Visual Studio 2005 Pricing Released
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Press Release[^] Frequently Asked Questions[^] Pricing[^] I'm shocked by the price increase. MSDN subscription price has nearly doubled, and more than tripled for the highest price option. Ugh. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
I am hearing a lot of talk in MS circles about the upcoming Team System way of doing things. I decided to google and find out what the brouhaha was all about. This is the best I could find from MS website. Erik Funkenbusch wrote: With Visual Studio 2005, Microsoft will deliver a comprehensive set of integrated lifecycle tools, proven process frameworks, best practices, and prescriptive architecture guidance, that will enable IT organizations to successfully deliver custom solutions on the Windows platform. The Visual Studio product line will be expanded to include Visual Studio Team System, an extensible lifecycle tools platform that significantly helps software teams collaborate to reduce the complexity of delivering modern service-oriented solutions Even though they forgot to use the word "synergy", I was able to instantly understand the above explanation. Now I thank Microsoft from bringing advanced things like "prescriptive architecture guidance" to poor underfed people like myself. Now we too can attack complex service-oriented solutions. Wait, there is more. We also get (are you ready for this) , !Proven Process Frameworks!, also known as PPF. Yes, I really said those words. I can barely contain myself. About "extensible lifecycle tools", it is said to result in productivity gains that are illegal in some countries. Victory at last !
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VSTS is definitely over-priced in my opinion!!! Nish
Nishant S wrote: VSTS is definitely over-priced in my opinion!!! most of MS prices are !!
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I am hearing a lot of talk in MS circles about the upcoming Team System way of doing things. I decided to google and find out what the brouhaha was all about. This is the best I could find from MS website. Erik Funkenbusch wrote: With Visual Studio 2005, Microsoft will deliver a comprehensive set of integrated lifecycle tools, proven process frameworks, best practices, and prescriptive architecture guidance, that will enable IT organizations to successfully deliver custom solutions on the Windows platform. The Visual Studio product line will be expanded to include Visual Studio Team System, an extensible lifecycle tools platform that significantly helps software teams collaborate to reduce the complexity of delivering modern service-oriented solutions Even though they forgot to use the word "synergy", I was able to instantly understand the above explanation. Now I thank Microsoft from bringing advanced things like "prescriptive architecture guidance" to poor underfed people like myself. Now we too can attack complex service-oriented solutions. Wait, there is more. We also get (are you ready for this) , !Proven Process Frameworks!, also known as PPF. Yes, I really said those words. I can barely contain myself. About "extensible lifecycle tools", it is said to result in productivity gains that are illegal in some countries. Victory at last !
:laugh: That's just about the best thing I've read on VSTS yet. And it's totally how I feel about it... :rolleyes:
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I am hearing a lot of talk in MS circles about the upcoming Team System way of doing things. I decided to google and find out what the brouhaha was all about. This is the best I could find from MS website. Erik Funkenbusch wrote: With Visual Studio 2005, Microsoft will deliver a comprehensive set of integrated lifecycle tools, proven process frameworks, best practices, and prescriptive architecture guidance, that will enable IT organizations to successfully deliver custom solutions on the Windows platform. The Visual Studio product line will be expanded to include Visual Studio Team System, an extensible lifecycle tools platform that significantly helps software teams collaborate to reduce the complexity of delivering modern service-oriented solutions Even though they forgot to use the word "synergy", I was able to instantly understand the above explanation. Now I thank Microsoft from bringing advanced things like "prescriptive architecture guidance" to poor underfed people like myself. Now we too can attack complex service-oriented solutions. Wait, there is more. We also get (are you ready for this) , !Proven Process Frameworks!, also known as PPF. Yes, I really said those words. I can barely contain myself. About "extensible lifecycle tools", it is said to result in productivity gains that are illegal in some countries. Victory at last !
The highest VSTS option costs 10K USD :D
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The highest VSTS option costs 10K USD :D
For $10K you can buy a massive server; put it on the internet and install Bugzilla & CVS/SVN on it. You'll also have enough change to buy toys [^]for all your developers. With this, and the whole bunch of free tools you get for .NET, what else do you really want? I have no intention of using or advising people to use Team System for just this reason. Cheers, Simon sig ::
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Press Release[^] Frequently Asked Questions[^] Pricing[^] I'm shocked by the price increase. MSDN subscription price has nearly doubled, and more than tripled for the highest price option. Ugh. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
How much will CodeProject be selling it for? I have seen two articles on an unmentionable website showing what is contained in the new IDE and I am impressed. :) I am the handsome one in the crowd.
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Press Release[^] Frequently Asked Questions[^] Pricing[^] I'm shocked by the price increase. MSDN subscription price has nearly doubled, and more than tripled for the highest price option. Ugh. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
Erik Funkenbusch wrote: Pricing[^] Damn. I'm going to have to start charging my clients a lot more money, just so that I can afford to keep up-to date with the tools needed to do my job. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Press Release[^] Frequently Asked Questions[^] Pricing[^] I'm shocked by the price increase. MSDN subscription price has nearly doubled, and more than tripled for the highest price option. Ugh. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
Is this per user, or are they moving towards a site licence for a team? Otherwise that is a pretty steep price increase, and would probably put me off renewing altogether. I've got an MSDN Universal, but never use the support calls. I have it becuase I find it useful to be able to have it there as a backup, e.g. I need to test my software on a strange client configuration, e.g. Windows XP SP1 with Office 97. If its the case that this is per user, then I would probably take advantage of the free Universal rollover, but when they wanted me to stump up money next time would leave it. Lets face it at that price, you might as well go an use all of Rationals stuff, and you get it on your CV too.
