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I would buy a lot of CDs for that price !!! :-D I think one of the problem is that some of the younger internet user think that music is a free commodity ( included with the monthly internet access fees ) Also, downloading for some is like a drug. Records company need to go along the legal track download services as soon as possible on a wide scale, and decide on the prefered format and DRM to suit everyone. I download tracks that I cannot find locally or of out of print stuff; most of the music I listen to (techno, electronic, experimental, ... ) have limited presence on the shelves of the stores; or such a limited distribution that it "begs" to be pirated ( more if it's only available on vinyl ). As soon as iTune Store is available in Canada, my "illegal" try before I buy will reduce. which is why I mostly use p2p.
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
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The price of the cd isn't really an issue for me. I dont have a problem buy a cd for $12. I have a problem buying a single for $5. I will usually download music to sample songs on an album that I am not sure if I want to buy. I also like to download random songs from groups I dont normally like. I dont think I should have to buy 2 singles for the price of a cd or have to buy a full cd if I only like 1, 2 or 3 songs on the cd. I dont think that is fare. There wasnt a big problem with taping songs off of the radio or taping songs from a friend who had the tape. I just dont get the big issue. If I really like a band I will buy the whole cd. I would rather have the cd itself then some blank cd with my hand writting on it. Another big issue for me is the fact the the recording industry wants to control what I do with music that I purchase. I just dont see anything wrong with downloading a few singles. There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
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The price of the cd isn't really an issue for me. I dont have a problem buy a cd for $12. I have a problem buying a single for $5. I will usually download music to sample songs on an album that I am not sure if I want to buy. I also like to download random songs from groups I dont normally like. I dont think I should have to buy 2 singles for the price of a cd or have to buy a full cd if I only like 1, 2 or 3 songs on the cd. I dont think that is fare. There wasnt a big problem with taping songs off of the radio or taping songs from a friend who had the tape. I just dont get the big issue. If I really like a band I will buy the whole cd. I would rather have the cd itself then some blank cd with my hand writting on it. Another big issue for me is the fact the the recording industry wants to control what I do with music that I purchase. I just dont see anything wrong with downloading a few singles. There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
I don't think there's a real problem for everyone if people download 1, 2 track from time to time to try a new group, but it's when it becomes industrial, downloading thousands of tracks just for the sake of downloading and "sharing". One way that store can maybe help is to have an on-site CD burning stations, where user can come in, select a couple of song, buy them on a freshly pressed CD ( either in DRM'ed mp3/aac or as an audio CD ).
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
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The price of the cd isn't really an issue for me. I dont have a problem buy a cd for $12. I have a problem buying a single for $5. I will usually download music to sample songs on an album that I am not sure if I want to buy. I also like to download random songs from groups I dont normally like. I dont think I should have to buy 2 singles for the price of a cd or have to buy a full cd if I only like 1, 2 or 3 songs on the cd. I dont think that is fare. There wasnt a big problem with taping songs off of the radio or taping songs from a friend who had the tape. I just dont get the big issue. If I really like a band I will buy the whole cd. I would rather have the cd itself then some blank cd with my hand writting on it. Another big issue for me is the fact the the recording industry wants to control what I do with music that I purchase. I just dont see anything wrong with downloading a few singles. There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
BrockVnm wrote: wasnt a big problem with taping songs off of the radio or taping songs from a friend who had the tape. I just dont get the big issue. Actually, a very similar stink was made with the advent of cassette tapes - Google around and you'll find a very similar story that goes way back a few decades. The record company has not changed it's song for a long time, they've become a broken record . : Dean 'Karnatos' Michaud
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The price of the cd isn't really an issue for me. I dont have a problem buy a cd for $12. I have a problem buying a single for $5. I will usually download music to sample songs on an album that I am not sure if I want to buy. I also like to download random songs from groups I dont normally like. I dont think I should have to buy 2 singles for the price of a cd or have to buy a full cd if I only like 1, 2 or 3 songs on the cd. I dont think that is fare. There wasnt a big problem with taping songs off of the radio or taping songs from a friend who had the tape. I just dont get the big issue. If I really like a band I will buy the whole cd. I would rather have the cd itself then some blank cd with my hand writting on it. Another big issue for me is the fact the the recording industry wants to control what I do with music that I purchase. I just dont see anything wrong with downloading a few singles. There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
I guess I just dont remember the big stink about tapes because I was much younger then. I do also agree about people downloading full cd's. I think that kids find it easy and if you dont have much money I guess you dont really care. Like most things I think that the solution lies somewhere in the middle. I dont see the harm in downloading a few singles. Sometimes I feel that people can get greedy. I would like to see a site that you can download a resonable number of songs for free or just pay a resonable flat rate to download an unlimited number of songs. The only thing is I dont see either sides budging much. Its tough to make people pay for something when it is still easily accessable for no cost (whether its rite or wrong). :-D There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I try to buy second-hand now, paying $5-$6/disc. But i still try to download tracks first, if it's an artist i'm not familiar with. Services that allow previewing a track are useful... to a point (partial tracks or low quality would be fine, both together kinda sucks). To be honest, even if record stores started giving away CDs to whoever walked in the door, i would probably download tracks first. Convenience.
