VC#2005 will have edit & continue
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Hopefully not a repost, just saw that friday some MSDN blogs reported that Visual C# 2005 will have edit and continue. Wooo! This will certainly be a big productivity enhancer IMO. Any remotely useful information on
Yeah, saw that when I got in this morning... awesome news. It's good that you can edit variables whilst in debug mode, I've made minor changes to SQL statements that way but quite often I've clicked debug and then noticed a logic flaw and had to wait for it to build only to change it and build again. So yeah, should be useful :) Looking forward to the CTP release next week and give it a test! -- Paul "Put the key of despair into the lock of apathy. Turn the knob of mediocrity slowly and open the gates of despondency - welcome to a day in the average office." - David Brent, from "The Office" MS Messenger: paul@oobaloo.co.uk Download my PGP public key
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Hopefully not a repost, just saw that friday some MSDN blogs reported that Visual C# 2005 will have edit and continue. Wooo! This will certainly be a big productivity enhancer IMO. Any remotely useful information on
Judah Himango wrote: Visual C# 2005 will have edit and continue. Woohoo. I never found it very useful in C++, and I doubt I'll find it useful with C#. Maybe 1 time out of a 100, while in the debugger, I'll say "gee, I wish I could change that line". And when I used it in C++, it had some wierd side-effects, causing me to think perfectly good code was broken. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
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Yeah, saw that when I got in this morning... awesome news. It's good that you can edit variables whilst in debug mode, I've made minor changes to SQL statements that way but quite often I've clicked debug and then noticed a logic flaw and had to wait for it to build only to change it and build again. So yeah, should be useful :) Looking forward to the CTP release next week and give it a test! -- Paul "Put the key of despair into the lock of apathy. Turn the knob of mediocrity slowly and open the gates of despondency - welcome to a day in the average office." - David Brent, from "The Office" MS Messenger: paul@oobaloo.co.uk Download my PGP public key
Paul Ingles wrote: I've made minor changes to SQL statements that way Hmmm. I never liked coding SQL statements directly in code. It seems to be the two should be kept vastly separate. Declarative programming is good for that. :) Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
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Judah Himango wrote: Visual C# 2005 will have edit and continue. Woohoo. I never found it very useful in C++, and I doubt I'll find it useful with C#. Maybe 1 time out of a 100, while in the debugger, I'll say "gee, I wish I could change that line". And when I used it in C++, it had some wierd side-effects, causing me to think perfectly good code was broken. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
Marc Clifton wrote: I never found it very useful in C++, :wtf::omg::omg: Half of my coding is done during edit and continue! When you're as lost as I am (new hire), it's all about trial and error. It's sooo much faster than "code, build, check it out, close, lather, rinse, repeat" when you simply do "code, build, check it out, make small changes, check it out, repeat". I live by E&C. I dont know if I should be proud or not though. :sigh: The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
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Marc Clifton wrote: I never found it very useful in C++, :wtf::omg::omg: Half of my coding is done during edit and continue! When you're as lost as I am (new hire), it's all about trial and error. It's sooo much faster than "code, build, check it out, close, lather, rinse, repeat" when you simply do "code, build, check it out, make small changes, check it out, repeat". I live by E&C. I dont know if I should be proud or not though. :sigh: The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
Atlantys wrote: I dont know if I should be proud or not though. LOL! The things I discover in the debugger usually end up requiring some sort of structural change to either the logic and/or the class definition itself. Things that E&C doesn't handle well. Whenever I tried it, I would always get a "you have to exit the debugger and recompile the code" message, or something like that. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
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Judah Himango wrote: Visual C# 2005 will have edit and continue. Woohoo. I never found it very useful in C++, and I doubt I'll find it useful with C#. Maybe 1 time out of a 100, while in the debugger, I'll say "gee, I wish I could change that line". And when I used it in C++, it had some wierd side-effects, causing me to think perfectly good code was broken. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
I agree - I never found it useful. Could be because it is so limited - you can't change anything in a static library, you can't make anything more than minor changes, etc... ... and usually, by the time I realize a line of code is wrong, I've already stepped past it anyway. :-O An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
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I agree - I never found it useful. Could be because it is so limited - you can't change anything in a static library, you can't make anything more than minor changes, etc... ... and usually, by the time I realize a line of code is wrong, I've already stepped past it anyway. :-O An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
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Atlantys wrote: I dont know if I should be proud or not though. LOL! The things I discover in the debugger usually end up requiring some sort of structural change to either the logic and/or the class definition itself. Things that E&C doesn't handle well. Whenever I tried it, I would always get a "you have to exit the debugger and recompile the code" message, or something like that. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
I've made so many changes that I get "image too big to fit" (or similar). But yes, obviously major structure changes require a rebuild, but so small little things when you're lost, it's *damn* useful. At work, we use Incredibuild, which is a *very* useful product, with one (major, to me) drawback: it doesnt support edit and continue. I can build using DevStudio's compiling, which takes forever, but lets me make small/medium changes very quickly, or I can use Incredibuild, which needs 1/3 to 1/2 the time DevStudio needs, but means I cant make small changes quickly (the "Updating dependencies" stage is sooooo slow). I find E&C good for bug-squashing. The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
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Judah Himango wrote: Visual C# 2005 will have edit and continue. Woohoo. I never found it very useful in C++, and I doubt I'll find it useful with C#. Maybe 1 time out of a 100, while in the debugger, I'll say "gee, I wish I could change that line". And when I used it in C++, it had some wierd side-effects, causing me to think perfectly good code was broken. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
I too have found it to be useless. If I find an error, I fix it and restart. Editing and continuing is just wrong as the program may not be in the same state as it should be the next time you run it from the beginning. -- Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.
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Judah Himango wrote: Visual C# 2005 will have edit and continue. Woohoo. I never found it very useful in C++, and I doubt I'll find it useful with C#. Maybe 1 time out of a 100, while in the debugger, I'll say "gee, I wish I could change that line". And when I used it in C++, it had some wierd side-effects, causing me to think perfectly good code was broken. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
Yep, about the same for me. I have used it a couple times when I am lazy and have tracked down through a bunch of code and do not want to go through all those steps again. For the most part though, it is not that important to me. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com - Now with "Recommendation" postings www.MyQuickPoll.com - Now with Recent Poll List www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com - Again :)
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I too have found it to be useless. If I find an error, I fix it and restart. Editing and continuing is just wrong as the program may not be in the same state as it should be the next time you run it from the beginning. -- Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.
It's a judgment call really. Sometimes it's ok; sometimes it's not. As for me, I'm all about E&C when it's appropriate. Jeremy Falcon
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Well, if it means anything, 90% of the time if something weird happens, I do a clean rebuild before debugging any further... and it frequently solves the problem.. :rolleyes: An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
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Hopefully not a repost, just saw that friday some MSDN blogs reported that Visual C# 2005 will have edit and continue. Wooo! This will certainly be a big productivity enhancer IMO. Any remotely useful information on
Oh man, can't wait for that! Now it's: 1. Modify code-behind file(s) of ASP.NET project. 2. Build. 3. Run in Debugger (F5) 4. Wait 83 seconds! (I just timed it.) 5. Repeat. The startup time is insane, and I have a fast box too: P4 2.8Ghz, 1.5GB RAM. Regards, Alvaro
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. - George W. Bush
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Oh man, can't wait for that! Now it's: 1. Modify code-behind file(s) of ASP.NET project. 2. Build. 3. Run in Debugger (F5) 4. Wait 83 seconds! (I just timed it.) 5. Repeat. The startup time is insane, and I have a fast box too: P4 2.8Ghz, 1.5GB RAM. Regards, Alvaro
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. - George W. Bush
Alvaro Mendez wrote: 4. Wait 83 seconds! (I just timed it.) Let me save you some time. First, stop IIS (iisreset /stop) Go to C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322\Temporary ASP.NET Files. Now, delete every entry under the name of your virtual directory (those pesky random-named '3af003a7' directories). If you don't feel like deleting things, just move them to another directory. They're just temporary, anyways. start IIS again. (iisreset /start) Now, it'll take only a few seconds (3~5) to start your ASP.NET solution. I have a batch file scheduled to run this at midnight. Yes, even I am blogging now!
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Hopefully not a repost, just saw that friday some MSDN blogs reported that Visual C# 2005 will have edit and continue. Wooo! This will certainly be a big productivity enhancer IMO. Any remotely useful information on
I think E&C is great. Sure, it won't help solve any application design issues, but having to rebuild the entire app because my chubby fingers typed something like "InsertVendot" instead of "InsertVendor" gets old quickly. I just don't understand the folks who claim E&C is useless. I don't require something to be useful in every situation before I put it in my tool box. Anything that saves me some time while debugging is a welcome addition. Charlie if(!curlies){ return; }
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Judah Himango wrote: Visual C# 2005 will have edit and continue. Woohoo. I never found it very useful in C++, and I doubt I'll find it useful with C#. Maybe 1 time out of a 100, while in the debugger, I'll say "gee, I wish I could change that line". And when I used it in C++, it had some wierd side-effects, causing me to think perfectly good code was broken. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
LOL. I thought I was the only one that thought that way! I never use it in C++ either. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: 4. Wait 83 seconds! (I just timed it.) Let me save you some time. First, stop IIS (iisreset /stop) Go to C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322\Temporary ASP.NET Files. Now, delete every entry under the name of your virtual directory (those pesky random-named '3af003a7' directories). If you don't feel like deleting things, just move them to another directory. They're just temporary, anyways. start IIS again. (iisreset /start) Now, it'll take only a few seconds (3~5) to start your ASP.NET solution. I have a batch file scheduled to run this at midnight. Yes, even I am blogging now!
Wow, thanks for the great tip! I'll try it tomorrow. Can you point me to a link that explains this behavior (temporary files and why they affect startup time)? Thanks again, Alvaro
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. - George W. Bush
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Judah Himango wrote: Visual C# 2005 will have edit and continue. Woohoo. I never found it very useful in C++, and I doubt I'll find it useful with C#. Maybe 1 time out of a 100, while in the debugger, I'll say "gee, I wish I could change that line". And when I used it in C++, it had some wierd side-effects, causing me to think perfectly good code was broken. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
It worked a lot better in VB - not that I'm trying to compare C# and VB ;P Stuart Dootson 'Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p'
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Wow, thanks for the great tip! I'll try it tomorrow. Can you point me to a link that explains this behavior (temporary files and why they affect startup time)? Thanks again, Alvaro
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. - George W. Bush
Alvaro Mendez wrote: Can you point me to a link that explains this behavior (temporary files and why they affect startup time)? Sorry, I can't. Someone at the Lounge explained me this a while ago and didn't provide it also. I think it's more of a VS.NET bug. I have a friend using VS.NET 2005 and it doesn't seem to have this bug. Please, let me know if it worked. Yes, even I am blogging now!
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It worked a lot better in VB - not that I'm trying to compare C# and VB ;P Stuart Dootson 'Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p'
Stuart Dootson wrote: It worked a lot better in VB Yes, but I don't work better in VB. :-D Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing