discussions as they are mainly not Windows. .NET is, whether you like it or not, the future of Windows development. Clients will eventually demand .NET development and developers will come to CP for help on it. Also remember that C++ developers have to sometimes reach out to other systems they are unfamiliar with, systems they need help with. If we killed off everything non-C++ on here then these C++ developers seeking help with web-development or database-development would have to go elsewhere. If you don't like other systems then stick to the C++ articles and forums, simple as that. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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****Christian Graus wrote: They sold VB to the masses, why shouldn't they succeed again ? Well, they surely get a lot of free(I might be wrong here thought...) advertising on CP. Why couldn't the logo say simply Your Visual Studio Homepage? Without the .NET bit it looks much more neutral and balanced and close to reality as most of the articles here have nothing to do with .NET, but nearly all articles have to do with some tool from broadly understood Visual Studio set...
George wrote: Why couldn't the logo say simply Your Visual Studio Homepage? I'll soon be using VS.NET to program C++, Visual C++ 7.0 is included in VS.NET, so I really don't mind what the logo say. Why the big fuss about the .NET part? It's not that I'm a big fan of .NET and managed programs, I'll continue to make "real binary compiled" applications, just with VC 7.0. But I have to say that C# looks okay for some things. I program a lot of COM, but don't like VB, so now I'm using C# to make my test applications for my COM objects. :) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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****Christian Graus wrote: They sold VB to the masses, why shouldn't they succeed again ? Well, they surely get a lot of free(I might be wrong here thought...) advertising on CP. Why couldn't the logo say simply Your Visual Studio Homepage? Without the .NET bit it looks much more neutral and balanced and close to reality as most of the articles here have nothing to do with .NET, but nearly all articles have to do with some tool from broadly understood Visual Studio set...
George wrote: they surely get a lot of free(I might be wrong here thought...) advertising on CP. I thought Microsoft was a sponsor?