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Christian Graus wrote: my point ( which you obviously missed ) is that I believe in education, not legislation Yes I can see your point. I also believe that education is the best way to prevent many of the harmful behaviours we all see in society every day. But I also believe that legislation is needed to catch those that either ignore their education or never got it in the first place. Christian Graus wrote: My point here is that the issue is more complex than the little world you see. I do see how complex the issue is. And it will not be solved by throwing out any laws that are aimed at trying to solve it. Laws are only a part of the solution, a part that I believe to be essential. Christian Graus wrote: So when I say that I think it's better to educate than legislate, I'm showing that I am a Christian, rather than a Jew. Even Christians have laws (Mark 12:29-31). But you are right, it is by the power of the Spirit that we are led to do what is right. and before anybody gets their crap all tied up in a knot, even non-Christians can do good and right things, it is not the exclusive domain of Christians
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PJ Arends wrote: But I also believe that legislation is needed to catch those that either ignore their education or never got it in the first place. So you are wanting to make alcohol illegal then ? PJ Arends wrote: Even Christians have laws (Mark 12:29-31). Gee, I'd have said these were required attitudes. But of course, freedom from law is not freedom to sin, it's freedom from being constrained by legal ideas, because we are liberated into a knowledge of why we do what is right, and wanting to do it. And that's really my point - a hypocritical society legalises alcohol and tobacco, but not other, less harmful drugs. Either way, people will do what their moral compass allows, and too little work goes into giving people that view of what is good for them, and society. As you say, even non-Christians can be good people, but unfortunately, it's becoming less and less fashionable to even accept that there is a such a thing. Both the home and the school are failing IMO, because kids are by and large being taught that nothing is their fault, they have no responsibility and therefore no culpability. This has happened for so long that it is endemic - the parents have been raised that way, and see no other way to raise their kids, and would object if the schools taught otherwise. This is, of course, a gross generalisation. One can only generalise when talking of society as a whole. But if dope were legalised, then society would be forced to educate it's members, as we are now forced to educate in regards to tobacco. Smoking is dying out, not because it's illegal, but because it's stupid, and the government has enough money from the sale of tobacco to pay for the advertising and other material to make people aware of that fact. As less people smoke, less money comes in, but less is also needed, the problem has been solved. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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PJ Arends wrote: One just has to take their head out of the sand and look around, you will see victims. It depends - do you propose that suicide is not a victimless crime, because it is murder ? The majority of suffering as a result of drugs is not because of the drugs, but because of our legal systems response to their existance. The fact that these laws do not reflect common sense is a reflection on politians who are scared to lose the votes of the uninformed. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: The majority of suffering as a result of drugs is not because of the drugs, but because of our legal systems response to their existance Not hardly, what does the legal system have to do with a crack addict that spends all of his money to support an ever increasing demand for more crack. He can't hold down a job because he is high all the time and is forced to steal from others (or turn to prostitution if female) just to buy his next fix. I know that the original post started out being about dope, but I reject any notion that the legal system is the primary cause of suffering. If an addict turns to other forms of crime just to support his habit it could hardly be called victimless. What about children who are forced to live in hunger and squalor because mamma can't afford food and is too high to care. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Is it possible to find now a stronger weed than some years ago? Yes, definitively. I've tasted things coming from Holland which were hallucinating (no pun intended :) ). The question is, is this weed more dangerous? Hum, I don't think so. Is whisky more dangerous than beer? Hard to say if you don't mention the associated quantity... Is weed harmless? No, of course. If it doesn't create any physical dependencies, it may "create" a psychological one (and IMO then weed isn't the main factor, somebody with such an addiction would have found another product if it wasn't weed). Moreover, some people are much more sensitive to THC, and may develop psychological failures, as paranoïa and schizophrenia. Sadly, because of the politization of the subject, it's hard to find a scientific, non partisan study on this. Nonetheless, I don't believe prohibition is the solution. Look at France, for example: we have the thougher laws against the use of cannabis in all Europe, and we have also the higher proportion of young people smoking marijuana...go figure! The product has side effects, but seems to me much less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco, both legal products. That's why I am for the legalization, that is the definition of a legal frame to the consumption of hemp, something different from depenalization. Young people must be protected, because they don't have experience enough to control the use of weed and its consequences. It would remove a lot of money from a criminal business, provide a new source of money for the government, and enable a control of the quality of the product (you can't imagine what you can find in a bar of cannabis :mad: )
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KaЯl wrote: Moreover, some people are much more sensitive to THC *ding ding ding ding* And I am the winner on that subject. :-D I can't understand how people actually enjoy that buzz! It's like being in a carousel that's spinning about as fast as light itself. And not to mention how fast my short term memory deteriorates when I've got THC in my blood. My memory shrinks into a 1 minute frame - I can't remember anything that happened 2 minutes earlier. Wine's my drug of choice. :cool: -- Denn du bist, was du isst! Und ihr wisst, was es ist! Es ist mein Teil...?
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joshfl wrote: Your previous example was absurd, and you still have not validated it. It wasn't meant to be a serious comparison. I used an extreme condition to point out that one does not have to experience something to know it's not healthy. You asked PJ if he had ever smoked pot. He said "No". You immediately discredited him and his opinion in turn. Get it?! It was also an attempt at humour. ;) "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
Mike Mullikin wrote: It wasn't meant to be a serious comparison. It was a serious discussion. Everytime I have ever clashed w/ you mike, you either stray from the point or make a ridiculous example. Can't you stay on topic and represent your position within the context of the discussion. Counter my points, and make a few of your own, hmm? Mike Mullikin wrote: I used an extreme condition to point out that one does not have to experience something to know it's not healthy. And I pointed out the flaw in your logic that your analagy does not apply to weed, it primarily applies to things like shotgun blasts to the face. I did not say healthy. Of course pot is not healthy for your body parts. Your lungs are never too happy about smoke being drawn into them. I said 'absolutly nothing to offer'. I think we both know short of being suicidal shooting oneself w/ said shotgun does not have much to offer. This is why there is no shotgun face shooting epidemic going around. Weed, however, has a much more complex set of pros & cons. Its not black and white such as the shotgun thing, and is the reason why there is a large subculture of marijuana smokers. Mike Mullikin wrote: You asked PJ if he had ever smoked pot. He said "No". You immediately discredited him and his opinion in turn. I was trying to identify and broadcast to others his experience and credentials to be speaking on the subject. He has no personal experience w/ marijuana and only has negative things to say about it. It just seems to me that perspective might not be representative of the entire picture. Mike Mullikin wrote: Get it?! It was also an attempt at humour. I'm still your friend mike, but maaann we dont think much alike. ;) Legalize Marijuana
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joshfl wrote: Its the exact same thing as racism Ok, my opinion of you just went down to zero. If you can not discuss a point without calling those who disagree with you a racist then I am going to just shake my head and walk away from this discussion. I am very disappointed that you had to stoop so low. I disagree with peoples actions, not who they are. 1
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Christian Graus wrote: The majority of suffering as a result of drugs is not because of the drugs, but because of our legal systems response to their existance Not hardly, what does the legal system have to do with a crack addict that spends all of his money to support an ever increasing demand for more crack. He can't hold down a job because he is high all the time and is forced to steal from others (or turn to prostitution if female) just to buy his next fix. I know that the original post started out being about dope, but I reject any notion that the legal system is the primary cause of suffering. If an addict turns to other forms of crime just to support his habit it could hardly be called victimless. What about children who are forced to live in hunger and squalor because mamma can't afford food and is too high to care. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote: Not hardly, what does the legal system have to do with a crack addict that spends all of his money to support an ever increasing demand for more crack. He can't hold down a job because he is high all the time and is forced to steal from others (or turn to prostitution if female) just to buy his next fix. Crack is a drug that should definately remain illegal, but to answer your questions: What the legal system has to do with it is the fact that s/he is spending all their money/turning to crime because of the high price of the drug, which in turn, is caused by the fact that it's sold illegally by people looking to make the highest possible profit, and to cover the costs of AK-47's, etc. Gary Kirkham wrote: If an addict turns to other forms of crime just to support his habit it could hardly be called victimless. You're right, and you've made a major leap in the substance we are discussing. However, the drug taking is still victimless, the crime is the theft/whatever, which occurs BECAUSE the drug is illegal, and therefore price and supply is in the hands of criminals. Gary Kirkham wrote: What about children who are forced to live in hunger and squalor because mamma can't afford food and is too high to care. That happens with alcohol today. So again, any problem that can be brought up, can equally be applied to currently legal drugs. We have agencies dedicated to removing children from harmful situations, and not all of them involve drugs, although most probably do, because the same people stupid enough to do that to their own kids, are probably stupid enough to do hard drugs. