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  • P Paul Watson

    I had a friend who applied for a part-time job at a clothing store, and she was given a personality test called an "honesty test." She actually failed it, because of a question like "Everybody lies sometimes." She said yes. She didn't get the job and was told that part of the reason was that she had failed the honesty test, because you were supposed to say, "No, I don't lie. People don't lie." from Yes, I've had tarry bowel movements! So what? on Salon. An article on the scourge of personality tests. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?

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    Antony M Kancidrowski
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    :wtf: Well that's one for the psychology students! Ant. I'm hard, yet soft.
    I'm coloured, yet clear.
    I'm fruity and sweet.
    I'm jelly, what am I? Muse on it further, I shall return!
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    • P Paul Watson

      I had a friend who applied for a part-time job at a clothing store, and she was given a personality test called an "honesty test." She actually failed it, because of a question like "Everybody lies sometimes." She said yes. She didn't get the job and was told that part of the reason was that she had failed the honesty test, because you were supposed to say, "No, I don't lie. People don't lie." from Yes, I've had tarry bowel movements! So what? on Salon. An article on the scourge of personality tests. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?

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      Back when i was in school, one of my gen-eds was a intro psych course. I hated this class more than any other class before or since. It ranked right up there with speech as a class that inspired great disgust in me for the subject as a whole. The class was everything an intro gen-ed class should not be, with massive amounts of memorization, pitiful amounts of explanation, frequent tests (of memorization), and an instructor unwilling to entertain the idea that a good portion of what she was trying to teach might sound like complete bullshit to the uninitiated. Needless to say, i got nothing out of the class, apart from the realization that three pages of eloquent BS was just as acceptable as three pages of careful research, and is much easier to write. However, one lesson stuck with me: the discussion of personality tests, and their uses. Our instructor considered them a useful tool, and explained several applications for various tests. I was horrified to realize that these might actually be taken seriously for determining a subject's suitability for employment/education/otherwise, and said as much. I noted that for such uses, the results of such a test should at least be able to predict with some accuracy how a subject would react to a specific situation, something they did not purport to do in anything beyond general terms. I also noted that the tests could be heavily affected by a less-than-cooperative subject, or by a subjective test administrator. I was dismissively told that test results were only used for better understanding of people, and that subject bias was accounted for in the testing methods (methods that were, however, not described or explained). I took a dim view this answer. Later, when i was dismissed from a job interview after taking a preliminary personality test, i took an even more dim view of the answer. The tests can make fun party games, and are good ways to facilitate discussion and reflection among those with enough patience to sit through them. But i have never seen evidence that they can be properly used for anything else. :|
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      • D David Crow

        Paul Watson wrote: ...because of a question like "Everybody lies sometimes." She said yes. So what was the question? Nonetheless, not only do people lie sometimes, they lie most of the time! Remember, the noun 'lie' has at least two meanings.


        "When I was born I was so surprised that I didn't talk for a year and a half." - Gracie Allen

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        Nonetheless, not only do people lie sometimes, they lie most of the time! Remember, the noun 'lie' has at least two meanings. That's a lie. :-D An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.

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        • P Paul Watson

          I had a friend who applied for a part-time job at a clothing store, and she was given a personality test called an "honesty test." She actually failed it, because of a question like "Everybody lies sometimes." She said yes. She didn't get the job and was told that part of the reason was that she had failed the honesty test, because you were supposed to say, "No, I don't lie. People don't lie." from Yes, I've had tarry bowel movements! So what? on Salon. An article on the scourge of personality tests. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?

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          Nnamdi Onyeyiri
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          So they are asking people to lie in an honesty test :sigh:


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          • P Paul Watson

            I had a friend who applied for a part-time job at a clothing store, and she was given a personality test called an "honesty test." She actually failed it, because of a question like "Everybody lies sometimes." She said yes. She didn't get the job and was told that part of the reason was that she had failed the honesty test, because you were supposed to say, "No, I don't lie. People don't lie." from Yes, I've had tarry bowel movements! So what? on Salon. An article on the scourge of personality tests. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?

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            Well, by saying "no", you'd lie as well.. It's a tricky and dirty question. Sorry to hear that about your friend.

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            • P Paul Watson

              I had a friend who applied for a part-time job at a clothing store, and she was given a personality test called an "honesty test." She actually failed it, because of a question like "Everybody lies sometimes." She said yes. She didn't get the job and was told that part of the reason was that she had failed the honesty test, because you were supposed to say, "No, I don't lie. People don't lie." from Yes, I've had tarry bowel movements! So what? on Salon. An article on the scourge of personality tests. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?

