The cost of diabetes
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BBC news item[^] This is linked to obesity. 5% of the NHS budget. Think what else could be done with that money. I'm not being sanctimonious because I've had weight problems but making very good progess. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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BBC news item[^] This is linked to obesity. 5% of the NHS budget. Think what else could be done with that money. I'm not being sanctimonious because I've had weight problems but making very good progess. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
The rise in cases of diabete's is linked to the rise in obesity. Diabete's itself also affects numerous people from birth, and later, brought on by genetic disposition etc. One of my closest friends suffered from Diabete's from birth, she died from the associated problems at 28. My father contracted Type 2 diabete's at 57 or so, though not overweight let alone obese. The problem isn't diabete's it's the cause of the rise, obesity, that's the issue, and I wonder what percentage of NHS funds go on Obesity related illnesses each year? I really wish these articles would concentrate on the causes of these problems (obesity) rather than the effect of them. Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
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BBC news item[^] This is linked to obesity. 5% of the NHS budget. Think what else could be done with that money. I'm not being sanctimonious because I've had weight problems but making very good progess. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: This is linked to obesity. 188cm (6' 2"), 92KG (202 lbs), Type 2 diabetes. Don't think I am or was ever obese, but still got the old diabetes anyway. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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BBC news item[^] This is linked to obesity. 5% of the NHS budget. Think what else could be done with that money. I'm not being sanctimonious because I've had weight problems but making very good progess. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
In the A+E side this number is absolutely dwarfed by the cost treating alcohol related problems (both direct in terms of overdose and indirect in terms of car crashes and fights etc.) This in turn is dwarfed by the cost of adminstering the health service with its top heavy management structure and ever changing targets and functions. '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd
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BBC news item[^] This is linked to obesity. 5% of the NHS budget. Think what else could be done with that money. I'm not being sanctimonious because I've had weight problems but making very good progess. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: I'm not being sanctimonious because I've had weight problems but making very good progess. Me too. I tend to eat when stressed. I'm on my way down at the moment. (I peeked in February this year) I was in the "fat" category when I started my new exercise programme, but I'm hovering just inside the "overweight" category now. My aim is that by my next birthday (11 months away) I will be hovering around my ideal weight. The only thing wrong with that is that I've just started weight training, so I'm not reducing in overall weight as I'm converting fat to muscle. So I may have to alter my aim based on my body-fat content rather than simple weight/height ratio.
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Trollslayer wrote: I'm not being sanctimonious because I've had weight problems but making very good progess. Me too. I tend to eat when stressed. I'm on my way down at the moment. (I peeked in February this year) I was in the "fat" category when I started my new exercise programme, but I'm hovering just inside the "overweight" category now. My aim is that by my next birthday (11 months away) I will be hovering around my ideal weight. The only thing wrong with that is that I've just started weight training, so I'm not reducing in overall weight as I'm converting fat to muscle. So I may have to alter my aim based on my body-fat content rather than simple weight/height ratio.
Vogon Building and Loan advise that your planet is at risk if you do not keep up repayments on any mortgage secured upon it. Please remember that the force of gravity can go up as well as down.
Bodyfat % is a much better measure than BMI (Body Mass Index) for an individual. My BMI puts me as borderline obese, however I do a lot of weights and play rugby and there is no way I am fat. If my memory serves me correctly BMI was first used as a statistical tool in medical studies. So people with a high BMI were found to be statistically more likely to develop certain health problems. That doesn't mean BMI can be usefully applied to an individual. The only problem with bodyfat % is finding a simple, consistent way to measure it. Mike
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BBC news item[^] This is linked to obesity. 5% of the NHS budget. Think what else could be done with that money. I'm not being sanctimonious because I've had weight problems but making very good progess. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: This is linked to obesity In the past year my father (58 years old and obese) was diagnosed with diabetes. My cousin was also diagnosed as diabetic several years ago however he's the exact opposite of my dad at 28 (at the time) and skinny. I think some people are going to get it no matter what their diet and some wont even if they are morbidly obese. SuzyB If I had a better memory I would remember more.
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BBC news item[^] This is linked to obesity. 5% of the NHS budget. Think what else could be done with that money. I'm not being sanctimonious because I've had weight problems but making very good progess. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: This is linked to obesity. Not only this. I've seen a study (I'm searching my e-mails for a link...) showing that diabetes has a similar growth curve than (IIRC): 1. obesity 2. # of cars 3. Global papaya production 4. # of computers 5. # of flies on North Africa 6. AIDS 7. Sugar consumption Hey, sugar consumption? Isn't this more plausible? Maybe sugar consumption is even linked to obesity! Maybe even sugar is responsible for the # of flies on North Africa! :-D Yes, even I am blogging now!
