Managed C++ or C#
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Paul Watson wrote: I am not referring to the LAMP crowd What's LAMP, Paul?
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Nishant S wrote: What's LAMP, Paul? L inux A pache M ySql P erl/PHP Yes, even I am blogging now!
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Yes, C# is easier and allows you to be more productive when developing in a purely managed environment. Please explain how Managed C++ is more powerful when developing in a purely managed environment :confused:. I don't believe this to be true.
raymonxo wrote: Please explain how Managed C++ is more powerful when developing in a purely managed environment . I don't believe this to be true. See :- C++: The Most Powerful Language for .NET Framework Programming[^]
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I forgot to mention, I recommend using C# if you are developing new applications for .NET. C# has a much cleaner syntax than C++; this will be especially true with .NET 2.0 features such as generics. I used to develop in C++ and now that I've been using C# for more than a year I can't imagine going back. C# is so clean and intuitive.
raymonxo wrote: C# has a much cleaner syntax than C++; this will be especially true with .NET 2.0 features such as generics. C++/CLI not only supports generics but also supports templates with managed and unmanaged types giving programmers more options. Nish
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Marc Clifton wrote: The Managed C++ syntax is awful Shouldn't that be "was awful", Marc? The new C++/CLI syntax is far superior to the old syntax and is at par with C# as a first class CLI language. Marc Clifton wrote: I haven't written a single serious app yet that doesn't require some P/Invoke somewhere because .NET fails to provide some necessary functionality. Same here :-)
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Nishant S wrote: Shouldn't that be "was awful", Marc? No: it is awful, until MS releases the new C++. While we can play and test with the beta version of the new VS, it's at least irresponsible developing a production software with a beta product which the maker (MS) admits to have tons of bugs and reduced performance due to presence of debugging code. Yes, even I am blogging now!
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Nishant S wrote: Shouldn't that be "was awful", Marc? No: it is awful, until MS releases the new C++. While we can play and test with the beta version of the new VS, it's at least irresponsible developing a production software with a beta product which the maker (MS) admits to have tons of bugs and reduced performance due to presence of debugging code. Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: While we can play and test with the beta version of the new VS, it's at least irresponsible developing a production software with a beta product which the maker (MS) admits to have tons of bugs and reduced performance due to presence of debugging code. Point conceded. Nish
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What's your opinion ? Most of my development has been in C++ using MFC for the last couple of years. I'd like to take advantage of the .net framework, but I'm hesitant of learning a new language just when I'm getting comfortable with C++.
The real problem with Managed C++ is that they are rewriting it from scratch, and there is no point in learning it now (I did, and now I am pissed off, but who cares?). As for the "horrible syntax", I've heard this complaint mostly from people who have never really used MC++ (in real projects). Yes it is ugly, but C-like languages have ugly syntax in general; if you are very concerned about syntax, learn Delphi or Python. As for C#, personally I don't like it at all, but I use it whenever I am told to use it and whenever it makes sense to use it (ASP.NET, for instance). To sum up: you have three real choices: 1) Learn C# now. 2) Wait for VS 2005 and then learn Managed C++ (or C++/CLI how they call it now). 3) Learn C# now and Managed C++ when VS 2005 is released. My vote goes for 3)
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raymonxo wrote: C# has a much cleaner syntax than C++; this will be especially true with .NET 2.0 features such as generics. C++/CLI not only supports generics but also supports templates with managed and unmanaged types giving programmers more options. Nish
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Nishant S wrote: C++/CLI not only supports generics but also supports templates with managed and unmanaged types giving programmers more options. The new C# version also supports generics... "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Marc Clifton wrote: The Managed C++ syntax is awful Shouldn't that be "was awful", Marc? The new C++/CLI syntax is far superior to the old syntax and is at par with C# as a first class CLI language. Marc Clifton wrote: I haven't written a single serious app yet that doesn't require some P/Invoke somewhere because .NET fails to provide some necessary functionality. Same here :-)
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Nishant S wrote: Shouldn't that be "was awful", Marc? I was going to reply, but Daniel said it all. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
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Nishant S wrote: C++/CLI not only supports generics but also supports templates with managed and unmanaged types giving programmers more options. The new C# version also supports generics... "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
jan larsen wrote: The new C# version also supports generics... Yes it does, Jan, but then I never said it didn't, did I? :-) My post was a reply to a comment that said C# supported generics in 2.0.
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What's your opinion ? Most of my development has been in C++ using MFC for the last couple of years. I'd like to take advantage of the .net framework, but I'm hesitant of learning a new language just when I'm getting comfortable with C++.
I prefer C# as the managed C++ code with its macros looks really ugly ... And C# was made for the .net framework ... Greets Roland
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What's your opinion ? Most of my development has been in C++ using MFC for the last couple of years. I'd like to take advantage of the .net framework, but I'm hesitant of learning a new language just when I'm getting comfortable with C++.
Personally i would stick with C++. Its like this, if your at home with C++, then i would invest take a look at the new C++/CLI. The boys at Microsoft seem to be doing some good work over there and have cleaning up the synatax from the old MC++. Plus you get to keep the toolset youve built up using the very powerful standard template library via STL.NET. Then theres deterministic destruction c++ way!! yes you get to write destructors and get the ability to put Managed types on the stack! how cool is that! Basically your getting everything you can do in C# plus loads more goodies! And coupled with the new style syntax you'd be silly not to check it out. I think you can download a beta of the C++/CLI Express compiler too from the msdn website. Its deffo gets my thumbs up, and i can't wait! :) ade me; while(myKitchen.beerInFridge()) { me.watchTV(); me.consumeBeer(myKitchen.getBeerCan()); }
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raymonxo wrote: C# has a much cleaner syntax than C++; this will be especially true with .NET 2.0 features such as generics. C++/CLI not only supports generics but also supports templates with managed and unmanaged types giving programmers more options. Nish
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this is so cool.. deffo is the best of both worlds, as there are differences between templates and generics. for example generics dont allow non-type parameters and doesnt have the ability for user-defined specialization! But having the ability to choose between the two in C++ is the jackpot! Bring home the goodness!!! ade me; while(myKitchen.beerInFridge()) { me.watchTV(); me.consumeBeer(myKitchen.getBeerCan()); }
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wb wrote: I think C# is easy to learn, the syntax is much like C++ (but also as VB ) and you have the foreach loop! C++/CLI has the
for eachkeyword too (it's spaced in C++ though)
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dont forget if you stick with C++ you additionally get to keep the for_each algorithm too, along with all the other powerful C++ STL algorithms! ade me; while(myKitchen.beerInFridge()) { me.watchTV(); me.consumeBeer(myKitchen.getBeerCan()); }
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I think C# is easy to learn, the syntax is much like C++ (but also as VB :wtf: ) and you have the foreach loop! :)
any language is easy to learn (well... there're those small prints...) it's the framework you use that takes time to learn and master. For instance, Java may take you a day to learn if you have background in C++. J2EE may take you a month to get productive. .NET, however, is the most intuitive framework I've seen thus far - it's really a productivity tool - ie. tools that help developers to get most done in shortest time. Norman Fung
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jan larsen wrote: The new C# version also supports generics... Yes it does, Jan, but then I never said it didn't, did I? :-) My post was a reply to a comment that said C# supported generics in 2.0.
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:doh::-O , missed that, I probably shouldn't attend the Lounge when I'm busy at the job :rolleyes: "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus