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  • M Maxwell Chen

    $36,000.-? USD? Per month? WOW, that's A LOT! Per year? Still more than my salary... :sigh::(( Maxwell Chen

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    devvvy
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    Yea, unlike in Asia where they pay you the bottom dollar for the longest hour, in North America, companies actually pay and take care of their employees. You can actually do things like buy a decent house, a car, get married and have time to sleep. Can you believe that? Norman Fung

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      How long has this person been employed in her current position - if she just started, I don't think she should be able to renegotiate her salary. If she has been ther for some time and has shown productivity above what is expected by someone with the job requirements, perhaps she should be given an early performance review. At one of my jobs, I was given reviews every 6 months (with a corresponding raise). Another possibility is to see about a performance bonus instead of a raise - if her productivity is such that she finishes her projects ahead of schedule and meets or exceeds the requirements of the project may she can be given a bonus. Steve

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      srt7
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      This person has been employed for less than 4 months. Has promised a lot and has delivered on small things but nothing really big or extraordinary. Performance bonus doesn't exist in the HR dept of this organization. Regards, SRT

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        Yea, unlike in Asia where they pay you the bottom dollar for the longest hour, in North America, companies actually pay and take care of their employees. You can actually do things like buy a decent house, a car, get married and have time to sleep. Can you believe that? Norman Fung

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        I don't know about other parts of Asia but this is not the case in India. Given their current salaries people can buy really good houses, cars and definetely get married. Regards, SRT

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          Yea, unlike in Asia where they pay you the bottom dollar for the longest hour, in North America, companies actually pay and take care of their employees. You can actually do things like buy a decent house, a car, get married and have time to sleep. Can you believe that? Norman Fung

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          In Taiwan, only employees at certain top companies (like MediaTek[^] (the best one), UMC, and TSMC, etc.,) get good pay. For example, the average pay per year at MediaTek is NT$25,000,000.- (US$735,300.-). And my salary is about NT$650,000.- per year (US$19,120.-). I have to work for 38 years to earn the amount of money that an employee at MediaTek earns in one single year! :(( X| Maxwell Chen

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          • M Maxwell Chen

            In Taiwan, only employees at certain top companies (like MediaTek[^] (the best one), UMC, and TSMC, etc.,) get good pay. For example, the average pay per year at MediaTek is NT$25,000,000.- (US$735,300.-). And my salary is about NT$650,000.- per year (US$19,120.-). I have to work for 38 years to earn the amount of money that an employee at MediaTek earns in one single year! :(( X| Maxwell Chen

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            Do they make you work 80 hours a week also? Norman Fung

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              Do they make you work 80 hours a week also? Norman Fung

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              Maxwell Chen
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              40 hr only. But in MediaTek, they don't work that many hours also. Maxwell Chen

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              • M Maxwell Chen

                40 hr only. But in MediaTek, they don't work that many hours also. Maxwell Chen

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                Man... how cheap do they want to pay their people? 150 years mortgage? How cheap does an employee has to get before they'd say, "Man, this guy's worth it! Welcome abroad!". Norman Fung

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                • M Maxwell Chen

                  In Taiwan, only employees at certain top companies (like MediaTek[^] (the best one), UMC, and TSMC, etc.,) get good pay. For example, the average pay per year at MediaTek is NT$25,000,000.- (US$735,300.-). And my salary is about NT$650,000.- per year (US$19,120.-). I have to work for 38 years to earn the amount of money that an employee at MediaTek earns in one single year! :(( X| Maxwell Chen

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                  Maxwell Chen wrote: average pay per year at MediaTek is NT$25,000,000.- (US$735,300 :omg: Is this a typo? BW The Biggest Loser


                  "And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
                  No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"

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                    Maxwell Chen wrote: average pay per year at MediaTek is NT$25,000,000.- (US$735,300 :omg: Is this a typo? BW The Biggest Loser


                    "And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
                    No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"