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Trollslayer wrote: This is linked to obesity. Not only this. I've seen a study (I'm searching my e-mails for a link...) showing that diabetes has a similar growth curve than (IIRC): 1. obesity 2. # of cars 3. Global papaya production 4. # of computers 5. # of flies on North Africa 6. AIDS 7. Sugar consumption Hey, sugar consumption? Isn't this more plausible? Maybe sugar consumption is even linked to obesity! Maybe even sugar is responsible for the # of flies on North Africa! :-D Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: Not only this. I've seen a study (I'm searching my e-mails for a link...) showing that diabetes has a similar growth curve than (IIRC): 1. obesity 2. # of cars 3. Global papaya production 4. # of computers 5. # of flies on North Africa 6. AIDS 7. Sugar consumption :-D:-D:-D Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
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Trollslayer wrote: This is linked to obesity. 188cm (6' 2"), 92KG (202 lbs), Type 2 diabetes. Don't think I am or was ever obese, but still got the old diabetes anyway. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Bet all that drinking helps, eh?
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Trollslayer wrote: This is linked to obesity. Not only this. I've seen a study (I'm searching my e-mails for a link...) showing that diabetes has a similar growth curve than (IIRC): 1. obesity 2. # of cars 3. Global papaya production 4. # of computers 5. # of flies on North Africa 6. AIDS 7. Sugar consumption Hey, sugar consumption? Isn't this more plausible? Maybe sugar consumption is even linked to obesity! Maybe even sugar is responsible for the # of flies on North Africa! :-D Yes, even I am blogging now!
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Paul Watson wrote: There are no flies on North Africa. Wow! A diabetes-free region! :) Yes, even I am blogging now!
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BBC news item[^] This is linked to obesity. 5% of the NHS budget. Think what else could be done with that money. I'm not being sanctimonious because I've had weight problems but making very good progess. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
Be very careful. It seems to me that another round of social engineering is underway. Maybe you didn't smoke and never did so the Gov action against smoking seemed to be a good thing. Now its fast foods and soft drinks. Maybe you never had a weight problem and no familial history of diabetes so this doesn;t bother you. Next it will be something else. Good or bad it doesn't matter but sooner or later they are gonna hit on your turf with facts and figures and stats showing why your failure to behave like a good little citizen is costing so much money that the Gov feels it is in its best cause to remove the temptation. And when we are all a nation of little robots eating the proper foods and exercising the correct amount of time and doing all those fun things that are supposed to give us as close a chance at immortality as possible and nothing happens what are they gonna do. -- Oh well nevermind. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Be very careful. It seems to me that another round of social engineering is underway. Maybe you didn't smoke and never did so the Gov action against smoking seemed to be a good thing. Now its fast foods and soft drinks. Maybe you never had a weight problem and no familial history of diabetes so this doesn;t bother you. Next it will be something else. Good or bad it doesn't matter but sooner or later they are gonna hit on your turf with facts and figures and stats showing why your failure to behave like a good little citizen is costing so much money that the Gov feels it is in its best cause to remove the temptation. And when we are all a nation of little robots eating the proper foods and exercising the correct amount of time and doing all those fun things that are supposed to give us as close a chance at immortality as possible and nothing happens what are they gonna do. -- Oh well nevermind. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Wow. :wtf: The cynicism just drips off the page. 5 for that. pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "They say there are strangers who threaten us, In our immigrants and infidels. They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves. That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves." Rush
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Be very careful. It seems to me that another round of social engineering is underway. Maybe you didn't smoke and never did so the Gov action against smoking seemed to be a good thing. Now its fast foods and soft drinks. Maybe you never had a weight problem and no familial history of diabetes so this doesn;t bother you. Next it will be something else. Good or bad it doesn't matter but sooner or later they are gonna hit on your turf with facts and figures and stats showing why your failure to behave like a good little citizen is costing so much money that the Gov feels it is in its best cause to remove the temptation. And when we are all a nation of little robots eating the proper foods and exercising the correct amount of time and doing all those fun things that are supposed to give us as close a chance at immortality as possible and nothing happens what are they gonna do. -- Oh well nevermind. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Flow of consciousness, but never mind... Soylent Green is people! Iain.
