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    You're probably not getting enough rest, or not eating enough/properly. Any serious bodybuilder needs plenty of protein and carbs (good carbs, not candy bars!). Since you're the skinny type, you probably don't need to worry about getting fat, so eat plenty of good carbs and protein. In order to gain mass, I recommend a Zone type diet (40% carbs, 30% proteins, 30% good fat). Don't forget the shake after each training. You can probably take those weight gainer shakes (very high carbs) since you're the skinny type once again. Now, stop whining and go pump some iron! ;P

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    Yeah I don't really think it's the diet or the sleep. I sleep a good 8-10 hours a day I eat a good 3000 - 3500 calories a day. 250 grams of protien and 450+ grams of carbs with a little bit of fat. I am no longer skinny which is why I started having my problem. I get so focused on my body and working out that I feel that I lose focus on the computer. BTW for anyone that posted their stats, here's mine: 5'8" 145 lbs ~8% body fat. 270lb bench 140lb curl Also for anyone serious about working out I would not recommend eating 30% fat unless you want to get fat, although I'm not sure what you are referring to when you mention the fat percentage. I assume you mean the percentage of fat per calories each day. - Drew

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      It's intelligence. Sorry, I just had to. -- Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.

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      NO....!!! See it's all going fuzzy now... Where am I, what am I doing here.. ? - Drew

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        Yeah I don't really think it's the diet or the sleep. I sleep a good 8-10 hours a day I eat a good 3000 - 3500 calories a day. 250 grams of protien and 450+ grams of carbs with a little bit of fat. I am no longer skinny which is why I started having my problem. I get so focused on my body and working out that I feel that I lose focus on the computer. BTW for anyone that posted their stats, here's mine: 5'8" 145 lbs ~8% body fat. 270lb bench 140lb curl Also for anyone serious about working out I would not recommend eating 30% fat unless you want to get fat, although I'm not sure what you are referring to when you mention the fat percentage. I assume you mean the percentage of fat per calories each day. - Drew

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        You sure do pump a lot of weight for your weight and height! btw, fat doesn't make someone fat, carb does. Of course, fat needs to be consumed with moderation since it's 9 calories per gram! And yes, 30% is based on the calorie count.

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          I am a bit antiskinny and I typically focus better when I did some workout. However, this seems to be because I sleep more effectively. (working out at the Gym, however, I consider a poor excuse for masochists in denial)


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          I would substitute masochist with narcissist.. I wouldn't say I enjoy punishment. - Drew

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            You sure do pump a lot of weight for your weight and height! btw, fat doesn't make someone fat, carb does. Of course, fat needs to be consumed with moderation since it's 9 calories per gram! And yes, 30% is based on the calorie count.

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            You sure do pump a lot of weight for your weight and height! btw, fat doesn't make someone fat, carb does Yes carbs can make you fat however I still don't recommend eating that much fat. ;) You sure do pump a lot of weight for your weight and height! Thanks! I wish I could say it's because I am so dedicated but I have good genetics and almost no body fat so the 145 lbs of weight is almost all muscle. I'm not really boasting because it is hard for me to gain weight due to Chrone's disease and I hate it. This also makes it hard for me to put on fat because my intestines that process fat is missing (Yes I know putting on fat and processing fat are seperate, however, it certainly helps when your body can't process it). Hope that wasn't TMI for some. ;) And yes, 30% is based on the calorie count. Yikes, that would be 111 grams of fat for me. :) So in my case I don't think percentage is the best model to use for determing how much fat to include in a diet. - Drew

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            • P peterchen

              I am a bit antiskinny and I typically focus better when I did some workout. However, this seems to be because I sleep more effectively. (working out at the Gym, however, I consider a poor excuse for masochists in denial)


              we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr.
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              Jeremy Falcon
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              Or maybe some like to actually have energy and feel good. Yeah I know, what a crazy concept. Jeremy Falcon

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                It's intelligence. Sorry, I just had to. -- Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.

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                That's one of those words that you just can't make a mistake with or it really hurts whatever argument you're proposing. Sort of like when you see someone correct another person's spelling and in doing so they inevitably misspell the word "misspelling" :) Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework

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                  That's one of those words that you just can't make a mistake with or it really hurts whatever argument you're proposing. Sort of like when you see someone correct another person's spelling and in doing so they inevitably misspell the word "misspelling" :) Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework

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                  Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                  I know what you mean. I triple checked the spelling before I hit submit. :-D "Misspell" is a double edged sword. I've drawn wisdom from earlier mistakes. :-O -- Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.

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                    Yeah I don't really think it's the diet or the sleep. I sleep a good 8-10 hours a day I eat a good 3000 - 3500 calories a day. 250 grams of protien and 450+ grams of carbs with a little bit of fat. I am no longer skinny which is why I started having my problem. I get so focused on my body and working out that I feel that I lose focus on the computer. BTW for anyone that posted their stats, here's mine: 5'8" 145 lbs ~8% body fat. 270lb bench 140lb curl Also for anyone serious about working out I would not recommend eating 30% fat unless you want to get fat, although I'm not sure what you are referring to when you mention the fat percentage. I assume you mean the percentage of fat per calories each day. - Drew

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                    Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                    You weigh 145 lbs and you press 270lbs in the bench!? Uh, you should be competing in the olympics or something. -- Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.

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                      You weigh 145 lbs and you press 270lbs in the bench!? Uh, you should be competing in the olympics or something. -- Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.

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                      Well to people that train for such things 270 isn't that much. Only 2 45's and a 25 on each side. Now it will probably be a while before I can exceed this bench and pushing that much does involve a lot of my back. :) Ever see anyone push their pelvas in the air when doing huge weight on the bench? :) - Drew

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                        Well to people that train for such things 270 isn't that much. Only 2 45's and a 25 on each side. Now it will probably be a while before I can exceed this bench and pushing that much does involve a lot of my back. :) Ever see anyone push their pelvas in the air when doing huge weight on the bench? :) - Drew

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                        Doah, 270 is 2 45's 2 20's and a 2 1/2 on each side. - Drew

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                          That's one of those words that you just can't make a mistake with or it really hurts whatever argument you're proposing. Sort of like when you see someone correct another person's spelling and in doing so they inevitably misspell the word "misspelling" :) Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework

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                          Well in my case it actually proves my point. Heh. :) - Drew

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                            Well to people that train for such things 270 isn't that much. Only 2 45's and a 25 on each side. Now it will probably be a while before I can exceed this bench and pushing that much does involve a lot of my back. :) Ever see anyone push their pelvas in the air when doing huge weight on the bench? :) - Drew

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                            Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                            afinnell wrote: Ever see anyone push their pelvas in the air when doing huge weight on the bench? Hey! Ass and back is supposed to rest against the bench. Anything else is cheating! ;) I weigh 175 lbs and I used to do 220 lbs. I'm glad if I can push 200 now. :sigh: -- Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.

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                              I have an interesting conundrum. I have always been very skinny and high intellegent, especially in regards to computers and software architecture. A long time ago I was on this fitness kick and began bulkinh up and gaining a substantial amount of lean body mass. While doing this I seemed less and less interested in computers and wasn't able to focus on development. That time has long sense passed and I find myself in the same position again. I have joined the gym and have started working out to gain weight again ( I really hate people telling me I need to eat more because I'm too skinny, that's another topic about my pysche.) Now that I am gaining weight and really into working out I find myself slowly losing the ability to concentrate on software developement. I used to be able to develop a neural network in my sleep and knew how a finite automata machine worked. I wonder if there are any body builders out there that are still able to concentrate on being a phenomenal software developer. I feel as though the more I workout and the bigger I get the stupider I become. I suppose this could have to do with what my brain is focusing on all the time, but I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the matter. Like I said, very interesting stuff. :) - Drew

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                              Isn't there something about exercise creating endorphins? Endorphins are the body's natural feel good drug - if you have been exercising for awhile you get use to the endorphin highs and when you stop you start missing the feel-good feelings. :sigh: Steve

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                                afinnell wrote: Ever see anyone push their pelvas in the air when doing huge weight on the bench? Hey! Ass and back is supposed to rest against the bench. Anything else is cheating! ;) I weigh 175 lbs and I used to do 220 lbs. I'm glad if I can push 200 now. :sigh: -- Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.