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Pft. Ha! The last time I went to a record store and asked for a record - Killing Joke it was, I was almost laughed out of the store. :mad::mad::mad:
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I don't download music anymore. I did right around the time napster came around. Realized long ago it wasn't worth the hassle. I'd buy a lot more cd's though if it were $6 instead of $12. "I believe I referred to her personality as a potential science exhibit." - Elaine, about Ellen, in "The Dog"
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<sarcasm> I'd never pay for CDs. Nope, in fact, I d/l tracks all day. Oh, but it doesn’t stop there. Since it’s ok and all, I generally steal CDs from the store too (because they are overpriced mind you, never mind that big screen TV I can’t afford because it won’t fit in my pocket). It’s only music; it’s not like something real. I mean, it’s nothing like stealing software. I mean, with software your stealing bits and bytes and with digital music you’re not! Music is nothing! Heck no, it’s not hypocritical either. It’s also convenient because shopping online is too much of a bother and I’m impatient. Nah, I’m not making excuses to steal music either, and yes I’m the only one with bills so I should save my money not give it to those evil CD makers. </sarcasm> Jeremy Falcon
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Pft. Ha! The last time I went to a record store and asked for a record - Killing Joke it was, I was almost laughed out of the store. :mad::mad::mad:
There's always Hotstuff :) -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter
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<sarcasm> I'd never pay for CDs. Nope, in fact, I d/l tracks all day. Oh, but it doesn’t stop there. Since it’s ok and all, I generally steal CDs from the store too (because they are overpriced mind you, never mind that big screen TV I can’t afford because it won’t fit in my pocket). It’s only music; it’s not like something real. I mean, it’s nothing like stealing software. I mean, with software your stealing bits and bytes and with digital music you’re not! Music is nothing! Heck no, it’s not hypocritical either. It’s also convenient because shopping online is too much of a bother and I’m impatient. Nah, I’m not making excuses to steal music either, and yes I’m the only one with bills so I should save my money not give it to those evil CD makers. </sarcasm> Jeremy Falcon
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Good artists are worth €18 / CD. I'll still download though. I mean, there's no way I am going to pay for anything before knowing what it is. If it's good, I'll pay for it. Nobody seriously expects you to buy a car without taking it out for a test drive. Why is music any different? (And no. Radio doesn't count as a test drive, as there isn't anything on the radio worth paying for) My CD collection contains 300 CDs and growing, and I'll be damned if I ever get another bad CD in it again (it has happened) :) -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter
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WTF?? That's what you call being a jerk? Whatever. Jeremy Falcon
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Good artists are worth €18 / CD. I'll still download though. I mean, there's no way I am going to pay for anything before knowing what it is. If it's good, I'll pay for it. Nobody seriously expects you to buy a car without taking it out for a test drive. Why is music any different? (And no. Radio doesn't count as a test drive, as there isn't anything on the radio worth paying for) My CD collection contains 300 CDs and growing, and I'll be damned if I ever get another bad CD in it again (it has happened) :) -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter
I believe your reason is the only legit point about downloading music. I think the way we buy CDs do need refinement. I mean, even MS (and most ISVs) give evals, etc. with their software. I believe the music industry needs something similar as well. But, it doesn't make stealing music right. Jeremy Falcon
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I try to buy second-hand now, paying $5-$6/disc. But i still try to download tracks first, if it's an artist i'm not familiar with. Services that allow previewing a track are useful... to a point (partial tracks or low quality would be fine, both together kinda sucks). To be honest, even if record stores started giving away CDs to whoever walked in the door, i would probably download tracks first. Convenience.