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Press Release[^] Frequently Asked Questions[^] Pricing[^] I'm shocked by the price increase. MSDN subscription price has nearly doubled, and more than tripled for the highest price option. Ugh. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
Like most A type personalities we want the best available, which was a Universal MSDN sub. As such, looking at the new sub offerings induces a knee-jerk reaction of 'oh my god, the best has gone up 3 fold'. However, after looking at the pricing and descriptions of the various 'Team' streams, it looks like a current Univ sub maps directly, both in price and functionality, to a Profession Edition and MSDN Premium sub. The new Team Arch/Dev/Tester streams cost a little more and you get brand new tools - i can live with that. I do wonder how pure their hearts are when they offer a free upgrade from a current Universal sub to one of the Team streams, i suspect they are more interested in getting another $300/yr in sub renewals and hooking us on the MS 'Team' way of doing things ... you DO want to be a TEAM player ... don't you? :) What i would like to see is a more detailed explaination of the different tools that come with the different streams, and possibly an option to customize a stream by picking which tools we want. e.g. dev stream but exchange dev static code analyzer for arch application modeling. ...cmk Save the whales - collect the whole set
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Press Release[^] Frequently Asked Questions[^] Pricing[^] I'm shocked by the price increase. MSDN subscription price has nearly doubled, and more than tripled for the highest price option. Ugh. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
I like the price of the express edition... 49$. Good for beginning.
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Is this per user, or are they moving towards a site licence for a team? Otherwise that is a pretty steep price increase, and would probably put me off renewing altogether. I've got an MSDN Universal, but never use the support calls. I have it becuase I find it useful to be able to have it there as a backup, e.g. I need to test my software on a strange client configuration, e.g. Windows XP SP1 with Office 97. If its the case that this is per user, then I would probably take advantage of the free Universal rollover, but when they wanted me to stump up money next time would leave it. Lets face it at that price, you might as well go an use all of Rationals stuff, and you get it on your CV too.
It's per user. You have to choose whether you want the Developer, Architect, or Tester version of Visual Studio for $5500, unless you pay $10,000 for all three versions. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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Like most A type personalities we want the best available, which was a Universal MSDN sub. As such, looking at the new sub offerings induces a knee-jerk reaction of 'oh my god, the best has gone up 3 fold'. However, after looking at the pricing and descriptions of the various 'Team' streams, it looks like a current Univ sub maps directly, both in price and functionality, to a Profession Edition and MSDN Premium sub. The new Team Arch/Dev/Tester streams cost a little more and you get brand new tools - i can live with that. I do wonder how pure their hearts are when they offer a free upgrade from a current Universal sub to one of the Team streams, i suspect they are more interested in getting another $300/yr in sub renewals and hooking us on the MS 'Team' way of doing things ... you DO want to be a TEAM player ... don't you? :) What i would like to see is a more detailed explaination of the different tools that come with the different streams, and possibly an option to customize a stream by picking which tools we want. e.g. dev stream but exchange dev static code analyzer for arch application modeling. ...cmk Save the whales - collect the whole set
The thing about the MSDN Universal is that it was "just in case" option. If I needed any particular tool during the year, I had it. I didn't have to spend weeks trying to requisition new tools. One reasonable price, you got everything, most of which I never used. But, because of the reasonable price, I never minded paying for things I didn't use so to speak. The new MSDN Pro subscription is not equivelent to the old MSDN Universal. The professional version of the product doesn't include all the stuff the old Enterprise Architect did (such as UML diagramming and Application Test Center, etc..). My problem is that there is no middle ground. There is only MSDN Professional, and the next step is Team System at a cost of almost twice what it was. Team System is great, but frankly, I don't see it being worth 2x the old cost, much less more than 3x simply because I perform all three duties (Development, Architect and Test). -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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I like the price of the express edition... 49$. Good for beginning.
Yeah, the express price is nice. I was hoping it would be free, as it is now... but $49 is more than acceptable. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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The thing about the MSDN Universal is that it was "just in case" option. If I needed any particular tool during the year, I had it. I didn't have to spend weeks trying to requisition new tools. One reasonable price, you got everything, most of which I never used. But, because of the reasonable price, I never minded paying for things I didn't use so to speak. The new MSDN Pro subscription is not equivelent to the old MSDN Universal. The professional version of the product doesn't include all the stuff the old Enterprise Architect did (such as UML diagramming and Application Test Center, etc..). My problem is that there is no middle ground. There is only MSDN Professional, and the next step is Team System at a cost of almost twice what it was. Team System is great, but frankly, I don't see it being worth 2x the old cost, much less more than 3x simply because I perform all three duties (Development, Architect and Test). -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
I'm in the same situation and agree. Seems a bit much when you do a bit of everything. I'm not so big on the testing side, but I do architect and develop. Kind of worried that there is stuff missing from the Architect version that is not in the developer version. Thats kind of pricing make Rationals tools look cheap. Which is a shame, because the MS stuff has always been rich and easy to use, but reasonably priced. Maybe someone needs to remind them the reason the Windows platform is strong is becasue there are a massive legion of developers who find the cost entry reasonably, and good tools. Take one of those away, and they may find things get interesting.