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              Michael P Butler
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              Kirk: Harry lied to you, Norman. Everything Harry says is a lie. Remember that, Norman. *Everything* he says is a lie. Mudd: Now I want you to listen to me very carefully, Norman. I'm... lying. Norman: You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because you always lie... illogical! Illogical! Please explain! You are human; only humans can explain! Illogical! Kirk: I am not programmed to respond in that area. Michael CP Blog [^]

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              • M Michael Hendrickx

                Well, by saying "no", you'd lie as well.. It's a tricky and dirty question. Sorry to hear that about your friend.

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                Paul Watson
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                It was a quote from the article. Not my friend. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?

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                • P Paul Watson

                  I had a friend who applied for a part-time job at a clothing store, and she was given a personality test called an "honesty test." She actually failed it, because of a question like "Everybody lies sometimes." She said yes. She didn't get the job and was told that part of the reason was that she had failed the honesty test, because you were supposed to say, "No, I don't lie. People don't lie." from Yes, I've had tarry bowel movements! So what? on Salon. An article on the scourge of personality tests. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?

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                  Andy Brummer
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                  I was rejected from a job because of a personality test like that. Very few of the questions are that unambiguous. I didn't have a problem with being rejected because of the test. However, then gave it to me after two technical screenings that I passed with no problems. Essentailly they waited to give me a 15 minute test until after they wasted a month of both of our time. :mad:


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                    Nonetheless, not only do people lie sometimes, they lie most of the time! Remember, the noun 'lie' has at least two meanings. That's a lie. :-D An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.

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                    David Crow
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                    Navin wrote: That's a lie. No, it's factual.


                    "When I was born I was so surprised that I didn't talk for a year and a half." - Gracie Allen

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                    • P Paul Watson

                      I had a friend who applied for a part-time job at a clothing store, and she was given a personality test called an "honesty test." She actually failed it, because of a question like "Everybody lies sometimes." She said yes. She didn't get the job and was told that part of the reason was that she had failed the honesty test, because you were supposed to say, "No, I don't lie. People don't lie." from Yes, I've had tarry bowel movements! So what? on Salon. An article on the scourge of personality tests. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?

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                      When I was in college, I remember the professor talking about psychological tests. He says they usually add a few absolute questions just to see how honest the test-taker was being. By "absolute" questions, I mean questions like, "I never lie." If someone answers "yes" to that question, they assume they are dishonest because they figure that everyone lies sometimes. The "Everybody lies sometimes" question sounds like one of those absolute questions that any honest person would answer "yes" to. It sounds like the business was reading that question in exactly the opposite way than psychologists would. ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^]

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                      • D David Crow

                        Paul Watson wrote: ...because of a question like "Everybody lies sometimes." She said yes. So what was the question? Nonetheless, not only do people lie sometimes, they lie most of the time! Remember, the noun 'lie' has at least two meanings.


                        "When I was born I was so surprised that I didn't talk for a year and a half." - Gracie Allen

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                        And I think its a verb.

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                        • B Brian Delahunty

                          Well.. if she said yes.. then she should fail the test... Because "everybody" includes her... and if everyboyd lies sometime, then so does she, so she must be dishonest at some stage.. so she failed her honesty test. Anyway, personality tests are, as you say, a scourge IMHO. Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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                          Yulianto
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                          Brian Delahunty wrote: if she said yes.. then she should fail the test... If I was the interviewer, and she said yes, she could pass the test. Every body must have lied in his/her life, at least once. Anybody who never lied, reply this


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                            And I think its a verb.

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                            David Crow
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                            Right. It's also a noun.


                            "When I was born I was so surprised that I didn't talk for a year and a half." - Gracie Allen

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                            • P Paul Watson

                              I had a friend who applied for a part-time job at a clothing store, and she was given a personality test called an "honesty test." She actually failed it, because of a question like "Everybody lies sometimes." She said yes. She didn't get the job and was told that part of the reason was that she had failed the honesty test, because you were supposed to say, "No, I don't lie. People don't lie." from Yes, I've had tarry bowel movements! So what? on Salon. An article on the scourge of personality tests. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?

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                              I would think that only pathological liars, or naive idiots, would answer FALSE to that question. Rather odd screening test for a p/t job in a clothes store. More appropriate for politicians, I would have thought. Or would that be negative screening to only let the pathological liars through? Debbie

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