Accepting jobs without thinking good.
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We have a case in our firm where a software professional with over 15+ years of experience agreed to work on a $36K salary. Now she feels that our organization should pay her more. She cribs about how other programmers with lesser experience are earning the same. I don't understand...why would one accept a job in the first place and then expect a 1000+ employee govt. organization to change its policies for one person. I think something like $36K is a salary for 0-2 years experienced professional... How does one deal with such people? Regards, Tiruvan
I think she has a point. It is annoying to do due diligence, get hired and find that you blew it. Been there, done that. But you do have to live with it and complaining won't help you in the future (this from someone quite outspoken.) Best way to fix it is at performance review time. For government, you can reclassify the employee under certain circumstances. (At my previous job, my boss hired myself, and another guy, low so he could hire us. I took the job because I needed the work. Six months later, he gave us both huge, and I mean huge, raises. Of course, that was the last raise I saw from there before I got laid off.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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We have a case in our firm where a software professional with over 15+ years of experience agreed to work on a $36K salary. Now she feels that our organization should pay her more. She cribs about how other programmers with lesser experience are earning the same. I don't understand...why would one accept a job in the first place and then expect a 1000+ employee govt. organization to change its policies for one person. I think something like $36K is a salary for 0-2 years experienced professional... How does one deal with such people? Regards, Tiruvan
You pay her what she is worth. Cmon, she has 15+ years professional experience, not two! Would you treat a man making the same complaint the same way? Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart Department of Physics and Astronomy University of California, Irvine
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We have a case in our firm where a software professional with over 15+ years of experience agreed to work on a $36K salary. Now she feels that our organization should pay her more. She cribs about how other programmers with lesser experience are earning the same. I don't understand...why would one accept a job in the first place and then expect a 1000+ employee govt. organization to change its policies for one person. I think something like $36K is a salary for 0-2 years experienced professional... How does one deal with such people? Regards, Tiruvan
It would probably be a simple matter that she had agreed to that price, so that is what she feels she is worth. Just because others get the same does not change the value she has placed on her work. I think one the greatest problems when looking for work is wasting you time. Most jobs do not give you a clue what they expect to pay and you may send in a salary histor, but that does not mean they will pay any attention to it. Try going on interviews for a senior developer position and then have them offer you $30K or $40K after you have given them your full song and dance. You have wasted your time and receive nothing from it. Resumes are another pain in the back side. Most people stretch their true ability a bit and then worry about it after the get the job. I always list my current skill ability or even leave it a bit on the weak side. There is no way I want to be a job where they are expecting more from me than I have the skills to perform and then to some tap dancing around the lack of skill. Now for the problem, since they are used to people overstating their ability they would assume I do that same and must think I know less than I actually do. I hate the employment, resume, job search, interview game! Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com
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$36,000.-? USD? Per month? WOW, that's A LOT! Per year? Still more than my salary... :sigh::(( Maxwell Chen
Yea, unlike in Asia where they pay you the bottom dollar for the longest hour, in North America, companies actually pay and take care of their employees. You can actually do things like buy a decent house, a car, get married and have time to sleep. Can you believe that? Norman Fung
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How long has this person been employed in her current position - if she just started, I don't think she should be able to renegotiate her salary. If she has been ther for some time and has shown productivity above what is expected by someone with the job requirements, perhaps she should be given an early performance review. At one of my jobs, I was given reviews every 6 months (with a corresponding raise). Another possibility is to see about a performance bonus instead of a raise - if her productivity is such that she finishes her projects ahead of schedule and meets or exceeds the requirements of the project may she can be given a bonus. Steve
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Yea, unlike in Asia where they pay you the bottom dollar for the longest hour, in North America, companies actually pay and take care of their employees. You can actually do things like buy a decent house, a car, get married and have time to sleep. Can you believe that? Norman Fung
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Yea, unlike in Asia where they pay you the bottom dollar for the longest hour, in North America, companies actually pay and take care of their employees. You can actually do things like buy a decent house, a car, get married and have time to sleep. Can you believe that? Norman Fung
In Taiwan, only employees at certain top companies (like MediaTek[^] (the best one), UMC, and TSMC, etc.,) get good pay. For example, the average pay per year at MediaTek is NT$25,000,000.- (US$735,300.-). And my salary is about NT$650,000.- per year (US$19,120.-). I have to work for 38 years to earn the amount of money that an employee at MediaTek earns in one single year! :(( X| Maxwell Chen
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In Taiwan, only employees at certain top companies (like MediaTek[^] (the best one), UMC, and TSMC, etc.,) get good pay. For example, the average pay per year at MediaTek is NT$25,000,000.- (US$735,300.-). And my salary is about NT$650,000.- per year (US$19,120.-). I have to work for 38 years to earn the amount of money that an employee at MediaTek earns in one single year! :(( X| Maxwell Chen
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40 hr only. But in MediaTek, they don't work that many hours also. Maxwell Chen
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40 hr only. But in MediaTek, they don't work that many hours also. Maxwell Chen
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In Taiwan, only employees at certain top companies (like MediaTek[^] (the best one), UMC, and TSMC, etc.,) get good pay. For example, the average pay per year at MediaTek is NT$25,000,000.- (US$735,300.-). And my salary is about NT$650,000.- per year (US$19,120.-). I have to work for 38 years to earn the amount of money that an employee at MediaTek earns in one single year! :(( X| Maxwell Chen
Maxwell Chen wrote: average pay per year at MediaTek is NT$25,000,000.- (US$735,300 :omg: Is this a typo? BW The Biggest Loser
"And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun" -
Maxwell Chen wrote: average pay per year at MediaTek is NT$25,000,000.- (US$735,300 :omg: Is this a typo? BW The Biggest Loser
"And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"Of course NOT! Everyone knows it. There were reports on business news TV channels about this every years comparing which company offers the most including salary and stock bonus. And I do have a friend who was very poor before. He is now a billionaire, because he's been working at MediaTek for 5 years... Maxwell Chen
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Man... how cheap do they want to pay their people? 150 years mortgage? How cheap does an employee has to get before they'd say, "Man, this guy's worth it! Welcome abroad!". Norman Fung
If I could, I'd move to some other country from Taiwan. Taiwan is not worth to live as a programmer! :sigh::mad: Maxwell Chen
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Of course NOT! Everyone knows it. There were reports on business news TV channels about this every years comparing which company offers the most including salary and stock bonus. And I do have a friend who was very poor before. He is now a billionaire, because he's been working at MediaTek for 5 years... Maxwell Chen
Maxwell Chen wrote: Of course NOT! Everyone knows it. Boy am I out of the loop. :~ It's just that it is such an outlandish figure for an average salary, it's hard to imagine any company could justify it. Maxwell Chen wrote: He is now a billionaire, because he's been working at MediaTek for 5 years... Yikes! Smart investor I guess. BW The Biggest Loser
"And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun" -
If I could, I'd move to some other country from Taiwan. Taiwan is not worth to live as a programmer! :sigh::mad: Maxwell Chen
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Heard ya brother. Asia is about work: either pay your people cheap or get paid cheap. Hope at least you're doing what you like. It's all about "efficiency". "Well being" is not part of the optimization. Norman Fung
norm wrote: Hope at least you're doing what you like. I hoped so... :(( I wish that day comes someday! :rose: I'm interested in creating a SkyNet system / a Terminator robot to rule the world... :cool: Seriously, I am interested in AI field. I'll try to enrich myself with knowledges in AI programming, and seek another job related to. :-D Maxwell Chen
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norm wrote: Hope at least you're doing what you like. I hoped so... :(( I wish that day comes someday! :rose: I'm interested in creating a SkyNet system / a Terminator robot to rule the world... :cool: Seriously, I am interested in AI field. I'll try to enrich myself with knowledges in AI programming, and seek another job related to. :-D Maxwell Chen
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Maxwell Chen wrote: Of course NOT! Everyone knows it. Boy am I out of the loop. :~ It's just that it is such an outlandish figure for an average salary, it's hard to imagine any company could justify it. Maxwell Chen wrote: He is now a billionaire, because he's been working at MediaTek for 5 years... Yikes! Smart investor I guess. BW The Biggest Loser
"And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"brianwelsch wrote: Boy am I out of the loop. Errr... Maybe I should correct what I've said, it's not everyone. Only those who usually watch business TV news and read business newspapers about Taiwan IT industry know. But, anyway, welcome aboard! :-D Last month from TV news: * The top 1 company issueing 'cash bonus' for Year 2003 goes to ~ LiteON[^], average NT$9,500,000.- per employee. * The top 1 company issueing 'stock bonus' for Year 2003 goes to ~ MediaTek, average NT$15,000,000.-. (Continuously decreasing since amount of employees grows and revenue's not growing.) (Note: US$1.0 == NT$33.5 ) Maxwell Chen
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AI is fun, but is there money in it...? BI (Business Intelligence) seems to be more profitable. Norman Fung
I am not sure if there's money from it, the most universally seen and been used are 'expert systems' and 'cognition / recognition'. Maxwell Chen
