Microsoft apps written in VB or .NET
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Does anyone happen to know of any Microsoft products written in .Net or in VB6? A couple of my co-workers are always saying how C++ is a dead language and is now obsolete. I KNOW that's not true. Anyway, most of the Microsoft products I've ever heard of being written in any language have always been using MFC or C/C++, not that I know any specific ones. But doesn't it say something if a company that makes a language doesn't write any apps in the language themselves? I know in VC6 the 'Tip of the Day' used to pop up every once in a while that said 'We use it before you do. Visual C++ was made using Visual C++!' can this be said about VB My articles www.stillwaterexpress.com BlackDice
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Does anyone happen to know of any Microsoft products written in .Net or in VB6? A couple of my co-workers are always saying how C++ is a dead language and is now obsolete. I KNOW that's not true. Anyway, most of the Microsoft products I've ever heard of being written in any language have always been using MFC or C/C++, not that I know any specific ones. But doesn't it say something if a company that makes a language doesn't write any apps in the language themselves? I know in VC6 the 'Tip of the Day' used to pop up every once in a while that said 'We use it before you do. Visual C++ was made using Visual C++!' can this be said about VB My articles www.stillwaterexpress.com BlackDice
Well Office and Windows are still C/C++ with no MFC. Although there is Microsoft Outlook Business Contact Manager which I think may have used C# and .NET. From what I've seen on Channel 9[^], some teams at MS are using C# internally but I've never heard of Microsoft using VB commercially beyond VBA in Office and other apps. A lot of the web-products use ASP.NET and C# at the back end, such as the new MSN Spaces. Michael CP Blog [^]
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Well Office and Windows are still C/C++ with no MFC. Although there is Microsoft Outlook Business Contact Manager which I think may have used C# and .NET. From what I've seen on Channel 9[^], some teams at MS are using C# internally but I've never heard of Microsoft using VB commercially beyond VBA in Office and other apps. A lot of the web-products use ASP.NET and C# at the back end, such as the new MSN Spaces. Michael CP Blog [^]
MS Money was in VB. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
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MS Money was in VB. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
That explains it all now. :) I could never understand why anyone would ever use that product. Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk [Doug Goulden] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
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MS Money was in VB. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
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Does anyone happen to know of any Microsoft products written in .Net or in VB6? A couple of my co-workers are always saying how C++ is a dead language and is now obsolete. I KNOW that's not true. Anyway, most of the Microsoft products I've ever heard of being written in any language have always been using MFC or C/C++, not that I know any specific ones. But doesn't it say something if a company that makes a language doesn't write any apps in the language themselves? I know in VC6 the 'Tip of the Day' used to pop up every once in a while that said 'We use it before you do. Visual C++ was made using Visual C++!' can this be said about VB My articles www.stillwaterexpress.com BlackDice
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Daniel Turini wrote: _http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archive/2004/11/02/251254.aspx\[^\]_ Nice link. Some good "discussion" there. :-D Michael CP Blog [^]
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MS Money was in VB. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
Actually, if it was, it does not appear to be any more. They pull in MSVCRT in their dlls and the main loader app along with MFC42. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com - RSS Enabled www.JokesTricksAndStuff.com www.MyQuickPoll.com Me Blogs: wdevs - MSN Spaces (new)
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MS Money was in VB. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
Jim Crafton wrote: MS Money was in VB. That's quite a trick, considering that Money 2000 (at least) is dependent on Mfc42.dll... :laugh: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Jim Crafton wrote: MS Money was in VB. That's quite a trick, considering that Money 2000 (at least) is dependent on Mfc42.dll... :laugh: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: That's quite a trick, considering that Money 2000 (at least) is dependent on Mfc42.dll... and the latest 2005 gives me a .NET service error every time I try to auto-balance my checkbook... X| _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Does anyone happen to know of any Microsoft products written in .Net or in VB6? A couple of my co-workers are always saying how C++ is a dead language and is now obsolete. I KNOW that's not true. Anyway, most of the Microsoft products I've ever heard of being written in any language have always been using MFC or C/C++, not that I know any specific ones. But doesn't it say something if a company that makes a language doesn't write any apps in the language themselves? I know in VC6 the 'Tip of the Day' used to pop up every once in a while that said 'We use it before you do. Visual C++ was made using Visual C++!' can this be said about VB My articles www.stillwaterexpress.com BlackDice
BizTalk 2004 is written entirely in C#. :)
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
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Jim Crafton wrote: MS Money was in VB. That's quite a trick, considering that Money 2000 (at least) is dependent on Mfc42.dll... :laugh: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Quite possibly. Given that it's a fanancial product, I wouldn't be at all surprised. :~ Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: That's quite a trick, considering that Money 2000 (at least) is dependent on Mfc42.dll... and the latest 2005 gives me a .NET service error every time I try to auto-balance my checkbook... X| _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
