Lippman on VC++ .NET
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The latest from our new captain.. Those of us in the C++ community feel somewhat like the older child in a family when the new baby is brought home for the first time. Everybody goes gaga over the new little tyke, and we're lucky if we even get a pat on the head. It's hard not to feel ignored and a little bit hurt. Actually, it's even worse in technology because the ground is constantly shifting, and keeping abreast is a matter of survival. Of course, today the Microsoft® .NET Framework is the new technology on the block quite a feast at that, and everyone is oohing and aahing about the language called C#. If you're a C++ programmer, it is hard not to wonder if you ought to learn C#. After all, in the .NET discussion there is hardly a mention of C++, except to contrast it with C#. Are C++ programmers obsolete? Absolutely not...! He claims he's still in love with C++. Don't you think so? [especially if you're not a die-hard conspiracy theorist] // Fazlul
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The latest from our new captain.. Those of us in the C++ community feel somewhat like the older child in a family when the new baby is brought home for the first time. Everybody goes gaga over the new little tyke, and we're lucky if we even get a pat on the head. It's hard not to feel ignored and a little bit hurt. Actually, it's even worse in technology because the ground is constantly shifting, and keeping abreast is a matter of survival. Of course, today the Microsoft® .NET Framework is the new technology on the block quite a feast at that, and everyone is oohing and aahing about the language called C#. If you're a C++ programmer, it is hard not to wonder if you ought to learn C#. After all, in the .NET discussion there is hardly a mention of C++, except to contrast it with C#. Are C++ programmers obsolete? Absolutely not...! He claims he's still in love with C++. Don't you think so? [especially if you're not a die-hard conspiracy theorist] // Fazlul
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I have the impression that mr Lippman knows very little about Windows programming with C++. I vote pro drink :beer:
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The latest from our new captain.. Those of us in the C++ community feel somewhat like the older child in a family when the new baby is brought home for the first time. Everybody goes gaga over the new little tyke, and we're lucky if we even get a pat on the head. It's hard not to feel ignored and a little bit hurt. Actually, it's even worse in technology because the ground is constantly shifting, and keeping abreast is a matter of survival. Of course, today the Microsoft® .NET Framework is the new technology on the block quite a feast at that, and everyone is oohing and aahing about the language called C#. If you're a C++ programmer, it is hard not to wonder if you ought to learn C#. After all, in the .NET discussion there is hardly a mention of C++, except to contrast it with C#. Are C++ programmers obsolete? Absolutely not...! He claims he's still in love with C++. Don't you think so? [especially if you're not a die-hard conspiracy theorist] // Fazlul
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For me, he's missed the point altogether. I don't write .NET apps (and hope I never have to). What I'm worried about is that Microsoft will no longer support any developer that is not writing a .NET app. I personally hope .NET (and everything it stands for) falls flat on its face. Internet support is NOT end-all-be-all of application programming, and as soon as everyone realizes that Microsoft isn't doing it for the sake of the customer/consiumer, the better off EVERYONE will be. Everyone is so busy trying to force a business model over the internet that they've lost touch of what the internet is all about. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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The latest from our new captain.. Those of us in the C++ community feel somewhat like the older child in a family when the new baby is brought home for the first time. Everybody goes gaga over the new little tyke, and we're lucky if we even get a pat on the head. It's hard not to feel ignored and a little bit hurt. Actually, it's even worse in technology because the ground is constantly shifting, and keeping abreast is a matter of survival. Of course, today the Microsoft® .NET Framework is the new technology on the block quite a feast at that, and everyone is oohing and aahing about the language called C#. If you're a C++ programmer, it is hard not to wonder if you ought to learn C#. After all, in the .NET discussion there is hardly a mention of C++, except to contrast it with C#. Are C++ programmers obsolete? Absolutely not...! He claims he's still in love with C++. Don't you think so? [especially if you're not a die-hard conspiracy theorist] // Fazlul
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: He claims he's still in love with C++. Don't you think so? [especially if you're not a die-hard conspiracy theorist] The truth is out there, and the truth is he's on tour showing people how to use C#, he's writing books on C#, and he is undermining his position as token C++ guy day by day. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001
Sonork ID 100.10002:MeanManOz
I live in Bob's HungOut now
