Firefox ad hits NY Times
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Kant wrote: Firefox ad hits NY Times[^] but is this a good thing or a bad thing for Firefox? Is the app ready for Joe User yet. Personally I don't think so. It still needs some work, especially when it comes to configuration and finding the right plugins. It also needs to enable the app caching as default otherwise people will still think IE is faster to start. Of course if this ad get Microsoft off their butts and releases IE 7 then maybe it is a good thing. Michael CP Blog [^]
I use Firefox for the plug-ins, but to my wife it's just a browser that works a little bit better then IE for most sites, and gets rid of popups. I think they are right on target for competing with IE. They don't compare to Avant and other browsers on features without the plug-ins, but they are competing against bare bones IE.
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I was going to ask if anyone had their name in the FireFox ad? I did not contribute so my name is not in the ad. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project
Yup, I'm there. :-D I actually went to the trouble of downloading the pdf, zooming in about 400%, and grabbing a snapshot of a zoomed in portion with my name around the middle (which I highlighted in Paint). Then I realized I had no way to show it. LOL :laugh:
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Kant wrote: Firefox ad hits NY Times[^] but is this a good thing or a bad thing for Firefox? Is the app ready for Joe User yet. Personally I don't think so. It still needs some work, especially when it comes to configuration and finding the right plugins. It also needs to enable the app caching as default otherwise people will still think IE is faster to start. Of course if this ad get Microsoft off their butts and releases IE 7 then maybe it is a good thing. Michael CP Blog [^]
Michael P Butler wrote: Of course if this ad get Microsoft off their butts and releases IE 7 then maybe it is a good thing Well thats one good thing I guess, but I honestly don't see what's wrong with IE, I have xp sp2 and it blocks more popups than Firefox and consistently works just fine. Other than for bashing Bill I don't see what the point is. It's just a lot of sound and fury signifying exactly nothing.
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What is it they expect to gain from the ad? Firefox is free after all... :confused: --Mike-- LINKS~! Ericahist | 1ClickPicGrabber | CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ | You Are Dumb
Marketing. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project
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Michael P Butler wrote: Of course if this ad get Microsoft off their butts and releases IE 7 then maybe it is a good thing Well thats one good thing I guess, but I honestly don't see what's wrong with IE, I have xp sp2 and it blocks more popups than Firefox and consistently works just fine. Other than for bashing Bill I don't see what the point is. It's just a lot of sound and fury signifying exactly nothing.
You've got a real thing about FireFox eh. How long did you use it for as your main browser? regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project
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You've got a real thing about FireFox eh. How long did you use it for as your main browser? regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project
I think the problem is FireFox doesn't have a killer feature which would provoke the majority of real users to switch. Tabbed browsing is the only thing I hear about consistently as a feature a user would recognise, and my response is "meh". I don't care about it, and although I'm happy to accept that other people do, there'll be plenty who agree with me too. The other big FireFox advantage appears to be how well it handles standards, but that's a developer's concern, not a user's. Hoping FireFox will beat IE on those grounds is a bit like all those years I spent as a desktop developer hoping that there would be a popular rush from Win9x to the more expensive WinNT/2k so that it would be easier for me to develop Unicode applications for our international clients. Dream on! Maybe I'm missing something? Gavin Greig "Haw, you're no deid," girned Charon. "Get aff ma boat or ah'll report ye." Matthew Fitt - The Hoose O Haivers: The Twelve Trauchles O Heracles.
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I think the problem is FireFox doesn't have a killer feature which would provoke the majority of real users to switch. Tabbed browsing is the only thing I hear about consistently as a feature a user would recognise, and my response is "meh". I don't care about it, and although I'm happy to accept that other people do, there'll be plenty who agree with me too. The other big FireFox advantage appears to be how well it handles standards, but that's a developer's concern, not a user's. Hoping FireFox will beat IE on those grounds is a bit like all those years I spent as a desktop developer hoping that there would be a popular rush from Win9x to the more expensive WinNT/2k so that it would be easier for me to develop Unicode applications for our international clients. Dream on! Maybe I'm missing something? Gavin Greig "Haw, you're no deid," girned Charon. "Get aff ma boat or ah'll report ye." Matthew Fitt - The Hoose O Haivers: The Twelve Trauchles O Heracles.
No other browser have killer features to woo users so why are we picking on FireFox? And FireFox is gaining, 10million downloads in the first month and MS rejuvenating their disbanded IE team to, unofficially of course, counter the threat. It's a good browser. It's free. It's more secure out of the box than Internet Explorer (even with SP2). It's open, extensible and does no evil. Laugh at the last statement if you will but to many people that does matter. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project
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No other browser have killer features to woo users so why are we picking on FireFox? And FireFox is gaining, 10million downloads in the first month and MS rejuvenating their disbanded IE team to, unofficially of course, counter the threat. It's a good browser. It's free. It's more secure out of the box than Internet Explorer (even with SP2). It's open, extensible and does no evil. Laugh at the last statement if you will but to many people that does matter. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project
Paul Watson wrote: No other browser have killer features to woo users so why are we picking on FireFox? Because it's topical. I don't have anything against FireFox, and would apply the same arguments to any other browser hoping to make a big splash. I just don't find it especially exciting, interesting or reassuring - and it needs at least one of those, in the average user's mind, to be a big success. It's already a small success, no argument there. It might still make it to big success on the "reassuring" front, for the reasons you give, but my personal opinion is that it needs something more than it's already got in order to do that. Time will tell. Gavin Greig "Haw, you're no deid," girned Charon. "Get aff ma boat or ah'll report ye." Matthew Fitt - The Hoose O Haivers: The Twelve Trauchles O Heracles.