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                    Maxwell Chen
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                    Of course NOT! Everyone knows it. There were reports on business news TV channels about this every years comparing which company offers the most including salary and stock bonus. And I do have a friend who was very poor before. He is now a billionaire, because he's been working at MediaTek for 5 years... Maxwell Chen

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                      Man... how cheap do they want to pay their people? 150 years mortgage? How cheap does an employee has to get before they'd say, "Man, this guy's worth it! Welcome abroad!". Norman Fung

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                      Maxwell Chen
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                      If I could, I'd move to some other country from Taiwan. Taiwan is not worth to live as a programmer! :sigh::mad: Maxwell Chen

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                      • M Maxwell Chen

                        Of course NOT! Everyone knows it. There were reports on business news TV channels about this every years comparing which company offers the most including salary and stock bonus. And I do have a friend who was very poor before. He is now a billionaire, because he's been working at MediaTek for 5 years... Maxwell Chen

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                        Maxwell Chen wrote: Of course NOT! Everyone knows it. Boy am I out of the loop. :~ It's just that it is such an outlandish figure for an average salary, it's hard to imagine any company could justify it. Maxwell Chen wrote: He is now a billionaire, because he's been working at MediaTek for 5 years... Yikes! Smart investor I guess. BW The Biggest Loser


                        "And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
                        No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"

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                          If I could, I'd move to some other country from Taiwan. Taiwan is not worth to live as a programmer! :sigh::mad: Maxwell Chen

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                          Heard ya brother. Asia is about work: either pay your people cheap or get paid cheap. Hope at least you're doing what you like. It's all about "efficiency". "Well being" is not part of the optimization. Norman Fung

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                            Heard ya brother. Asia is about work: either pay your people cheap or get paid cheap. Hope at least you're doing what you like. It's all about "efficiency". "Well being" is not part of the optimization. Norman Fung

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                            norm wrote: Hope at least you're doing what you like. I hoped so... :(( I wish that day comes someday! :rose: I'm interested in creating a SkyNet system / a Terminator robot to rule the world... :cool: Seriously, I am interested in AI field. I'll try to enrich myself with knowledges in AI programming, and seek another job related to. :-D Maxwell Chen

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                              norm wrote: Hope at least you're doing what you like. I hoped so... :(( I wish that day comes someday! :rose: I'm interested in creating a SkyNet system / a Terminator robot to rule the world... :cool: Seriously, I am interested in AI field. I'll try to enrich myself with knowledges in AI programming, and seek another job related to. :-D Maxwell Chen

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                              AI is fun, but is there money in it...? BI (Business Intelligence) seems to be more profitable. Norman Fung

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                                Maxwell Chen wrote: Of course NOT! Everyone knows it. Boy am I out of the loop. :~ It's just that it is such an outlandish figure for an average salary, it's hard to imagine any company could justify it. Maxwell Chen wrote: He is now a billionaire, because he's been working at MediaTek for 5 years... Yikes! Smart investor I guess. BW The Biggest Loser


                                "And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
                                No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"

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                                brianwelsch wrote: Boy am I out of the loop. Errr... Maybe I should correct what I've said, it's not everyone. Only those who usually watch business TV news and read business newspapers about Taiwan IT industry know. But, anyway, welcome aboard! :-D Last month from TV news: * The top 1 company issueing 'cash bonus' for Year 2003 goes to ~ LiteON[^], average NT$9,500,000.- per employee. * The top 1 company issueing 'stock bonus' for Year 2003 goes to ~ MediaTek, average NT$15,000,000.-. (Continuously decreasing since amount of employees grows and revenue's not growing.) (Note: US$1.0 == NT$33.5 ) Maxwell Chen

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                                  AI is fun, but is there money in it...? BI (Business Intelligence) seems to be more profitable. Norman Fung

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                                  Maxwell Chen
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                                  I am not sure if there's money from it, the most universally seen and been used are 'expert systems' and 'cognition / recognition'. Maxwell Chen

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