Switching to Firefox
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I took the step, and for the moment no regret. I'm not disoriented, I think the surf is faster, and I've found all the functionalities I wanted. No big difference with CP, and that matters. The preview is a little bit strange, the emoticons are displayed with a bigger space in between, but for the moment nothing worrying (<edit> I found some differences when replying: the "quote" button disapperead, as the formatting buttons, but who doesn't know HTML tags by heart anyway? :-D </edit> ) The only small disappointment is about the display of the netscape-like icon displayed for pictures before they are loaded: I find it awful and useless. Anyway, I would recommend it, it's a great alternative to IE. I'm so happy with firefox that for my mail client I switched from Eudora (kill Outlook, kill!) to Thunderbird. Let's continue the experiment, and discover what extensions can offer: seems promising :cool:
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I mostly use Netscape these days, except for Code Project, of course. KaЯl wrote: kill Outlook, kill! Hmmm. At work we had Lots Notes before, and when we switched to Outlook, it was a Good Thing.
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IE is still my browser of choice, but Thunderbird has really rocked my email part of the world. It actually works as intended! Wohoo! :jig: -- ...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
Same here. Still using CrazyBrowser which uses IE. Have Mozilla and Opera for testing although I am not concerned about Oprea anymore as I classify them as one at the bottom of the pile. I am sure there are still quite a few people that have paid for Opera however and they will be die hard until the end :) Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.MyQuickPoll.com - 2004 Election poll is #33 www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com "We plan for the future, we learn from the past, we live life in the present!"
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I was completely surprised and frankly overjoyed to see just how many people were using FireFox when I asked for those screenshots*. I was expecting a bunch of Windows developers to be IE users through and through. * No, that wasn't the point of my request. Just a nice side benefit of asking. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: "Gassho rei, Watson-san!" Crikey! ain't life grand?
Well, at least the ones that replied :) Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.MyQuickPoll.com - 2004 Election poll is #33 www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com "We plan for the future, we learn from the past, we live life in the present!"
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Well, at least the ones that replied :) Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.MyQuickPoll.com - 2004 Election poll is #33 www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com "We plan for the future, we learn from the past, we live life in the present!"
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Paul Watson wrote: Are you connecting to an Exchange mailbox with it? Nope. Paul Watson wrote: didn't support it or didn't work. Hmmm. I have no idea whether that problem has been corrected or not. So what did you do with all those screenshots people sent you? Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog Hunt The Wumpus RealDevs.Net
Cool, just connected Thunderbird to Exchange (via IMAP) and 6208 Inbox email headers have been downloaded. I remember my problem now. It couldn't send, had authentication problems with our Exchange server. Works great now. I really like the Search Folders and Flagging of Outlook 2003 though, nice of there are Thunderbird extensions like those. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: "Gassho rei, Watson-san!" Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Simon Walton wrote: to be lacking in some really basic features Such as...? I've never found anything lacking, on the contrary, I've found it to work exceedingly well. The filters are just excellent compared to the crud in Outlook - it works! But then again, filtering is to me the most critical feature. -- ...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
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I didn't help out because my desktop was quite a mess.. I have two monitors and run at 1280x1024 on both screens and have one screen completely filled with icons and the other one half way :-O This forced me today to spend almost two hours cleaning things up and finally reducing it to only 58 icons :) Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.MyQuickPoll.com - 2004 Election poll is #33 www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com "We plan for the future, we learn from the past, we live life in the present!"