You**'re one microscopic cog** in his catastrophic plan...That is the same as I do; the local CD Exchange here in Ottawa gets my money more often than not when it comes to music, heck, even some DVDs. I got They Might Be Giants on DVD from there for $12(CDN) used (wheee!). Used CDs range from $5(CDN) to $10(CDN) depending on the artist and how new the CD is. If any of you are always buying new I suggest you check out your local used music stores, and visit more than 1 because content differs greatly from store to store (at least here in Ottawa). I am finding that I can find more music that meats my taste in these stores, and the people that work there often like the same music... and they are often quite knowledgeable about music/artists. : Dean 'Karnatos' Michaud
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<sarcasm> I'd never pay for CDs. Nope, in fact, I d/l tracks all day. Oh, but it doesn’t stop there. Since it’s ok and all, I generally steal CDs from the store too (because they are overpriced mind you, never mind that big screen TV I can’t afford because it won’t fit in my pocket). It’s only music; it’s not like something real. I mean, it’s nothing like stealing software. I mean, with software your stealing bits and bytes and with digital music you’re not! Music is nothing! Heck no, it’s not hypocritical either. It’s also convenient because shopping online is too much of a bother and I’m impatient. Nah, I’m not making excuses to steal music either, and yes I’m the only one with bills so I should save my money not give it to those evil CD makers. </sarcasm> Jeremy Falcon
So anyway, just about every time this discussion comes up, i try to clarify the difference between theft and copyright violation. And frankly, i'm sick of it. I'm not "stealing" from anyone. Music producers, publishers, distributors, and retailers have made money off of me for years, and will likely continue to do so. I listen to the radio, i watch MTV, i pay subscriptions for digital cable or satellite TV so that i can get the all-music channels that come with it, i visit pawn shops and second hand stores, swap mix discs with friends, hold cell phones up to my stereo speakers so as to introduce friends far away with my latest obsessions, buy tracks off of Napster, trade MP3s over email, and yes, download music. Why? Because i'm cheap? Because i'm trying to "stick it to the man"? naw. i. like. music. This has nothing at all to do with walking out of Best Buy with a stolen TV. Such comparisons are low, and ring more of parroted propaganda than any objective opinion.
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I believe your reason is the only legit point about downloading music. I think the way we buy CDs do need refinement. I mean, even MS (and most ISVs) give evals, etc. with their software. I believe the music industry needs something similar as well. But, it doesn't make stealing music right. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I believe the music industry needs something similar as well. There are some few good record stores around yet, that will let you sit down and listen to any CD before you decide to buy it. These stores rock. But your average mall/Best Buy/Walmart***** tends to limit such previewing to the handful of discs that they're currently being paid to pimp. Then again, if you're selling to the Top-40 crowd, why would you bother? :sigh: *but don't ever buy CDs at Wal*mart. Seriously, just don't.
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So anyway, just about every time this discussion comes up, i try to clarify the difference between theft and copyright violation. And frankly, i'm sick of it. I'm not "stealing" from anyone. Music producers, publishers, distributors, and retailers have made money off of me for years, and will likely continue to do so. I listen to the radio, i watch MTV, i pay subscriptions for digital cable or satellite TV so that i can get the all-music channels that come with it, i visit pawn shops and second hand stores, swap mix discs with friends, hold cell phones up to my stereo speakers so as to introduce friends far away with my latest obsessions, buy tracks off of Napster, trade MP3s over email, and yes, download music. Why? Because i'm cheap? Because i'm trying to "stick it to the man"? naw. i. like. music. This has nothing at all to do with walking out of Best Buy with a stolen TV. Such comparisons are low, and ring more of parroted propaganda than any objective opinion.
You**'re one microscopic cog** in his catastrophic plan...Shog9 wrote: i try to clarify the difference between theft and copyright violation Yeah, on one hand, you're stealing a product that somebody else (the store) paid for. On the other hand, you're taking something which would've otherwise made some company revenue. Yeah, your right, I can't find any similarities between the two. Shog9 wrote: I'm not "stealing" from anyone. Yes you are. Just because it's not tangible doesn't mean you're not taking some entity illegally. What, it's wrong to steal a CDR from the store, but ok to steal the content on a CD that makes it valuable? Shog9 wrote: naw. i. like. music. So if you like software does that make it ok to pirate Windows? Jeremy Falcon
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WTF?? That's what you call being a jerk? Whatever. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I believe the music industry needs something similar as well. There are some few good record stores around yet, that will let you sit down and listen to any CD before you decide to buy it. These stores rock. But your average mall/Best Buy/Walmart***** tends to limit such previewing to the handful of discs that they're currently being paid to pimp. Then again, if you're selling to the Top-40 crowd, why would you bother? :sigh: *but don't ever buy CDs at Wal*mart. Seriously, just don't.
You**'re one microscopic cog** in his catastrophic plan...Shog9 wrote: *but don't ever buy CDs at Wal*mart. Seriously, just don't. What I never understood about Wal-Mart is that they'll buy the censored versions of CDs, but yet sell unedited movies like Basic Instinct. Jeremy Falcon