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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PJ Arends wrote: know to many people who seemed to be reasonably intelligent when they were younger and now can't hold down a minimum skill job because their brains are all messed up. yep. it happens. hundreds of people ruin their own lives in hundreds of ways, everyday. PJ Arends wrote: Until someone can give me a logical, well thought out reason why marijuana (or any other hallucinagenic(sp?) ) drug is a good or neccesary thing I will continue to oppose them "necessary" ? i imagine opposing everything that isn't necessary probably keeps you very very busy. marijuana is good in the same way any other non-addictive drug is good. i'm having a hard time naming many non-addictive drugs, though - all the well-loved legal ones (alcohol, nicotine, caffeine) are very addictive. but, as with those three, it's a recreational device. people enjoy the effect, and the vast majority of users don't turn into vegetables or frothing lunatics. that said, i'm not a big fan of it myself. but i don't think it's my place to tell other people what to do with their lives. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: marijuana is good in the same way any other non-addictive drug is good. It's addictive in its own right - just like alcohol. Neither of them are chemically addicting (esp. when compared to other drugs), but both of them can be mentally addicting. Also, we all know weed is a gateway drug. It rarely stops there. And, it does fry the brain. And, is it my place to tell people not to use it? No! But, it is my place to want it be to outlawed so my kids, people I care about, etc. won't have easier access to it. Jeremy Falcon
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I`m SO there wrote: Hmm, that's a decidedly unright-wing thing to say. Interesting how your views flip-flop back and forth based on what people are talking about. Huh?!? Since when do "right-wing" people not care about others. We may have a different view on what is the proper thing to do in certain situations, but that doesn't mean we care any less. How are my views flip flopping? When I have I ever said that we should not look after people? I take personal offence at you accusing me of flip flopping. My sig has had the "power for good" quote for a long time. Part of that is to look after other people. Something that I take very seriously. Being opposed to drug use is part of that stance.
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I`m SO there wrote: :Hmm, that's a decidedly unright-wing thing to say. Interesting how your views flip-flop back and forth based on what people are talking about. PJ Arends wrote: Huh?!? PJ, this is an example of US politics, as I see it. You're not allowed to have your own views, your views have been parcelled for you by whatever side of politics you decide to sell your soul to... Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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PJ Arends wrote: We as a civil society have a responsibility to look after the weak among us. And it is better to stop them from hurting themselves in the first place, rather then picking them up after they have hit rock bottom. We will never have 100% success, but we still have to try. In a word - bullshit. many years ago, back when just having 1 joint could get you 5-10 years in the pen, I was attending a pretty well known school out on the left coast. Back in those halcyon days there was some fine dope around campus - I mean fine. I was holding down 2 jobs and carrying 15 hours and was known, from time to time, to imbibe rather freely and it was in basically the same spirit as a keg party. From my circle of friends there at that time several are at NASA and two are at JPL. One is a fellow at Cal Tech. In other words - it did not rot our brains - make us into zombies - stifle our intellectual curiousity. I am not saying its a good thing - because I don't believe it is - but its not as bad as the propaganda would lead you to believe. In all things moderation serves to describe things very well. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Yeah, but how long did you smoke it? And, yes it does fry your brain, but over time. Smoking for a three years actually does make a difference (don't let ego fool) you, I have not yet found someone I would consider intelligent that has smoked weed their whole life. And yes, I have met plenty of people who did smoke it. Jeremy Falcon
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Yeah, but how long did you smoke it? And, yes it does fry your brain, but over time. Smoking for a three years actually does make a difference (don't let ego fool) you, I have not yet found someone I would consider intelligent that has smoked weed their whole life. And yes, I have met plenty of people who did smoke it. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Yeah, but how long did you smoke From about 1966 till around 1975 Jeremy Falcon wrote: I have not yet found someone I would consider intelligent that has smoked weed their whole life. Then you have a small circle of friends. I know of a Prof. at SMU who is in his early 70's that has smoked dope since the late 50's. He seems to be quite stable thank you. Again I am reminded of the old joke "We are all preachers - just some of us are fer it and some agin it". Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Chris Losinger wrote: marijuana is good in the same way any other non-addictive drug is good. It's addictive in its own right - just like alcohol. Neither of them are chemically addicting (esp. when compared to other drugs), but both of them can be mentally addicting. Also, we all know weed is a gateway drug. It rarely stops there. And, it does fry the brain. And, is it my place to tell people not to use it? No! But, it is my place to want it be to outlawed so my kids, people I care about, etc. won't have easier access to it. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Also, we all know weed is a gateway drug. i am seriously skeptical about that phrase. there's nothing about pot that makes anyone want cocaine - the two effects are completely different. it's like claiming beer makes you want coffee or that beer makes you want pot. maybe trying pot knocks down taboos that makes it a little more acceptable to try other things, but that would be a function of society and culture, and not anything related to pot per se. -c Software | Cleek
