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I hate penalty shoot-outs. England out of another major tournament on penalties... '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd
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Yoo hoo I supported Portugal this match once Italy was knocked out as I'd promised. What an awesome game. And Rui Costa with that super goal. I seriously thought it was over at that point. I think England have a lot to take away especially the fact that their team's core is still pretty young. As for Portugal let's see if they can bury the demons of past years and go on and win this time. "I believe I referred to her personality as a potential science exhibit." - Elaine, about Ellen, in "The Dog"
Ramanan Sivan wrote: think England have a lot to take away especially the fact that their team's core is still pretty young. As is , they have a good future, but the mentality must change, Portugal had +60% ball possession, IMHO was a tactical error. They commited the same mistake with France. Cole was a great defender of our fantastic player Ronaldo. Ramanan Sivan wrote: As for Portugal let's see if they can bury the demons of past years and go on and win this time. Let's see, I still don't believe that we can win the Euro cup. The perfectely valid goal that english are saying that was invalidated near the final 90 minutes,was welll invalidated IMHO, watching the replay it was a charge inside the goalkeeper's area and the UEFA laws are very clear concerning this issue, but of course I'm strongly biased, so I'm can be here totally wrong. Cheers,Joao Vaz Three primary LAN architectures for Network Engineers, under the sky, Seven OSI layers for the Open System Architects, in their halls of stone, Nine N-xDU operations* for mortal Developers, doomed to die, One protocol suite for the Dark Sysadmin, in his dark server room, In the land of mordor.net, where the shadowed fibers lie
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I hate penalty shoot-outs. England out of another major tournament on penalties... '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd
Waoh, what a game! So sad England isn't able to keep the score, hum? Of course, some english fans will claim they were robbed, because of the goal by Campbell disallowed by the referee, but 999 times out of 1,000, when there's a potential assault on the goal keeper, the referee gives a free-kick. The picture displayed by the Sun (http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2004290824,00.jpg[^]) shows well Terry's arm pushing the goal-keeper, so IMHO referee's decision was the good one.
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Ramanan Sivan wrote: think England have a lot to take away especially the fact that their team's core is still pretty young. As is , they have a good future, but the mentality must change, Portugal had +60% ball possession, IMHO was a tactical error. They commited the same mistake with France. Cole was a great defender of our fantastic player Ronaldo. Ramanan Sivan wrote: As for Portugal let's see if they can bury the demons of past years and go on and win this time. Let's see, I still don't believe that we can win the Euro cup. The perfectely valid goal that english are saying that was invalidated near the final 90 minutes,was welll invalidated IMHO, watching the replay it was a charge inside the goalkeeper's area and the UEFA laws are very clear concerning this issue, but of course I'm strongly biased, so I'm can be here totally wrong. Cheers,Joao Vaz Three primary LAN architectures for Network Engineers, under the sky, Seven OSI layers for the Open System Architects, in their halls of stone, Nine N-xDU operations* for mortal Developers, doomed to die, One protocol suite for the Dark Sysadmin, in his dark server room, In the land of mordor.net, where the shadowed fibers lie
Your're right Portugal had the initiative and therefore deserved to win. Perhaps England where a little bit tired but I believe it was a matter of will, since Portugals will was stronger they didn't feel tired. As for the valid goal I think my compatriots are deluding themselves, 'goals' like that are never given not even in the premiership. You simply can't challenge the goalkeeper like that in the modern game, rightly or wrongly. I think Portugal can win and hope you do, you've got a great squad of players and a great spirit. "Do not inflate plain things into marvels, but reduce marvels to plain things." - Francis Bacon
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Merrion wrote: I hate penalty shoot-outs. I'm not a soccer follower by any means. But the pure principles behind penalty shooting is daft. a.) It makes the rest of the game to appear to be a waste of time. b.) The luck factor is overwhelming. (At the speed the striker's shoot the gaolie has alrady started diving before foot and ball contact.) You might as well toss a coin. Regardz Colin J Davies
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ColinDavies wrote: You might as well toss a coin. thats how italy won the semifinal with the soviet union in 1968... ;) Eugi Games
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What they should do is make the shots like hockey penalty shots. The shooter starts at mid-field and has X seconds to get the ball into the goal. (Well, maybe not mid-field, that would be too far for soccer, but you get the idea.) Here in the US, MLS used this system for the first couple of years and I personally liked it, as it involves 10000% more skill than simple penalty shots. --Mike-- Personal stuff:: Ericahist | Homepage Shareware stuff:: 1ClickPicGrabber | RightClick-Encrypt CP stuff:: CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ ---- "die" ahhhh! "diet" AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