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The latest from our new captain.. Those of us in the C++ community feel somewhat like the older child in a family when the new baby is brought home for the first time. Everybody goes gaga over the new little tyke, and we're lucky if we even get a pat on the head. It's hard not to feel ignored and a little bit hurt. Actually, it's even worse in technology because the ground is constantly shifting, and keeping abreast is a matter of survival. Of course, today the Microsoft® .NET Framework is the new technology on the block quite a feast at that, and everyone is oohing and aahing about the language called C#. If you're a C++ programmer, it is hard not to wonder if you ought to learn C#. After all, in the .NET discussion there is hardly a mention of C++, except to contrast it with C#. Are C++ programmers obsolete? Absolutely not...! He claims he's still in love with C++. Don't you think so? [especially if you're not a die-hard conspiracy theorist] // Fazlul
Get RadVC today! Play RAD in VC++ http://www.capitolsoft.com
I don't like going into flame wars, but this article seems to me an insult to their readers. As a token of the "dramatic" improvement towards standard compliance, the guy shows three fixes that border on the ridiculous. Unfortunately, MSVC++ has much more important defects that really prevent programmers from accessing amazing techniques (IMHO partial template specialization being the most important one). You might want to check this article for an interesting list of defects on MSVC++ 6.0 SP4. It'll be interesting to know how many of these have been fixed on the .NET release. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
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For me, he's missed the point altogether. I don't write .NET apps (and hope I never have to). What I'm worried about is that Microsoft will no longer support any developer that is not writing a .NET app. I personally hope .NET (and everything it stands for) falls flat on its face. Internet support is NOT end-all-be-all of application programming, and as soon as everyone realizes that Microsoft isn't doing it for the sake of the customer/consiumer, the better off EVERYONE will be. Everyone is so busy trying to force a business model over the internet that they've lost touch of what the internet is all about. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Everyone is so busy trying to force a business model over the internet that they've lost touch of what the internet is all about. Porn? J
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Everyone is so busy trying to force a business model over the internet that they've lost touch of what the internet is all about. Porn? J
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The internet is for the free and uninhibited exchange of information... ...and porn. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
and, of course, we mustn't forget the porn...;) Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
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For me, he's missed the point altogether. I don't write .NET apps (and hope I never have to). What I'm worried about is that Microsoft will no longer support any developer that is not writing a .NET app. I personally hope .NET (and everything it stands for) falls flat on its face. Internet support is NOT end-all-be-all of application programming, and as soon as everyone realizes that Microsoft isn't doing it for the sake of the customer/consiumer, the better off EVERYONE will be. Everyone is so busy trying to force a business model over the internet that they've lost touch of what the internet is all about. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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The internet is for the free and uninhibited exchange of information... ...and porn. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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The latest from our new captain.. Those of us in the C++ community feel somewhat like the older child in a family when the new baby is brought home for the first time. Everybody goes gaga over the new little tyke, and we're lucky if we even get a pat on the head. It's hard not to feel ignored and a little bit hurt. Actually, it's even worse in technology because the ground is constantly shifting, and keeping abreast is a matter of survival. Of course, today the Microsoft® .NET Framework is the new technology on the block quite a feast at that, and everyone is oohing and aahing about the language called C#. If you're a C++ programmer, it is hard not to wonder if you ought to learn C#. After all, in the .NET discussion there is hardly a mention of C++, except to contrast it with C#. Are C++ programmers obsolete? Absolutely not...! He claims he's still in love with C++. Don't you think so? [especially if you're not a die-hard conspiracy theorist] // Fazlul
Get RadVC today! Play RAD in VC++ http://www.capitolsoft.com
[sarcasm] Hell, real men still program in C or Fortran. Who needs this C++ stuff. Everyone who programs in C++ is just a sell out to the whole C++ industry. [/sarcasm] C#? I couldn't give a rat's ass about it. What is MS moves away from C++? I couldn't give a rat's ass about it. I will just switch to another compiler. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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For me, he's missed the point altogether. I don't write .NET apps (and hope I never have to). What I'm worried about is that Microsoft will no longer support any developer that is not writing a .NET app. I personally hope .NET (and everything it stands for) falls flat on its face. Internet support is NOT end-all-be-all of application programming, and as soon as everyone realizes that Microsoft isn't doing it for the sake of the customer/consiumer, the better off EVERYONE will be. Everyone is so busy trying to force a business model over the internet that they've lost touch of what the internet is all about. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John, remember... MS must use C and C++ to develop Windows itself, not to mention the various programs they write and maintain. When you can write an OS in .NET, maybe you'll have some concerns, but until then MS will still support unmanaged code. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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I don't like going into flame wars, but this article seems to me an insult to their readers. As a token of the "dramatic" improvement towards standard compliance, the guy shows three fixes that border on the ridiculous. Unfortunately, MSVC++ has much more important defects that really prevent programmers from accessing amazing techniques (IMHO partial template specialization being the most important one). You might want to check this article for an interesting list of defects on MSVC++ 6.0 SP4. It'll be interesting to know how many of these have been fixed on the .NET release. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
Stanley has said already that the next version in development already compiles all the major template libraries like Blitz++ and Loki (considering that even Borland's compiler doesn't compile Loki, that's pretty impressive). No, VC7 isn't quite there.. but they had to ship it, so features got cut. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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Stanley has said already that the next version in development already compiles all the major template libraries like Blitz++ and Loki (considering that even Borland's compiler doesn't compile Loki, that's pretty impressive). No, VC7 isn't quite there.. but they had to ship it, so features got cut. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
I stroungly doubt a compiler is able to compile Loki without support for partial template specialization, and to the best of my knowledge VC7 does not have PTS yet, so... I'll stop doubting when someone actually reports being able to compile Loki in VC7. As for me, I still haven't had the chance to get hold of the compiler, but if anyone has already installed it, the test is fairly simple, Loki is downloadable at http://www.moderncppdesign.com/. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
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[sarcasm] Hell, real men still program in C or Fortran. Who needs this C++ stuff. Everyone who programs in C++ is just a sell out to the whole C++ industry. [/sarcasm] C#? I couldn't give a rat's ass about it. What is MS moves away from C++? I couldn't give a rat's ass about it. I will just switch to another compiler. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
[more-sarcasm] Real men don't use crud like windows they stick with the command line. [/more-sarcasm] Tim Smith wrote: C#? I couldn't give a rat's ass about it I agree so that is two rats arses now. Regardz Colin J Davies
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John, remember... MS must use C and C++ to develop Windows itself, not to mention the various programs they write and maintain. When you can write an OS in .NET, maybe you'll have some concerns, but until then MS will still support unmanaged code. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
I'm waiting for the announcment that MS has completely re-written Windows using Visual Basic. By some accounts, you'd think this has already happened. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Just exactly what type of applications do you create? Jason Gerard
Apps that don't need any of these fancy faggot languages. They have the balls to stand on their own without the crutches Microsoft supplies in the form of COM and Internet Exploder. These are men's applications - they got balls of steel - not afraid to look an end-user in the face and spit in his eyes!!! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!! Grrrrrrrrrrr!!! Harrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!! None of that foo-foo VB, Java, or C# fancy-pants pillow-biting crap for my apps, NO SIREEEE!!! "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I have the impression that mr Lippman knows very little about Windows programming with C++. I vote pro drink :beer:
With this release, however, there is no C++ support for RAD designers, such as those for Windows® Forms and Web Forms. Same old story!!! Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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I'm waiting for the announcment that MS has completely re-written Windows using Visual Basic. By some accounts, you'd think this has already happened. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
Then we wont have any blue screens huh? We'll simply get a VB run time error. That'd be something I must say. When a VB run time error means your kernel has crashed. Of course the kernel and the system DLLs and the basic OS would probably be 6 GB and msvbm700.dll by itself would be 1 GB I guess Nish :-) Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: He claims he's still in love with C++. Don't you think so? [especially if you're not a die-hard conspiracy theorist] The truth is out there, and the truth is he's on tour showing people how to use C#, he's writing books on C#, and he is undermining his position as token C++ guy day by day. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001
Sonork ID 100.10002:MeanManOz
I live in Bob's HungOut now
Well he did say that C++ guys should treat C# as the little brother and he also did say about how we shouldnt expect any more pats :-) Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