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                                Ha ha ha. Hey the weight went down then back up.. nuff said. ;) Well to clarify a little more I used to weight more (170) when I was in the Workout phase before. I could push alot more so my muscle memory came back very quickly. If you used to be able to do 220 you ought to be able to get back there with proper training fairly quickly because muscles have a memory of 'where they were at' that you can reconsitute with training. Funny how most of the posts stop around 5-6pm.. We know who's posting on Company time!!! You know who you are. Here's when I was 160-170ish http://www.activesol.net/DaddyAndKayla.jpg[^] I do not look like that now. :) - Drew

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                                  Isn't there something about exercise creating endorphins? Endorphins are the body's natural feel good drug - if you have been exercising for awhile you get use to the endorphin highs and when you stop you start missing the feel-good feelings. :sigh: Steve

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                                  There's also the horrible pyschological effect that happens when you watch your body go to crap when you stop working out also. :) - Drew

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                                    I am a bit antiskinny and I typically focus better when I did some workout. However, this seems to be because I sleep more effectively. (working out at the Gym, however, I consider a poor excuse for masochists in denial)


                                    we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr.
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                                    peterchen wrote: I am a bit antiskinny Ooohhh...doublespeak! doublespeak! I found a doublespeak! :-D:-D:-D

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                                      I have an interesting conundrum. I have always been very skinny and high intellegent, especially in regards to computers and software architecture. A long time ago I was on this fitness kick and began bulkinh up and gaining a substantial amount of lean body mass. While doing this I seemed less and less interested in computers and wasn't able to focus on development. That time has long sense passed and I find myself in the same position again. I have joined the gym and have started working out to gain weight again ( I really hate people telling me I need to eat more because I'm too skinny, that's another topic about my pysche.) Now that I am gaining weight and really into working out I find myself slowly losing the ability to concentrate on software developement. I used to be able to develop a neural network in my sleep and knew how a finite automata machine worked. I wonder if there are any body builders out there that are still able to concentrate on being a phenomenal software developer. I feel as though the more I workout and the bigger I get the stupider I become. I suppose this could have to do with what my brain is focusing on all the time, but I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the matter. Like I said, very interesting stuff. :) - Drew

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                                      I find that jogging to the fridge for my 3rd wine cooler leaves me feeling a bit that way too. Do you think I should limit my jogging?

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                                        I have an interesting conundrum. I have always been very skinny and high intellegent, especially in regards to computers and software architecture. A long time ago I was on this fitness kick and began bulkinh up and gaining a substantial amount of lean body mass. While doing this I seemed less and less interested in computers and wasn't able to focus on development. That time has long sense passed and I find myself in the same position again. I have joined the gym and have started working out to gain weight again ( I really hate people telling me I need to eat more because I'm too skinny, that's another topic about my pysche.) Now that I am gaining weight and really into working out I find myself slowly losing the ability to concentrate on software developement. I used to be able to develop a neural network in my sleep and knew how a finite automata machine worked. I wonder if there are any body builders out there that are still able to concentrate on being a phenomenal software developer. I feel as though the more I workout and the bigger I get the stupider I become. I suppose this could have to do with what my brain is focusing on all the time, but I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the matter. Like I said, very interesting stuff. :) - Drew

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                                        Todd Smith
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                                        The same thing happens to me when I limit my calorie intake along with working out. I also sometimes experience a mild depression which lasts for a week or two after peaking for a big competition (bicycle racing). Once you learn the patterns you can figure out how to deal with them and work around them. And you'll appreciate the times when you have a really good jam session on the computer. 200 lines of new code and no compile errors? woohoo! Todd Smith

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                                          I find that jogging to the fridge for my 3rd wine cooler leaves me feeling a bit that way too. Do you think I should limit my jogging?

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                                          No way! But if you really wanted to you could grab two coolers at the same time to cut back on your jogging. - Drew

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