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Your're right Portugal had the initiative and therefore deserved to win. Perhaps England where a little bit tired but I believe it was a matter of will, since Portugals will was stronger they didn't feel tired. As for the valid goal I think my compatriots are deluding themselves, 'goals' like that are never given not even in the premiership. You simply can't challenge the goalkeeper like that in the modern game, rightly or wrongly. I think Portugal can win and hope you do, you've got a great squad of players and a great spirit. "Do not inflate plain things into marvels, but reduce marvels to plain things." - Francis Bacon
OmegaSupreme wrote: Perhaps England where a little bit tired but I believe it was a matter of will, since Portugals will was stronger they didn't feel tired. Well, being totally impartial , Portugal had one more day for resting , but yes the will of our players was impressive . Being even more impartial, I think it's not fair that group A winner have more days to rest than the rest of the other teams, with england was 1 day, but with the winner of sweden-holland will be 2 days !!! Now 2 days isn't fair at all ! Our team will have 5 days to rest and the other team only 3, now this can make a huge difference at this stage and after a long and fatiguing football year. This distorts the sport’s truth. OmegaSupreme wrote: 'goals' like that are never given not even in the premiership. You simply can't challenge the goalkeeper like that in the modern game, rightly or wrongly. I saw the replays a couple of times , and being totally impartial it was fault, and this is the honest truth !!! So england lost was bad luck, I simply don't understand the english newspapers , you weren't robbed !!! You simply had bad luck like the last 3 times that you lost on shoot-out !!! This makes the fourth time * YIKES !!! * :eek: OmegaSupreme wrote: I think Portugal can win and hope you do, you've got a great squad of players and a great spirit. Let's see , first will be a tough game with sweden or holland , then if we manage to pass through, I seriously doubt that we can win France or Czech Republic, they're the best teams IMHO and they're too strong for us. Cheers,Joao Vaz Three primary LAN architectures for Network Engineers, under the sky, Seven OSI layers for the Open System Architects, in their halls of stone, Nine N-xDU operations* for mortal Developers, doomed to die, One protocol suite for the Dark Sysadmin, in his dark server room, In the land of mordor.net, where the shadowed fibers lie
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What they should do is make the shots like hockey penalty shots. The shooter starts at mid-field and has X seconds to get the ball into the goal. (Well, maybe not mid-field, that would be too far for soccer, but you get the idea.) Here in the US, MLS used this system for the first couple of years and I personally liked it, as it involves 10000% more skill than simple penalty shots. --Mike-- Personal stuff:: Ericahist | Homepage Shareware stuff:: 1ClickPicGrabber | RightClick-Encrypt CP stuff:: CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ ---- "die" ahhhh! "diet" AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Michael Dunn wrote: . The shooter starts at mid-field and has X seconds to get the ball into the goal. (Well, maybe not mid-field, that would be too far for soccer, but you get the idea.) A good ideia. At leat more fair than the shoot-out system. Michael Dunn wrote: MLS used this system for the first couple of years So, they don't use it anymore ? Cheers,Joao Vaz Three primary LAN architectures for Network Engineers, under the sky, Seven OSI layers for the Open System Architects, in their halls of stone, Nine N-xDU operations* for mortal Developers, doomed to die, One protocol suite for the Dark Sysadmin, in his dark server room, In the land of mordor.net, where the shadowed fibers lie
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Your're right Portugal had the initiative and therefore deserved to win. Perhaps England where a little bit tired but I believe it was a matter of will, since Portugals will was stronger they didn't feel tired. As for the valid goal I think my compatriots are deluding themselves, 'goals' like that are never given not even in the premiership. You simply can't challenge the goalkeeper like that in the modern game, rightly or wrongly. I think Portugal can win and hope you do, you've got a great squad of players and a great spirit. "Do not inflate plain things into marvels, but reduce marvels to plain things." - Francis Bacon
OmegaSupreme wrote: As for the valid goal I think my compatriots are deluding themselves, 'goals' like that are never given not even in the premiership. You simply can't challenge the goalkeeper like that in the modern game, rightly or wrongly. ...but they didn't challenge the goalkeeper - if anything the goal keeper was climbing on them (Campbell/Terry) - there was nothing wrong with the goal and England should have won. However, over the 90 minutes Portugal were the more impressive with England clinging on like they did against France - Portugal were the better team - I just wish they could have won in normal or extra time and not on penalties !
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OmegaSupreme wrote: Perhaps England where a little bit tired but I believe it was a matter of will, since Portugals will was stronger they didn't feel tired. Well, being totally impartial , Portugal had one more day for resting , but yes the will of our players was impressive . Being even more impartial, I think it's not fair that group A winner have more days to rest than the rest of the other teams, with england was 1 day, but with the winner of sweden-holland will be 2 days !!! Now 2 days isn't fair at all ! Our team will have 5 days to rest and the other team only 3, now this can make a huge difference at this stage and after a long and fatiguing football year. This distorts the sport’s truth. OmegaSupreme wrote: 'goals' like that are never given not even in the premiership. You simply can't challenge the goalkeeper like that in the modern game, rightly or wrongly. I saw the replays a couple of times , and being totally impartial it was fault, and this is the honest truth !!! So england lost was bad luck, I simply don't understand the english newspapers , you weren't robbed !!! You simply had bad luck like the last 3 times that you lost on shoot-out !!! This makes the fourth time * YIKES !!! * :eek: OmegaSupreme wrote: I think Portugal can win and hope you do, you've got a great squad of players and a great spirit. Let's see , first will be a tough game with sweden or holland , then if we manage to pass through, I seriously doubt that we can win France or Czech Republic, they're the best teams IMHO and they're too strong for us. Cheers,Joao Vaz Three primary LAN architectures for Network Engineers, under the sky, Seven OSI layers for the Open System Architects, in their halls of stone, Nine N-xDU operations* for mortal Developers, doomed to die, One protocol suite for the Dark Sysadmin, in his dark server room, In the land of mordor.net, where the shadowed fibers lie
Joao Vaz wrote: I seriously doubt that we can win France or Czech Republic, they're the best teams IMHO and they're too strong for us Absolutely! Regards, João Paulo Figueira Embedded MVP
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Waoh, what a game! So sad England isn't able to keep the score, hum? Of course, some english fans will claim they were robbed, because of the goal by Campbell disallowed by the referee, but 999 times out of 1,000, when there's a potential assault on the goal keeper, the referee gives a free-kick. The picture displayed by the Sun (http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2004290824,00.jpg[^]) shows well Terry's arm pushing the goal-keeper, so IMHO referee's decision was the good one.
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The thing you don't get from a still is the movement - Campbell and Terry had already jumped when the keeper jumped beside them - how can it be a foul on the keeper when the so called offenders are already in the air. It should be seen as a foul BY the keeper on the attacking players - the goal stands - England win.
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Joao Vaz wrote: I seriously doubt that we can win France or Czech Republic, they're the best teams IMHO and they're too strong for us Absolutely! Regards, João Paulo Figueira Embedded MVP
João Paulo Figueira wrote: Absolutely! Meanwhile ... let's enjoy the moment until wednesday, where the nerves will return stronguer than ever :-) Cheers,Joao Vaz Three primary LAN architectures for Network Engineers, under the sky, Seven OSI layers for the Open System Architects, in their halls of stone, Nine N-xDU operations* for mortal Developers, doomed to die, One protocol suite for the Dark Sysadmin, in his dark server room, In the land of mordor.net, where the shadowed fibers lie
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Ramanan Sivan wrote: think England have a lot to take away especially the fact that their team's core is still pretty young. As is , they have a good future, but the mentality must change, Portugal had +60% ball possession, IMHO was a tactical error. They commited the same mistake with France. Cole was a great defender of our fantastic player Ronaldo. Ramanan Sivan wrote: As for Portugal let's see if they can bury the demons of past years and go on and win this time. Let's see, I still don't believe that we can win the Euro cup. The perfectely valid goal that english are saying that was invalidated near the final 90 minutes,was welll invalidated IMHO, watching the replay it was a charge inside the goalkeeper's area and the UEFA laws are very clear concerning this issue, but of course I'm strongly biased, so I'm can be here totally wrong. Cheers,Joao Vaz Three primary LAN architectures for Network Engineers, under the sky, Seven OSI layers for the Open System Architects, in their halls of stone, Nine N-xDU operations* for mortal Developers, doomed to die, One protocol suite for the Dark Sysadmin, in his dark server room, In the land of mordor.net, where the shadowed fibers lie
I agree with you on the goal. I don't know what everyone is complaining about. The goalkeeper was all over the place but you simply cannot be tangling with him and knock the ball in after that. That kind of goal is never given unless there was a terrible infringement on the goalkeeper's part. And I think that's quite right since the goalkeeper who's going up with his hands needs to be protected against being shoved when he attempts to claim. "I believe I referred to her personality as a potential science exhibit." - Elaine, about Ellen, in "The Dog"
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Michael Dunn wrote: . The shooter starts at mid-field and has X seconds to get the ball into the goal. (Well, maybe not mid-field, that would be too far for soccer, but you get the idea.) A good ideia. At leat more fair than the shoot-out system. Michael Dunn wrote: MLS used this system for the first couple of years So, they don't use it anymore ? Cheers,Joao Vaz Three primary LAN architectures for Network Engineers, under the sky, Seven OSI layers for the Open System Architects, in their halls of stone, Nine N-xDU operations* for mortal Developers, doomed to die, One protocol suite for the Dark Sysadmin, in his dark server room, In the land of mordor.net, where the shadowed fibers lie
Joao Vaz wrote: So, they don't use it anymore ? No, it only lasted a couple of years. Right now, they don't have overtime at all in regular season games. MLS has gradually changed their rules to be in line with international rules, so they'll probably do the same thing as FIFA when they start using overtime in the playoffs. --Mike-- Personal stuff:: Ericahist | Homepage Shareware stuff:: 1ClickPicGrabber | RightClick-Encrypt CP stuff:: CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ ---- If my rhyme was a drug, I'd sell it by the gram.