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I took the step, and for the moment no regret. I'm not disoriented, I think the surf is faster, and I've found all the functionalities I wanted. No big difference with CP, and that matters. The preview is a little bit strange, the emoticons are displayed with a bigger space in between, but for the moment nothing worrying (<edit> I found some differences when replying: the "quote" button disapperead, as the formatting buttons, but who doesn't know HTML tags by heart anyway? :-D </edit> ) The only small disappointment is about the display of the netscape-like icon displayed for pictures before they are loaded: I find it awful and useless. Anyway, I would recommend it, it's a great alternative to IE. I'm so happy with firefox that for my mail client I switched from Eudora (kill Outlook, kill!) to Thunderbird. Let's continue the experiment, and discover what extensions can offer: seems promising :cool:
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Definitely get the All-In-One Gestures extension. Once you start using mouse gestures, you'll never want to go back. :-D
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Definitely get the All-In-One Gestures extension. Once you start using mouse gestures, you'll never want to go back. :-D
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I totally agree! I can't manage without them now, Opera has had them for years. Firefox now replaces IE for the one site Opera does not work on i.e. CP.In the future I can see me moving to Firefox, opera has a couple of feature I like that Firefox does not have But I have to hide from the clikety police:sigh:
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: IE is still my browser of choice Any reason for that?
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It looks and feels quicker IMO. And all CP features works in it too. :) -- ...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: IE is still my browser of choice Well, I decided a long time ago that I can't live without a browser that supports tab'd windows. So, it's Avant for me, but it's still an IE engine. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog Hunt The Wumpus RealDevs.Net
Tabs are really nice, I have to admit that. But the last time I installed Avant, it messed up some registry keys for me (UserAgent and other things), which made CP not like me much. I don't dare go there again. :~ -- ...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
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You want to run your "the benefits are" speech by us? I'd be interested to hear them as I battle with my co-workers too on something as clear cut as FireFox over IE*. * I see you use IE, you bad man. :P regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: "Gassho rei, Watson-san!" Crikey! ain't life grand?
The key arguments I'm stressing are security and simplicity. Another thing which really annoys me is the setup we have. We fetch our external mail from an ISP's mail server. It is also the same server which we send external mail to. We also have a local exchange server for some unknown reason. And the Outlook clients knows this, and will thus "optimize" the delivery of internal email. The side effect of this is that we who use Thunderbird, won't get any internal email, which is downright annoying. I don't really have any good technical arguments why Thunderbird is better than Outlook other than security statistics. Outlook's been subject to viral deceases than Thunderbird. Not that the statistics says much due to other circumstances than the technical. -- ...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
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Sorry, no. I let the XP theme decide the looks, and I must say I really like the Watercolor XP theme. -- ...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Such as...? He went on to explain some of them, or did you not read the rest of the message. But, I can add more... For me it is a pain to find out what email accounts I have new mail as you cannot see the number of message when you close the mail folder. Small, but a pain. For me it is a pain to adjust the settings for junk mail as it applies to the currently selected account. That means you have to select an account, then select the menu for junk mail settings and then make the changes and repeat this for every account. A pain.. For me it is a pain to adjust settings for the account as you have to do it for each account. While it is in a tree form and not as annoying as the junk mail settings, it is still a pain with a lot of accounts. For me it is a pain to setup individual smtp accounts if required for different accounts. By default it only uses one, so you have to go into the advanced settings and add each one manually. Although small, it is yet another pain. For me it is a pain that they do not provide spell checking while you type. You have to choose the option when you want to check spelling. For me it is a pain that they do not provide background send mail. It pops up that window and you have to wait until it sends you message. Very annoying when trying to rip through a lot of replies! Occasionally, the mail checking seems to stop. If my machine is one for days I will find after a while that it is no longer checking for mail. Do not know if it has something to do with having a lot of accounts or not. All of these I seem to suffer through without a lot of effort. It is better than worring I will open a message that some new virus has attached to or that I that something will get corrupted in my Office install (which happened recently) requiring me to reinstall and taking the extra time to reconfigure Outlook. I also give them a lot of credit since it is not even a 1.0 version yet! :) Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.MyQuickPoll.com - 2004 Election poll is #33 www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com "We plan for the future, we learn from the past, we live life in the present!"