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Be very careful. It seems to me that another round of social engineering is underway. Maybe you didn't smoke and never did so the Gov action against smoking seemed to be a good thing. Now its fast foods and soft drinks. Maybe you never had a weight problem and no familial history of diabetes so this doesn;t bother you. Next it will be something else. Good or bad it doesn't matter but sooner or later they are gonna hit on your turf with facts and figures and stats showing why your failure to behave like a good little citizen is costing so much money that the Gov feels it is in its best cause to remove the temptation. And when we are all a nation of little robots eating the proper foods and exercising the correct amount of time and doing all those fun things that are supposed to give us as close a chance at immortality as possible and nothing happens what are they gonna do. -- Oh well nevermind. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Fine, let the bodies pile up Richard. I have had weight problems as I mentioned and it has been hard work to deal with particularly when on business trips with the portions resteraunts provide (4 months in a hotel in Nuremberg for example). Recently at Portsmouth the hotel had a bar/resteraunt which boasted of the enormous portions and forunately I found a snack menu which was a more than enough. It took some finding though. The tigress is here :-D
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Trollslayer wrote: This is linked to obesity. Not only this. I've seen a study (I'm searching my e-mails for a link...) showing that diabetes has a similar growth curve than (IIRC): 1. obesity 2. # of cars 3. Global papaya production 4. # of computers 5. # of flies on North Africa 6. AIDS 7. Sugar consumption Hey, sugar consumption? Isn't this more plausible? Maybe sugar consumption is even linked to obesity! Maybe even sugar is responsible for the # of flies on North Africa! :-D Yes, even I am blogging now!
Certain types of diabetes are linked to obesity and sugar intake. Now as for heart disease... The tigress is here :-D
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Fine, let the bodies pile up Richard. I have had weight problems as I mentioned and it has been hard work to deal with particularly when on business trips with the portions resteraunts provide (4 months in a hotel in Nuremberg for example). Recently at Portsmouth the hotel had a bar/resteraunt which boasted of the enormous portions and forunately I found a snack menu which was a more than enough. It took some finding though. The tigress is here :-D
You really don't get it do you. I understand the problem . I just don't think that the Gov has any business in it. Lets assume for a moment that as an overweight person there are laws passed that prohibit you from flying in a airplane without paying double fare or eating at certain resturants or getting health insurance without paying a 50% surcharge. All this Gov mandated or approved. Just their little way to help you lose that weight. Say the Gov taxes all fast foods 25% and then sues the purveyours of said foods ( burgers, pizza, fish&chips,etc.. ) and gets about 2,000,000,000.00 to help the people that were harmed by their allegious actions - monies that of course will be spent elsewhere. And of course there will be no fat people allowed at public functions as they may offend the slinky skinny ones.. Oh well if you don't get it you will get it - get it. You can be a sheep or a sheep dog. Bow Wow Richard Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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You really don't get it do you. I understand the problem . I just don't think that the Gov has any business in it. Lets assume for a moment that as an overweight person there are laws passed that prohibit you from flying in a airplane without paying double fare or eating at certain resturants or getting health insurance without paying a 50% surcharge. All this Gov mandated or approved. Just their little way to help you lose that weight. Say the Gov taxes all fast foods 25% and then sues the purveyours of said foods ( burgers, pizza, fish&chips,etc.. ) and gets about 2,000,000,000.00 to help the people that were harmed by their allegious actions - monies that of course will be spent elsewhere. And of course there will be no fat people allowed at public functions as they may offend the slinky skinny ones.. Oh well if you don't get it you will get it - get it. You can be a sheep or a sheep dog. Bow Wow Richard Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
I get it, I was wondering if you would make any mention of getting people to take responsibility fortheir own actions. So, the question - if someone chooses to make thmesleves obese which results in long term health problems should others pay ? The tigress is here :-D
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I get it, I was wondering if you would make any mention of getting people to take responsibility fortheir own actions. So, the question - if someone chooses to make thmesleves obese which results in long term health problems should others pay ? The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: So, the question - if someone chooses to make thmesleves obese which results in long term health problems should others pay ? Sure why not. Standing on ones feet all day leads to foot and leg problems so let them pay also. Young drivers ( under 25 ) account for almost 1/2 of all accidents so lets make the legal driving age 26. Older people cause a disproportinate number of accidents so lets say no one over 60 can drive. Alcohol causes a great deal of misery - out with it ( I do believe that the nuts actully tried this at one time ). Premature babies cost a lot too - off with them. People who have a familial history of heart disease have a 45% greater chance of developing heart problems during their lives - let'em pay. Long life and healty lifes are primarilly genetic - so if your parents died before 75 or has a history of liver, lung, heart, or diabetes lets sterlize them - in 60 70 years everyone left will be healthy. Yep let'em all pay. Damn but some people can never see the forest for the trees. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)