Petals Around the Rose
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Definitely. It is very similar to IQ style tests. They are all about spoting patterns. Even without the hint about the patterns, it's not that hard to match counts with the faces of the die that came up.
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I'm not so sure if that particular test is a pattern matching test. I think it's more of a test on how you abstract things. A rose and a petal for instance, differ in reality in how they look. The dots on the dice does not differ in how they look, but where they are placed. So basically it's about matching one set of differences with another. A traditional pattern matching test would be "here are 4 dies, what's the 5th?". Anyway, I agree with Heath that "smartness" isn't really measured with these tests. Take the Mensa tests for instance. I find them rather easy to solve. At the same time, I've done a whole bunch of stupid things in my life. I may have an advantage at figuring out abstract figures, but my share of disadvantages evens that out. -- Booohoo!
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I'm not so sure if that particular test is a pattern matching test. I think it's more of a test on how you abstract things. A rose and a petal for instance, differ in reality in how they look. The dots on the dice does not differ in how they look, but where they are placed. So basically it's about matching one set of differences with another. A traditional pattern matching test would be "here are 4 dies, what's the 5th?". Anyway, I agree with Heath that "smartness" isn't really measured with these tests. Take the Mensa tests for instance. I find them rather easy to solve. At the same time, I've done a whole bunch of stupid things in my life. I may have an advantage at figuring out abstract figures, but my share of disadvantages evens that out. -- Booohoo!
Here is the same problem in a pattern matching form. ABACD, 6 AAABA, 2 ABAAA, 2 CEDBB, 8 BBBBB, ? I've definitely seen that type of problem on IQ tests.
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Here is the same problem in a pattern matching form. ABACD, 6 AAABA, 2 ABAAA, 2 CEDBB, 8 BBBBB, ? I've definitely seen that type of problem on IQ tests.
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Yep, it's a similar problem, it's just not using concrete symbols (such as dies). The thing is though that these type of problems have a common "solution" - always look for a common symbology. But I'm not sure if it's a measure in IQ. I mean, anybody can master these puzzles with training. Sure, you can make it more difficult by making the dependencies between the different symbols mathematically harder. But given time, anyone can if they have the will, to learn. In fact, I'm not even sure what intelligence really is. I've read books on the topic, but I'm still not any wiser now than before I read the books. Got any insights? :) ps. The obvious solution to this particular problem is 10; if you substitute each letter with their corresponding ordinal, the sum of all even ordinals equals the right column. I can't see any other solution, but I may be wrong. Are there any other solutions? -- Booohoo!
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Yep, it's a similar problem, it's just not using concrete symbols (such as dies). The thing is though that these type of problems have a common "solution" - always look for a common symbology. But I'm not sure if it's a measure in IQ. I mean, anybody can master these puzzles with training. Sure, you can make it more difficult by making the dependencies between the different symbols mathematically harder. But given time, anyone can if they have the will, to learn. In fact, I'm not even sure what intelligence really is. I've read books on the topic, but I'm still not any wiser now than before I read the books. Got any insights? :) ps. The obvious solution to this particular problem is 10; if you substitute each letter with their corresponding ordinal, the sum of all even ordinals equals the right column. I can't see any other solution, but I may be wrong. Are there any other solutions? -- Booohoo!
doh, got the translation wrong. but you get the point, should have been C=2, E=4 ugh. I was just agreeing that the comment about smart people having a hard time with it doesn't make a lot of sense. It is very similar to puzzles that people use to define intelligence. As far as intelligence goes I'm as clueless as anybody.
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Hmmm. I must be fairly stupid; 30 tries and haven't missed one yet. Some people think of it as a six-pack; I consider it more of a support group.
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doh, got the translation wrong. but you get the point, should have been C=2, E=4 ugh. I was just agreeing that the comment about smart people having a hard time with it doesn't make a lot of sense. It is very similar to puzzles that people use to define intelligence. As far as intelligence goes I'm as clueless as anybody.
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andy brummer wrote: doh, got the translation wrong. but you get the point, should have been C=2, E=4 ugh. :confused: -- Booohoo!
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The professor mentioned in the description below the puzzle explained that the smarter you are, the longer it takes to solve. I say, "BS". All those fun little IQ tests test for many things, one of which is visual acuity - something I excel at. Solving this "puzzle" was not at all puzzling.
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A story in Hard Drive[^] mentions that Bill Gates took a very long time to answer correctly. The name of the puzzle was told to him, i.e. it wasn't written down. When he did finally get it right, one of the other players discovered that he'd written down the name of the game incorrectly. They concluded that he'd actually memorised the answers to the possible combinations of dice. Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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ok I give up. what am I looking for here? A pattern? and wtf is the rose I'm supposed to be counting around? :confused::confused::confused:
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ok I give up. what am I looking for here? A pattern? and wtf is the rose I'm supposed to be counting around? :confused::confused::confused:
// Steve McLenithan
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thats' good to know. I've always considered myself to be really good at math, but this has me completely confused.
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You're thinking WAY too much about it. Pretend you're 5 or 6 and someone told you the game. BW The Biggest Loser
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Hmmm. I must be fairly stupid; 30 tries and haven't missed one yet. Some people think of it as a six-pack; I consider it more of a support group.
Roger Wright wrote: haven't missed one yet. yeah, me either. :sigh: I hate being an idiot. BW The Biggest Loser
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After I found out what "petal" means in german, it was actually quite easy. Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!
Petal in german is "Blumenblatt" according to BabelFish Clickety
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Doesn't take too long to figure out, 4 rolls. Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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doh, got the translation wrong. but you get the point, should have been C=2, E=4 ugh. I was just agreeing that the comment about smart people having a hard time with it doesn't make a lot of sense. It is very similar to puzzles that people use to define intelligence. As far as intelligence goes I'm as clueless as anybody.
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andy brummer wrote: intelligence As far as I ma concerned "Intelligence" is the ability to learn. These simple puzzles mean nothing and IMHO don't at all help to measure "smartness"-"intelligence". Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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Roger Wright wrote: haven't missed one yet. yeah, me either. :sigh: I hate being an idiot. BW The Biggest Loser
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-Hollywood FreaksI feel like such a retard... I just know that I won't sleep at all tonight.:(( Some people think of it as a six-pack; I consider it more of a support group.