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  • A Andy Brummer

    Here is the same problem in a pattern matching form. ABACD, 6 AAABA, 2 ABAAA, 2 CEDBB, 8 BBBBB, ? I've definitely seen that type of problem on IQ tests.


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    Jorgen Sigvardsson
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    Yep, it's a similar problem, it's just not using concrete symbols (such as dies). The thing is though that these type of problems have a common "solution" - always look for a common symbology. But I'm not sure if it's a measure in IQ. I mean, anybody can master these puzzles with training. Sure, you can make it more difficult by making the dependencies between the different symbols mathematically harder. But given time, anyone can if they have the will, to learn. In fact, I'm not even sure what intelligence really is. I've read books on the topic, but I'm still not any wiser now than before I read the books. Got any insights? :) ps. The obvious solution to this particular problem is 10; if you substitute each letter with their corresponding ordinal, the sum of all even ordinals equals the right column. I can't see any other solution, but I may be wrong. Are there any other solutions? -- Booohoo!

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    • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

      Yep, it's a similar problem, it's just not using concrete symbols (such as dies). The thing is though that these type of problems have a common "solution" - always look for a common symbology. But I'm not sure if it's a measure in IQ. I mean, anybody can master these puzzles with training. Sure, you can make it more difficult by making the dependencies between the different symbols mathematically harder. But given time, anyone can if they have the will, to learn. In fact, I'm not even sure what intelligence really is. I've read books on the topic, but I'm still not any wiser now than before I read the books. Got any insights? :) ps. The obvious solution to this particular problem is 10; if you substitute each letter with their corresponding ordinal, the sum of all even ordinals equals the right column. I can't see any other solution, but I may be wrong. Are there any other solutions? -- Booohoo!

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      Andy Brummer
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      doh, got the translation wrong. but you get the point, should have been C=2, E=4 ugh. I was just agreeing that the comment about smart people having a hard time with it doesn't make a lot of sense. It is very similar to puzzles that people use to define intelligence. As far as intelligence goes I'm as clueless as anybody.


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        Petals[^] Josef Wainz Software Developer

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        Roger Wright
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        Hmmm. I must be fairly stupid; 30 tries and haven't missed one yet. Some people think of it as a six-pack; I consider it more of a support group.

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        • A Andy Brummer

          doh, got the translation wrong. but you get the point, should have been C=2, E=4 ugh. I was just agreeing that the comment about smart people having a hard time with it doesn't make a lot of sense. It is very similar to puzzles that people use to define intelligence. As far as intelligence goes I'm as clueless as anybody.


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          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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          andy brummer wrote: doh, got the translation wrong. but you get the point, should have been C=2, E=4 ugh. :confused: -- Booohoo!

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          • H Heath Stewart

            The professor mentioned in the description below the puzzle explained that the smarter you are, the longer it takes to solve. I say, "BS". All those fun little IQ tests test for many things, one of which is visual acuity - something I excel at. Solving this "puzzle" was not at all puzzling.

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            Lost User
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            Err... I gave up :)) The tigress is here :-D

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            • M Mike Dimmick

              A story in Hard Drive[^] mentions that Bill Gates took a very long time to answer correctly. The name of the puzzle was told to him, i.e. it wasn't written down. When he did finally get it right, one of the other players discovered that he'd written down the name of the game incorrectly. They concluded that he'd actually memorised the answers to the possible combinations of dice. Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder

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              Adam Wimsatt
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              http://member.melbpc.org.au/~lborrett/computing/petals-bg.htm[^]

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              • L l a u r e n

                i dont get it at all absolutely clueless :(


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                Steve McLenithan
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                ok I give up. what am I looking for here? A pattern? and wtf is the rose I'm supposed to be counting around? :confused::confused::confused:

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                • S Steve McLenithan

                  ok I give up. what am I looking for here? A pattern? and wtf is the rose I'm supposed to be counting around? :confused::confused::confused:

                  // Steve McLenithan

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                  l a u r e n
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                  im with u on this one i have absolutely no idea what on earth this is all about :(


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                  • L l a u r e n

                    im with u on this one i have absolutely no idea what on earth this is all about :(


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                    Steve McLenithan
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                    thats' good to know. I've always considered myself to be really good at math, but this has me completely confused.

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                    • L l a u r e n

                      i dont get it at all absolutely clueless :(


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                      brianwelsch
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                      You're thinking WAY too much about it. Pretend you're 5 or 6 and someone told you the game. BW The Biggest Loser


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                      • R Roger Wright

                        Hmmm. I must be fairly stupid; 30 tries and haven't missed one yet. Some people think of it as a six-pack; I consider it more of a support group.

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                        brianwelsch
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                        Roger Wright wrote: haven't missed one yet. yeah, me either. :sigh: I hate being an idiot. BW The Biggest Loser


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                        • M mc schroeder

                          After I found out what "petal" means in german, it was actually quite easy. Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!

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                          Vadim Tabakman
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                          Petal in german is "Blumenblatt" according to BabelFish Clickety

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                            Brian Delahunty
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                            Doesn't take too long to figure out, 4 rolls. Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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                            • A Andy Brummer

                              doh, got the translation wrong. but you get the point, should have been C=2, E=4 ugh. I was just agreeing that the comment about smart people having a hard time with it doesn't make a lot of sense. It is very similar to puzzles that people use to define intelligence. As far as intelligence goes I'm as clueless as anybody.


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                              Brian Delahunty
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                              andy brummer wrote: intelligence As far as I ma concerned "Intelligence" is the ability to learn. These simple puzzles mean nothing and IMHO don't at all help to measure "smartness"-"intelligence". Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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                              • B brianwelsch

                                Roger Wright wrote: haven't missed one yet. yeah, me either. :sigh: I hate being an idiot. BW The Biggest Loser


                                "People look so snooty, take pills make them moody
                                Automatic bazootie, zero to tutti frutti"
                                -Hollywood Freaks

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                                Roger Wright
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                                I feel like such a retard... I just know that I won't sleep at all tonight.:(( Some people think of it as a six-pack; I consider it more of a support group.

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