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No other browser have killer features to woo users so why are we picking on FireFox? And FireFox is gaining, 10million downloads in the first month and MS rejuvenating their disbanded IE team to, unofficially of course, counter the threat. It's a good browser. It's free. It's more secure out of the box than Internet Explorer (even with SP2). It's open, extensible and does no evil. Laugh at the last statement if you will but to many people that does matter. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project
I've just re-read my other message and it reads like I'm saying FireFox's security's no good. Sorry for expressing it so badly - that's not what I meant, I just meant that it's not yet a big selling point to Joe Punter. Gavin Greig "Haw, you're no deid," girned Charon. "Get aff ma boat or ah'll report ye." Matthew Fitt - The Hoose O Haivers: The Twelve Trauchles O Heracles.
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No other browser have killer features to woo users so why are we picking on FireFox? And FireFox is gaining, 10million downloads in the first month and MS rejuvenating their disbanded IE team to, unofficially of course, counter the threat. It's a good browser. It's free. It's more secure out of the box than Internet Explorer (even with SP2). It's open, extensible and does no evil. Laugh at the last statement if you will but to many people that does matter. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project
Paul Watson wrote: 10million downloads in the first month Hah! I can write you a script to do 20 million downloads for any software you like :-) -- Affordable Windows-based CMS: www.zeta-producer.com
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Credibility. cheers, Chris Maunder
Looks to me like Firefox has more credibility than IE does... Eleven million downloads since 1.0 was released, and how many of those were installed on more than one system? I only downloaded it once, but installed it on five systems. I suspect the actual total is closer to 16 million installs of that version. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Kant wrote: Firefox ad hits NY Times[^] but is this a good thing or a bad thing for Firefox? Is the app ready for Joe User yet. Personally I don't think so. It still needs some work, especially when it comes to configuration and finding the right plugins. It also needs to enable the app caching as default otherwise people will still think IE is faster to start. Of course if this ad get Microsoft off their butts and releases IE 7 then maybe it is a good thing. Michael CP Blog [^]
Of course if this ad get Microsoft off their butts and releases IE 7 then maybe it is a good thing. Microsoft is too busy patching fixing security issues int he current version to release a new one. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Michael P Butler wrote: Of course if this ad get Microsoft off their butts and releases IE 7 then maybe it is a good thing Well thats one good thing I guess, but I honestly don't see what's wrong with IE, I have xp sp2 and it blocks more popups than Firefox and consistently works just fine. Other than for bashing Bill I don't see what the point is. It's just a lot of sound and fury signifying exactly nothing.
Firefox blocks ALL popups in my experience. How can IE block more than that? More FUD from the future 51st state... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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I think the problem is FireFox doesn't have a killer feature which would provoke the majority of real users to switch. Tabbed browsing is the only thing I hear about consistently as a feature a user would recognise, and my response is "meh". I don't care about it, and although I'm happy to accept that other people do, there'll be plenty who agree with me too. The other big FireFox advantage appears to be how well it handles standards, but that's a developer's concern, not a user's. Hoping FireFox will beat IE on those grounds is a bit like all those years I spent as a desktop developer hoping that there would be a popular rush from Win9x to the more expensive WinNT/2k so that it would be easier for me to develop Unicode applications for our international clients. Dream on! Maybe I'm missing something? Gavin Greig "Haw, you're no deid," girned Charon. "Get aff ma boat or ah'll report ye." Matthew Fitt - The Hoose O Haivers: The Twelve Trauchles O Heracles.
Maybe I'm missing something? I think that's obvious. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Maybe I'm missing something? I think that's obvious. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
:laugh: Gavin Greig "Haw, you're no deid," girned Charon. "Get aff ma boat or ah'll report ye." Matthew Fitt - The Hoose O Haivers: The Twelve Trauchles O Heracles.
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You've got a real thing about FireFox eh. How long did you use it for as your main browser? regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project
I used the release version for about 2 weeks when the it came out a little while ago and for about a year before that off an on when each beta came out. I use it for both testing purposes and for general purpose browsing. I also use Opera which I paid for quite some time ago. Opera is still hands down the fastest, smallest browser of any I've tried, no question. I don't have anything against Firefox at all, I think it's slightly inferior in some ways and offers nothing that I can see that is substantially different from other browsers, what do I have a thing about is all these bandwagon jumpers here who go on about it like it's a cure for cancer or something. It's just a web browser and the average user couldn't care less unless it does something for them which is new or compelling which it apparently doesn't from what I can see. The only thing it has going for it is people keep saying it's more secure, I have seen zero evidence of that and strangely no one here who is boosting it has posted any either in all the many discussions about it. There is also tab browsing, but if that isn't the who cares feature of the century then nothing is. I'm just going by facts, not the impressions or feelings here.
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Firefox blocks ALL popups in my experience. How can IE block more than that? More FUD from the future 51st state... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Firefox blocks ALL popups in my experience. How can IE block more than that? Then you truly haven't used it very much. I used it for months before the final release and weeks after the final release and I would get a popup within minutes of surfing news sites without fail. You're talking out your you know what once again John. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: More FUD from the future 51st state... FUD? You guys invented FUD and are perfecting it on a daily basis. ;P