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Mike Mullikin wrote: It wasn't meant to be a serious comparison. It was a serious discussion. Everytime I have ever clashed w/ you mike, you either stray from the point or make a ridiculous example. Can't you stay on topic and represent your position within the context of the discussion. Counter my points, and make a few of your own, hmm? Mike Mullikin wrote: I used an extreme condition to point out that one does not have to experience something to know it's not healthy. And I pointed out the flaw in your logic that your analagy does not apply to weed, it primarily applies to things like shotgun blasts to the face. I did not say healthy. Of course pot is not healthy for your body parts. Your lungs are never too happy about smoke being drawn into them. I said 'absolutly nothing to offer'. I think we both know short of being suicidal shooting oneself w/ said shotgun does not have much to offer. This is why there is no shotgun face shooting epidemic going around. Weed, however, has a much more complex set of pros & cons. Its not black and white such as the shotgun thing, and is the reason why there is a large subculture of marijuana smokers. Mike Mullikin wrote: You asked PJ if he had ever smoked pot. He said "No". You immediately discredited him and his opinion in turn. I was trying to identify and broadcast to others his experience and credentials to be speaking on the subject. He has no personal experience w/ marijuana and only has negative things to say about it. It just seems to me that perspective might not be representative of the entire picture. Mike Mullikin wrote: Get it?! It was also an attempt at humour. I'm still your friend mike, but maaann we dont think much alike. ;) Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: Can't you stay on topic and represent your position within the context of the discussion. I already did - down below in the thread in a discussion with Christian & Chris. But today is the day after the thread was born and my easily bored mind starts to wonder and I get silly. I honestly never thought anyone would take my shotgun comparison literally. joshfl wrote: I'm still your friend mike, but maaann we dont think much alike. Maybe it's all those years you've been smoking pot? ;P Or maybe it's all those years I've been sipping margaritas? ;P "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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Chris Losinger wrote: marijuana is good in the same way any other non-addictive drug is good. It's addictive in its own right - just like alcohol. Neither of them are chemically addicting (esp. when compared to other drugs), but both of them can be mentally addicting. Also, we all know weed is a gateway drug. It rarely stops there. And, it does fry the brain. And, is it my place to tell people not to use it? No! But, it is my place to want it be to outlawed so my kids, people I care about, etc. won't have easier access to it. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: It's addictive in its own right - just like alcohol. Neither of them are chemically addicting Actually, alcohol is chemically addictive. Jeremy Falcon wrote: Also, we all know weed is a gateway drug Do we? The concept is absurd. One could equally well claim that meeting people socially is the real gateway. Jeremy Falcon wrote: And, is it my place to tell people not to use it? No! But, it is my place to want it be to outlawed so my kids, people I care about, etc. won't have easier access to it. Your logic here is really screwy. If you want it outlawed, then you want to tell people they can't use it.
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That would certainly explain the "SO" in caps in your new name. Subtle. :) Regards, Alvaro
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Ba-dum-ching! I really didn't notice that until you pointed it out :) BTW, apparently I have a new article up today? Sweet!? :evilcackle: I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2
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KaЯl wrote: Moreover, some people are much more sensitive to THC *ding ding ding ding* And I am the winner on that subject. :-D I can't understand how people actually enjoy that buzz! It's like being in a carousel that's spinning about as fast as light itself. And not to mention how fast my short term memory deteriorates when I've got THC in my blood. My memory shrinks into a 1 minute frame - I can't remember anything that happened 2 minutes earlier. Wine's my drug of choice. :cool: -- Denn du bist, was du isst! Und ihr wisst, was es ist! Es ist mein Teil...?
Qu'importe le flacon, pourvu qu'on ait l'ivresse! = (nevermind the bottle, as long as you're intoxicated ) I'm not fond of alcohol myself, I'm sick too easily, the opposite of your situation. And now that I'm a pure non-smoker (15 days and holding! :cool: ), I will have to suffer Life without any artificial diversion :sigh: I can't wait for the invention of a spray of THC. There's a big market for such a product (I give the idea for almost free, I just want free samples for a life time :rolleyes: )
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Qu'importe le flacon, pourvu qu'on ait l'ivresse! = (nevermind the bottle, as long as you're intoxicated ) I'm not fond of alcohol myself, I'm sick too easily, the opposite of your situation. And now that I'm a pure non-smoker (15 days and holding! :cool: ), I will have to suffer Life without any artificial diversion :sigh: I can't wait for the invention of a spray of THC. There's a big market for such a product (I give the idea for almost free, I just want free samples for a life time :rolleyes: )
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KaЯl wrote: I'm not fond of alcohol myself, I'm sick too easily, the opposite of your situation. Well, heh, I can get pretty sick by drinking alcohol too! :-D But I usually require a rather large quantity of alcohol before I get sick. I need perhaps a quarter of a joint to be stoned beyond recognition. The last time (and my last time I've decided!), I remember "walking out of the haze" just outside where I lived (I've moved since), only to find a bunch of kids (18, 19 years old), having some sort of rapping contest. The next thing I remembered was my bathroom ceiling light. Apparently I had fallen asleep on my bathroom floor (which has happened under alcohol influence as well :-O) KaЯl wrote: 15 days and holding! Hang in there! Actually, I'm laying off the booze for an indefinite amount of time. I promised myself on midsummer's eve that I would not drink for a long time. It's been 1.5 months since, and I believe I can manage at least 1.5 more months. If I manage that long, I can probably manage until next summer, as I generally don't like drinking during the winter. KaЯl wrote: I can't wait for the invention of a spray of THC. There's a big market for such a product (I give the idea for almost free, I just want free samples for a life time ) I've heard stories about making tea out of cannabis leaves and sprouts. Would that work to your satisfaction? -- Denn du bist, was du isst! Und ihr wisst, was es ist! Es ist mein Teil...?
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KaЯl wrote: I'm not fond of alcohol myself, I'm sick too easily, the opposite of your situation. Well, heh, I can get pretty sick by drinking alcohol too! :-D But I usually require a rather large quantity of alcohol before I get sick. I need perhaps a quarter of a joint to be stoned beyond recognition. The last time (and my last time I've decided!), I remember "walking out of the haze" just outside where I lived (I've moved since), only to find a bunch of kids (18, 19 years old), having some sort of rapping contest. The next thing I remembered was my bathroom ceiling light. Apparently I had fallen asleep on my bathroom floor (which has happened under alcohol influence as well :-O) KaЯl wrote: 15 days and holding! Hang in there! Actually, I'm laying off the booze for an indefinite amount of time. I promised myself on midsummer's eve that I would not drink for a long time. It's been 1.5 months since, and I believe I can manage at least 1.5 more months. If I manage that long, I can probably manage until next summer, as I generally don't like drinking during the winter. KaЯl wrote: I can't wait for the invention of a spray of THC. There's a big market for such a product (I give the idea for almost free, I just want free samples for a life time ) I've heard stories about making tea out of cannabis leaves and sprouts. Would that work to your satisfaction? -- Denn du bist, was du isst! Und ihr wisst, was es ist! Es ist mein Teil...?
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: need perhaps a quarter of a joint to be stoned beyond recognition. Lucky guy! :laugh::laugh: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: The next thing I remembered was my bathroom ceiling light Yep, the famous "Black Hole" ...generally more associated with alcohol, but always a strange experience (I'm lucky I never experencied such a thing...ouf!). And always these scary questions: what happened during this time, why are all my friends laughing when talking about it, and why do I have a big hole in the back of my trousers? :rolleyes: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Hang in there! Stopping pot is very, very easy. But this fucking tobacco, it's another story! What a bloody drug! The first week I could have killed any life on Earth...after two weeks, that better, I just want to kill half of it :rolleyes: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I'm laying off the booze for an indefinite amount of time Problem of alcoholism? :~ Or just a will to change of life style? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I've heard stories about making tea out of cannabis leaves and sprouts Yeah, it works too. You can also mix some cannabis to cook what we call a "space cake"...nothing new there, Baudelaire used hashish as marmalade on a slice of bread. The "problem" is the effect is slower to come, but last much more and need bigger quantities of product.
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Gary Kirkham wrote: Not hardly, what does the legal system have to do with a crack addict that spends all of his money to support an ever increasing demand for more crack. He can't hold down a job because he is high all the time and is forced to steal from others (or turn to prostitution if female) just to buy his next fix. Crack is a drug that should definately remain illegal, but to answer your questions: What the legal system has to do with it is the fact that s/he is spending all their money/turning to crime because of the high price of the drug, which in turn, is caused by the fact that it's sold illegally by people looking to make the highest possible profit, and to cover the costs of AK-47's, etc. Gary Kirkham wrote: If an addict turns to other forms of crime just to support his habit it could hardly be called victimless. You're right, and you've made a major leap in the substance we are discussing. However, the drug taking is still victimless, the crime is the theft/whatever, which occurs BECAUSE the drug is illegal, and therefore price and supply is in the hands of criminals. Gary Kirkham wrote: What about children who are forced to live in hunger and squalor because mamma can't afford food and is too high to care. That happens with alcohol today. So again, any problem that can be brought up, can equally be applied to currently legal drugs. We have agencies dedicated to removing children from harmful situations, and not all of them involve drugs, although most probably do, because the same people stupid enough to do that to their own kids, are probably stupid enough to do hard drugs. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: Crack is a drug that should definately remain illegal, Why? Are you the same person who wrote this? Christian Graus wrote: Personally, I don't do any of them, but I don't care what is and isn't legal. To me, it's all just a form of natural selection, and I'd rate dope as less of a problem than either of the legal drugs I mentioned. Make up your mind Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Christian Graus wrote: Crack is a drug that should definately remain illegal, Why? Are you the same person who wrote this? Christian Graus wrote: Personally, I don't do any of them, but I don't care what is and isn't legal. To me, it's all just a form of natural selection, and I'd rate dope as less of a problem than either of the legal drugs I mentioned. Make up your mind Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Yes, I personally don't care what drugs are and are not legal, because ( and this is my point ) I don't take drugs because they are bad for me, not because they are illegal. Anyone who takes crack has nothing to offer society anyhow. That does not mean I think it should be legal, just that I personally don't care if it is. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: need perhaps a quarter of a joint to be stoned beyond recognition. Lucky guy! :laugh::laugh: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: The next thing I remembered was my bathroom ceiling light Yep, the famous "Black Hole" ...generally more associated with alcohol, but always a strange experience (I'm lucky I never experencied such a thing...ouf!). And always these scary questions: what happened during this time, why are all my friends laughing when talking about it, and why do I have a big hole in the back of my trousers? :rolleyes: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Hang in there! Stopping pot is very, very easy. But this fucking tobacco, it's another story! What a bloody drug! The first week I could have killed any life on Earth...after two weeks, that better, I just want to kill half of it :rolleyes: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I'm laying off the booze for an indefinite amount of time Problem of alcoholism? :~ Or just a will to change of life style? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I've heard stories about making tea out of cannabis leaves and sprouts Yeah, it works too. You can also mix some cannabis to cook what we call a "space cake"...nothing new there, Baudelaire used hashish as marmalade on a slice of bread. The "problem" is the effect is slower to come, but last much more and need bigger quantities of product.
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KaЯl wrote: Problem of alcoholism? Or just a will to change of life style? Nah, it's just a thing I do every second year. This is the year of good health and proper training. As soon as I reach a "peak", I'll be on my way downwards again. :) -- Denn du bist, was du isst! Und ihr wisst, was es ist! Es ist mein Teil...?