Rocky Moore wrote: He went on to explain some of them, or did you not read the rest of the message Huh? Where did he explain some of them? :confused: Rocky Moore wrote: Occasionally, the mail checking seems to stop. If my machine is one for days I will find after a while that it is no longer checking for mail. Do not know if it has something to do with having a lot of accounts or not. That I have never experienced. I have my work machine up and running for weeks at a time, and I have 2 accounts. What version were/are you running? Rocky Moore wrote: All of these I seem to suffer through without a lot of effort. I don't use email as much as you seem to do, so I'm not suffering at all. :-D Rocky Moore wrote: I also give them a lot of credit since it is not even a 1.0 version yet! Uh huh. That's why I'm so anxious to upgrade to a new version all the time. I'm curious to see what they've fixed, made better and added. I've never experienced any devestating bugs in Thunderbird, so I don't fear upgrading a working install even on my work machine. :) -- ...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
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I have personally found thunderbird to be lacking in some really basic features. It also has some really annoying traits, like forwarding as an attachment with no obvious way of forwarding inline. Thanks, Simey
While not blatantly obvious, have you tried Message > Forward As > Inline or Tools > Options > Composition > Forwarding Messages ?
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I was completely surprised and frankly overjoyed to see just how many people were using FireFox when I asked for those screenshots*. I was expecting a bunch of Windows developers to be IE users through and through. * No, that wasn't the point of my request. Just a nice side benefit of asking. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: "Gassho rei, Watson-san!" Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: I was completely surprised and frankly overjoyed to see just how many people were using FireFox when I asked for those screenshots Your request and your comments about Firefox is the reason why I decided to give it a try. So many developpers can't be wrong :-D
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The key arguments I'm stressing are security and simplicity. Another thing which really annoys me is the setup we have. We fetch our external mail from an ISP's mail server. It is also the same server which we send external mail to. We also have a local exchange server for some unknown reason. And the Outlook clients knows this, and will thus "optimize" the delivery of internal email. The side effect of this is that we who use Thunderbird, won't get any internal email, which is downright annoying. I don't really have any good technical arguments why Thunderbird is better than Outlook other than security statistics. Outlook's been subject to viral deceases than Thunderbird. Not that the statistics says much due to other circumstances than the technical. -- ...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
Well my Thunderbird joy was a bit premature. Gone back to Outlook for now. TB just choked on sycnhing 6783 messages (headers and body) from our Exchange box. I thought Outlook was poor at doing it but hell I left TB all night to do it and I come back and it is prompting me to re-enter my AD password on message #50. I'll give it a bash again once I've cleared my inbox up a bit. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: "Gassho rei, Watson-san!" Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Well my Thunderbird joy was a bit premature. Gone back to Outlook for now. TB just choked on sycnhing 6783 messages (headers and body) from our Exchange box. I thought Outlook was poor at doing it but hell I left TB all night to do it and I come back and it is prompting me to re-enter my AD password on message #50. I'll give it a bash again once I've cleared my inbox up a bit. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: "Gassho rei, Watson-san!" Crikey! ain't life grand?
6783 messages!? By George, that is a lot of messages! Whenever I reach 100, I start cleaning up my mailbox. I did have about 1000 messages at one point though, but TB managed it just fine. I got around 600 CVS messages and around 400 CP notifications, when I came back from a long out of town assignment. -- ...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
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6783 messages!? By George, that is a lot of messages! Whenever I reach 100, I start cleaning up my mailbox. I did have about 1000 messages at one point though, but TB managed it just fine. I got around 600 CVS messages and around 400 CP notifications, when I came back from a long out of town assignment. -- ...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
Another annoying thing is that it deleted an Outlook PST file. I have a data folder with a sub-folder called email. In that I just had a PST. So I pointed TB at that folder so that it would store it's offline cache there. Well, it went and cleared the folder before doing it's thing. Glad I have a backup. As for 6000+ messages. It's a side-result of using Outlook 2003 Search Folders. They rock. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: "Gassho rei, Watson-san!" Crikey! ain't life grand?