X| X| X| X| X| I'm sticking with Money 2000 for personal finance. As an aside though, when looking into accounting packages for my company I emailed MS and asked them whether they still produced a Small Business Edition in the UK. Apparently they don't - they've walked away from that market, leaving it to Sage and Intuit. Interesting... Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Does anyone happen to know of any Microsoft products written in .Net or in VB6? A couple of my co-workers are always saying how C++ is a dead language and is now obsolete. I KNOW that's not true. Anyway, most of the Microsoft products I've ever heard of being written in any language have always been using MFC or C/C++, not that I know any specific ones. But doesn't it say something if a company that makes a language doesn't write any apps in the language themselves? I know in VC6 the 'Tip of the Day' used to pop up every once in a while that said 'We use it before you do. Visual C++ was made using Visual C++!' can this be said about VB My articles www.stillwaterexpress.com BlackDice
Daniel has a good link. Read the comments. A contributor named James Hancock happens to sum up my major complaints with .NET. In short, even with .NET 2.0, an experienced developer cannot duplicate the look and feel and basic functionality of Microsoft Outlook 2003 without third party ad-ons. Of course, it's not like MS has a good track record in this regard; MFC had the same problem. More recently, Visual Studio 2005 Beta 1 shipped with Windows 3.x icons and toolbar bitmaps. Even if your company can afford a graphic artist creating alpha bitmaps, it's such a waste of time and money. Since MS "wants" users to have a common experience, you'd think they'd be a bit more helpful with things like this. I'm sure if it were up to the developers it would be, but the marketing/project managers are... [a string of obscenities should follow.] Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Quite possibly. Given that it's a fanancial product, I wouldn't be at all surprised. :~ Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Ah, there's nothing wrong with financial products written in VB!!! I used to work on two of the UK's best local government apps (web payments and money tracking), and both used VB extensively.
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Ah, there's nothing wrong with financial products written in VB!!! I used to work on two of the UK's best local government apps (web payments and money tracking), and both used VB extensively.
I'm sure they're great products, but I just could never get used to going back to such an archaic syntax! :laugh: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Daniel has a good link. Read the comments. A contributor named James Hancock happens to sum up my major complaints with .NET. In short, even with .NET 2.0, an experienced developer cannot duplicate the look and feel and basic functionality of Microsoft Outlook 2003 without third party ad-ons. Of course, it's not like MS has a good track record in this regard; MFC had the same problem. More recently, Visual Studio 2005 Beta 1 shipped with Windows 3.x icons and toolbar bitmaps. Even if your company can afford a graphic artist creating alpha bitmaps, it's such a waste of time and money. Since MS "wants" users to have a common experience, you'd think they'd be a bit more helpful with things like this. I'm sure if it were up to the developers it would be, but the marketing/project managers are... [a string of obscenities should follow.] Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote: In short, even with .NET 2.0, an experienced developer cannot duplicate the look and feel and basic functionality of Microsoft Outlook 2003 without third party ad-ons. Ahhh a subject near and dear to my heart. We are developing a business app with the look and feel of outlook 2003 in c# and of course we are using the Infragistics UI suite and to be honest it rocks in every way! I still can't figure out why this is such a downside to people. To be honest I think Infragistics is doing a hell of a good job with their UI code and I don't see it being even close to as good and full featured than if Microsoft was writing it. The cost savings of developing in .net are so incredibly huge that it probably paid for the Infragistics suite in about the first week of development on this one new project were working on. From a purely cost benefit analysis point of view when developing a typical business app .net + 3rd party components beats mfc / c++ hands down ever time.
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Well Office and Windows are still C/C++ with no MFC. Although there is Microsoft Outlook Business Contact Manager which I think may have used C# and .NET. From what I've seen on Channel 9[^], some teams at MS are using C# internally but I've never heard of Microsoft using VB commercially beyond VBA in Office and other apps. A lot of the web-products use ASP.NET and C# at the back end, such as the new MSN Spaces. Michael CP Blog [^]
I guess most of the Longhorn apps will be written in .NET (stuff like Longhorn Notepad, Wordpad, Calculator etc) Nish :-)
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Joe Woodbury wrote: In short, even with .NET 2.0, an experienced developer cannot duplicate the look and feel and basic functionality of Microsoft Outlook 2003 without third party ad-ons. Ahhh a subject near and dear to my heart. We are developing a business app with the look and feel of outlook 2003 in c# and of course we are using the Infragistics UI suite and to be honest it rocks in every way! I still can't figure out why this is such a downside to people. To be honest I think Infragistics is doing a hell of a good job with their UI code and I don't see it being even close to as good and full featured than if Microsoft was writing it. The cost savings of developing in .net are so incredibly huge that it probably paid for the Infragistics suite in about the first week of development on this one new project were working on. From a purely cost benefit analysis point of view when developing a typical business app .net + 3rd party components beats mfc / c++ hands down ever time.
It annoys me because it's absurd and innexcusable. Why should I have to use ComponentOne for things .NET should provide? Fortunately, I work a company that can afford such a suite, but when I owned my own company, I could barely afford Visual Studio, let alone anything more. (Of course, let's not be naive; Microsoft does this to protect Office.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke