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Just another pro-weed article by another junkie with a Phd. I dream of the day when goverments do not have to spend money on anti-drug law enforcement because the market for the garbage has dried up. I have only one question for the pro-weed crowd, WHY?!?
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PJ Arends wrote: I have only one question for the pro-weed crowd, WHY?!? WEED IS EVIL!!! EVERYBODY RUNNNN!!!! Ah wait, just see a doctor and get a legal prescription first, then it's not evil. jeez:rolleyes: <side note: JoeSox's drug of choice is caffeine, and lately Rockstar Energy drinks:cool:> Later, JoeSox "Chrissy: You know, if women ran the world there'd be none of these stupid wars! Stanley Roper: Yeah, all the countries would nag each other to death!" --Three's Company joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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2hrs later... heeey, who's got the remote? :rolleyes:
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Just another pro-weed article by another junkie with a Phd. I dream of the day when goverments do not have to spend money on anti-drug law enforcement because the market for the garbage has dried up. I have only one question for the pro-weed crowd, WHY?!?
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Cur non? People are sent in jail, have their life broken, just because they want to do something which doesn't have any consequence on others' freedom. Why is weed forbidden in western nations? Because we didn't cultivate cannabis sativa under our latitudes, only third world countries did. No medical or moral reasons there. It is more than time to stop the hypocrisy and to face the problems caused by prohibition. IMHO, they are much more higher than the ones caused by a legalization process. PJ Arends wrote: I dream of the day when goverments do not have to spend money on anti-drug law enforcement because the market for the garbage has dried up. You can dream for centuries, it will never happen. Like for alcohol, and for the same reasons.
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Is it possible to find now a stronger weed than some years ago? Yes, definitively. I've tasted things coming from Holland which were hallucinating (no pun intended :) ). The question is, is this weed more dangerous? Hum, I don't think so. Is whisky more dangerous than beer? Hard to say if you don't mention the associated quantity... Is weed harmless? No, of course. If it doesn't create any physical dependencies, it may "create" a psychological one (and IMO then weed isn't the main factor, somebody with such an addiction would have found another product if it wasn't weed). Moreover, some people are much more sensitive to THC, and may develop psychological failures, as paranoïa and schizophrenia. Sadly, because of the politization of the subject, it's hard to find a scientific, non partisan study on this. Nonetheless, I don't believe prohibition is the solution. Look at France, for example: we have the thougher laws against the use of cannabis in all Europe, and we have also the higher proportion of young people smoking marijuana...go figure! The product has side effects, but seems to me much less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco, both legal products. That's why I am for the legalization, that is the definition of a legal frame to the consumption of hemp, something different from depenalization. Young people must be protected, because they don't have experience enough to control the use of weed and its consequences. It would remove a lot of money from a criminal business, provide a new source of money for the government, and enable a control of the quality of the product (you can't imagine what you can find in a bar of cannabis :mad: )
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My roomates in college always watched Cops when they were stoned.
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Chris Losinger wrote: because That stupid answer does not explain to me why any one wants to scrammble their brains. I know to many people who seemed to be reasonably intelligent when they were younger and now can't hold down a minimum skill job because their brains are all messed up. Their lives are totally ruined because of drug abuse. From what I have seen, absolutely no good comes from it, and a lot of bad. Drugs are a lose-lose situation. Until someone can give me a logical, well thought out reason why marijuana (or any other hallucinagenic(sp?) drug) is a good or neccesary thing I will continue to oppose them, and continue to vote for the political party that holds the same view. 1
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PJ Arends wrote: why marijuana (or any other hallucinagenic(sp?) drug) Dope is not an hallucinagen. LSD is, magic mushrooms can be ( only were for me the first time, and I took a LOT that time ). If you're anti dope, I hope you don't drink alcohol or smoke tobacco. If you do, you're kind of a hypocrite. Personally, I don't do any of them, but I don't care what is and isn't legal. To me, it's all just a form of natural selection, and I'd rate dope as less of a problem than either of the legal drugs I mentioned. PJ Arends wrote: continue to vote for the political party that holds the same view. You'd prefer to vote for a party that wants to spend all your money prosecuting victimless crime ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Cur non? People are sent in jail, have their life broken, just because they want to do something which doesn't have any consequence on others' freedom. Why is weed forbidden in western nations? Because we didn't cultivate cannabis sativa under our latitudes, only third world countries did. No medical or moral reasons there. It is more than time to stop the hypocrisy and to face the problems caused by prohibition. IMHO, they are much more higher than the ones caused by a legalization process. PJ Arends wrote: I dream of the day when goverments do not have to spend money on anti-drug law enforcement because the market for the garbage has dried up. You can dream for centuries, it will never happen. Like for alcohol, and for the same reasons.
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KaЯl wrote: It is more than time to stop the hypocrisy and to face the problems caused by prohibition. Totally agreed. KaЯl wrote: You can dream for centuries, it will never happen. Like for alcohol, and for the same reasons. And it begs the question - why wouldn't any sane society legalise it, make a profit on it, and spend the money advertising ways to help people give up. A bit like tobacco is today. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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PJ Arends wrote: why marijuana (or any other hallucinagenic(sp?) drug) Dope is not an hallucinagen. LSD is, magic mushrooms can be ( only were for me the first time, and I took a LOT that time ). If you're anti dope, I hope you don't drink alcohol or smoke tobacco. If you do, you're kind of a hypocrite. Personally, I don't do any of them, but I don't care what is and isn't legal. To me, it's all just a form of natural selection, and I'd rate dope as less of a problem than either of the legal drugs I mentioned. PJ Arends wrote: continue to vote for the political party that holds the same view. You'd prefer to vote for a party that wants to spend all your money prosecuting victimless crime ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: I hope you don't drink alcohol or smoke tobacco I don't. Christian Graus wrote: victimless crime If it were victimless I would not be opposed to it. One just has to take their head out of the sand and look around, you will see victims.
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Christian Graus wrote: I hope you don't drink alcohol or smoke tobacco I don't. Christian Graus wrote: victimless crime If it were victimless I would not be opposed to it. One just has to take their head out of the sand and look around, you will see victims.
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PJ Arends wrote: One just has to take their head out of the sand and look around, you will see victims. It depends - do you propose that suicide is not a victimless crime, because it is murder ? The majority of suffering as a result of drugs is not because of the drugs, but because of our legal systems response to their existance. The fact that these laws do not reflect common sense is a reflection on politians who are scared to lose the votes of the uninformed. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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I agree with PJ. The world needs less addictive, unhealthy drugs. Not more. :( "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
I agree with this. The question is, how do you make this so ? You can't stop the stuff from existing, now can you ? Prohibition obviously does not work, and our schools are apparently scared to teach morals or responsibility for ones own well being. So where do we go from there ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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I agree with this. The question is, how do you make this so ? You can't stop the stuff from existing, now can you ? Prohibition obviously does not work, and our schools are apparently scared to teach morals or responsibility for ones own well being. So where do we go from there ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: The question is, how do you make this so ? That's where it gets tough. Here's my rationale for making/keeping it illegal: There are (IMHO) many, many young people who first try pot simply because it is illegal. The old "forbidden fruit" theory. Cigarettes and alcohol are illegal for minors but they're legal for adults so kids desire a "next step" that allows them to rebel. For most kids the first "next step" is all they need. They smoke a little pot through their teens and even early adulthood. They feel like they've rebeled against "the man", they mature and they move on. But what happens if pot were legal? I seriously fear that their first "next step" becomes cocaine, ecstasy or heroin. IMHO it's best to keep something "fairly" tame like pot as the first "next step". Yes - there are those who will get to the "hard stuff" no matter what is legal or illegal - I'm talking majorities and averages here. :) "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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Christian Graus wrote: The question is, how do you make this so ? That's where it gets tough. Here's my rationale for making/keeping it illegal: There are (IMHO) many, many young people who first try pot simply because it is illegal. The old "forbidden fruit" theory. Cigarettes and alcohol are illegal for minors but they're legal for adults so kids desire a "next step" that allows them to rebel. For most kids the first "next step" is all they need. They smoke a little pot through their teens and even early adulthood. They feel like they've rebeled against "the man", they mature and they move on. But what happens if pot were legal? I seriously fear that their first "next step" becomes cocaine, ecstasy or heroin. IMHO it's best to keep something "fairly" tame like pot as the first "next step". Yes - there are those who will get to the "hard stuff" no matter what is legal or illegal - I'm talking majorities and averages here. :) "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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Christian Graus wrote: I hope you don't drink alcohol or smoke tobacco I don't. Christian Graus wrote: victimless crime If it were victimless I would not be opposed to it. One just has to take their head out of the sand and look around, you will see victims.
