Java v.s. C#
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WillemM wrote: I won't start a discussion about Java v.s. C#. But you have;P I hate the fact that I have to take a Java class next year. Stupid degree requirements.
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[erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.Don't hate it... enjoy it.. You'll learn to appreciate things in C# more... like the fact that C# doesn't have checked exceptions (thank God.. I've always found that checked exceptions lead to lazy programmers .. i.e. "Just catch exception and throw it up the stack or just catch exception and eat it up")... and the fact that C# has properties, and attributes, etc. Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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WillemM wrote: I won't start a discussion about Java v.s. C#. But you have;P I hate the fact that I have to take a Java class next year. Stupid degree requirements.
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[erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.Yeah, I have to learn Java as part of my degree too...start in october but they want me learning how to use BlueJ IDE before I get there.
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No this is not a discussion whether java or C# is better. But just a simple fact I discovered today: I made a simple library program in C# with a one book per user principle. And I made exactly the same application in Java. The C# application runs on Windows XP Pro SP2 and the Java application on a Blade 100 desktop. Well, the diffirence between Java and C# was noticable. Java was approx. 70% slower than C#. Hurray for C# if you ask me. I don't know, but the applications were not bigger than 16k each. So that's what I call light weight, but the Java UI was not responsive at all. The startup time of the Java was longer, the response time when clicking on a button was longer, the response time when coming back to the main menu of the application from a random dialog was longer. Everything was slower :(. But again, that's just my test case and I won't start a discussion about Java v.s. C#. Because other people have different experiences and maybe the computers were just too slow to even run Java. "Every rule in a world of bits and bytes can be bend or eventually be broken"
As pankajdaga pointed out, it might be worth looking at SWT... but then SUN won't like you because SUN hate SWT. Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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Don't hate it... enjoy it.. You'll learn to appreciate things in C# more... like the fact that C# doesn't have checked exceptions (thank God.. I've always found that checked exceptions lead to lazy programmers .. i.e. "Just catch exception and throw it up the stack or just catch exception and eat it up")... and the fact that C# has properties, and attributes, etc. Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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Yeah, I have to learn Java as part of my degree too...start in october but they want me learning how to use BlueJ IDE before I get there.
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That's the one I'll be using as well. Can you tell me anything about it? Good/Bad. Is it free?;)
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As pankajdaga pointed out, it might be worth looking at SWT... but then SUN won't like you because SUN hate SWT. Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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Don't hate it... enjoy it.. You'll learn to appreciate things in C# more... like the fact that C# doesn't have checked exceptions (thank God.. I've always found that checked exceptions lead to lazy programmers .. i.e. "Just catch exception and throw it up the stack or just catch exception and eat it up")... and the fact that C# has properties, and attributes, etc. Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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http://www.briandela.com/rss/newsrss.xml RSS FeedBrian Delahunty wrote: Don't hate it... enjoy it I'll try
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Lucky you, I have to follow the java classes this year, as well as information analysis 1 en 2. :( :( "Every rule in a world of bits and bytes can be bend or eventually be broken"
All but 1 of my classes are general education/elective classes my freshmen year... I'm going for an Information Systems BS, but who knows I might change my mind after this year.
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That's the one I'll be using as well. Can you tell me anything about it? Good/Bad. Is it free?;)
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[erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.Yeah, its free. I have downloaded it, but havent really used it, just fired it up once to take a peek. I will give it a proper look at later.
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That's the one I'll be using as well. Can you tell me anything about it? Good/Bad. Is it free?;)
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[erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.Sorry to bust your bubble....BlueJ sucks :((. I suppose it has it's uses if this is your first in depth look into object orientated architecture...but really -- it sucks in terms of "Java". The only thing you can possibly take away from BlueJ is the CONCEPT of object orientated. But if you really want to learn Java itself, I suggest looking elsewhere.... Aubrey
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No this is not a discussion whether java or C# is better. But just a simple fact I discovered today: I made a simple library program in C# with a one book per user principle. And I made exactly the same application in Java. The C# application runs on Windows XP Pro SP2 and the Java application on a Blade 100 desktop. Well, the diffirence between Java and C# was noticable. Java was approx. 70% slower than C#. Hurray for C# if you ask me. I don't know, but the applications were not bigger than 16k each. So that's what I call light weight, but the Java UI was not responsive at all. The startup time of the Java was longer, the response time when clicking on a button was longer, the response time when coming back to the main menu of the application from a random dialog was longer. Everything was slower :(. But again, that's just my test case and I won't start a discussion about Java v.s. C#. Because other people have different experiences and maybe the computers were just too slow to even run Java. "Every rule in a world of bits and bytes can be bend or eventually be broken"
My question is; WHEN WILL JAVA JUST ROLL OVER AND DIE, AND GET THE H*LL OUT OF MY LIFE!??! :~ :mad::~ I feel better now. :) -- Arigato gozaimashita!
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Don't hate it... enjoy it.. You'll learn to appreciate things in C# more... like the fact that C# doesn't have checked exceptions (thank God.. I've always found that checked exceptions lead to lazy programmers .. i.e. "Just catch exception and throw it up the stack or just catch exception and eat it up")... and the fact that C# has properties, and attributes, etc. Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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http://www.briandela.com/rss/newsrss.xml RSS FeedDon't hate it... enjoy it.. You'll learn to appreciate things in C# more... like the fact that C# doesn't have checked exceptions (thank God.. I've always found that checked exceptions lead to lazy programmers .. i.e. "Just catch exception and throw it up the stack or just catch exception and eat it up")... and the fact that C# has properties, and attributes, etc. Ergh, those are the features that make me like Java *more* than C#. Checked exceptions at least let you know a function is going to throw something (although functions that have "throws Exception" are extremely annoying, I'll give you that... :mad: ) Properties are silly. They look like they were put into C# just to appease COM and VB programmers. One thing I hate about both, though, is the fact that the "finalize" method exists. It is completely useless in a garbage-collected environment since you don't know when - or if - it will ever get called. Why not just eliminate it and not even give the programmer the false impression that it actually does something useful. :confused: An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
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My question is; WHEN WILL JAVA JUST ROLL OVER AND DIE, AND GET THE H*LL OUT OF MY LIFE!??! :~ :mad::~ I feel better now. :) -- Arigato gozaimashita!
As soon as there are free C# compilers, IDEs, and virtual machines for every environment. In other words, never. :) (Yes, Mono shows promise.. but there's no way C#/.NET will ever be anywhere near as portable as Java is now. And considering even Java isn't always portable, that's saying something... :~ ) An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
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As pankajdaga pointed out, it might be worth looking at SWT... but then SUN won't like you because SUN hate SWT. Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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http://www.briandela.com/rss/newsrss.xml RSS FeedSWT is the way to go. You will never, ever, achieve the performance of native widgets if you take an approach like Swing and emulate them. An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
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WillemM wrote: I won't start a discussion about Java v.s. C#. But you have;P I hate the fact that I have to take a Java class next year. Stupid degree requirements.
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[erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.Quitcher whinin'. Why, when I was your age, neither Java nor C# had been invented yet! We were lucky to get C++. My high school classes were either in straight C or Pascal. :doh: It's the process of learning how procedural and object oriented coding works, not the language itself, that's important. And wait until you deal with a functional language like Scheme or Lisp.... or logical one like Prolog... :-O An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
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The Java Swing user interface is very slow. Try the application using the SWT UI library from IBM. It looks very nice and it is much faster. Cheers, Pankaj /** I'm the one who's gonna have to die When it's time for me to die So let me live my life The way I want to - Jimi Hendrix */
Thats true, but..... just look at something like IntelliJ IDEA and you'll see that good Swing UIs do exist. In my opinion, IDEA rivals Visual Studio for development tools.
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My question is; WHEN WILL JAVA JUST ROLL OVER AND DIE, AND GET THE H*LL OUT OF MY LIFE!??! :~ :mad::~ I feel better now. :) -- Arigato gozaimashita!
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You seem to have traumatic experiences with java :P "Every rule in a world of bits and bytes can be bend or eventually be broken"
Yes.. it slows me down, drags me down, making it hard for me to breathe. -- Arigato gozaimashita!
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My question is; WHEN WILL JAVA JUST ROLL OVER AND DIE, AND GET THE H*LL OUT OF MY LIFE!??! :~ :mad::~ I feel better now. :) -- Arigato gozaimashita!
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Sorry to bust your bubble....BlueJ sucks :((. I suppose it has it's uses if this is your first in depth look into object orientated architecture...but really -- it sucks in terms of "Java". The only thing you can possibly take away from BlueJ is the CONCEPT of object orientated. But if you really want to learn Java itself, I suggest looking elsewhere.... Aubrey
Been using it for 10mins and figured that out.
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