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Chris Losinger wrote: so why isn't alcohol illegal? why do you not think it's a gateway drug? In a strictly puritan world it probably would be. Alcohol has the benefit of historically being legal in the modern western world. Not to mention it's use in many mainstream religious ceremonies. Catholic communion comes to mind. In other words - The cat is already out of the bag. From a strictly fair vs. unfair comparison there really aren't many (if any) logical reasons why pot is illegal and tobacco and alcohol are not. For me personally, my opinion is highly hypocritical since I do drink on occassion. :-O "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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Chris Losinger wrote: so why isn't alcohol illegal? why do you not think it's a gateway drug? In a strictly puritan world it probably would be. Alcohol has the benefit of historically being legal in the modern western world. Not to mention it's use in many mainstream religious ceremonies. Catholic communion comes to mind. In other words - The cat is already out of the bag. From a strictly fair vs. unfair comparison there really aren't many (if any) logical reasons why pot is illegal and tobacco and alcohol are not. For me personally, my opinion is highly hypocritical since I do drink on occassion. :-O "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
Mike Mullikin wrote: From a strictly fair vs. unfair comparison there really aren't many (if any) logical reasons why pot is illegal and tobacco and alcohol are not. good enough for me. :) Mike Mullikin wrote: For me personally, my opinion is highly hypocritical since I do drink on occassion :beer: Software | Cleek
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PJ Arends wrote: One just has to take their head out of the sand and look around, you will see victims. It depends - do you propose that suicide is not a victimless crime, because it is murder ? The majority of suffering as a result of drugs is not because of the drugs, but because of our legal systems response to their existance. The fact that these laws do not reflect common sense is a reflection on politians who are scared to lose the votes of the uninformed. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
So you are saying that you would have no problem with your daughter getting high on marijuana every night, slowly frying her brains to the point she can't function. Heck, why stop at pot, kids are doing crystal meth, so we might as well legalize that too. That way the goverment can make money off it, can set quality standards so that the meth is pure, not laced with crap. It only kills those dumb enough to over do it, but that is their problem, right? The same can be said for any drug. Legalize them all! It's the law that's the problem, not the drugs. We as a civil society have a responsibility to look after the weak among us. And it is better to stop them from hurting themselves in the first place, rather then picking them up after they have hit rock bottom. We will never have 100% success, but we still have to try. Laws are not there to stop people from having fun, they are there to stop people from hurting themselves and others. I would have thought that you, as a Christian, would realize that. Seems that common sense is not so common after all:sigh:
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And the rest we just throw away?
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And the rest we just throw away?
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of course not. but, as with alcohol, not everybody abuses pot. and those people who don't shouldn't (logically, IMO) be forced to forgo it just to protect those who would abuse it. and those who do abuse it (pot, alcohol, sex, gambling, chocolate, etc) need to either get treatment themselves, or be dragged kicking and screaming by their friends and family into a place where they can get help. Software | Cleek
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PJ Arends wrote: why marijuana (or any other hallucinagenic(sp?) drug) Dope is not an hallucinagen. LSD is, magic mushrooms can be ( only were for me the first time, and I took a LOT that time ). If you're anti dope, I hope you don't drink alcohol or smoke tobacco. If you do, you're kind of a hypocrite. Personally, I don't do any of them, but I don't care what is and isn't legal. To me, it's all just a form of natural selection, and I'd rate dope as less of a problem than either of the legal drugs I mentioned. PJ Arends wrote: continue to vote for the political party that holds the same view. You'd prefer to vote for a party that wants to spend all your money prosecuting victimless crime ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: victimless crime I've never understood this "victimless crime" thing. Numerous studies have shown that the victims are brain damaged children born to alcoholic/drug abusing mothers, children alcoholic/drug abusive parents, not to mention the hundreds of pointless maimings and deaths of innocent people by drunk drivers and drug crazed people with weapons. Where, please tell me where, anyone can say taking drugs or abusing alcohol is victimless? Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog Hunt The Wumpus RealDevs.Net