Commercial GUI Libraries
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Hi All, hope your all having a good day. just curious to what GUI libraries any of your are using for your developement projects. i was thinking of diving into :omg: purchasing CJ or GCG :omg:, i need to focus more on the business logic code, than worrying about the eye candy and keeping up with the changing gui's that users want these days. i was also looking at the iron speed RAD pro software for my .net/web development projects, looks pretty cool any thoughts on the above items appreciated. thanks Peter
Back when I was an MFC developer, I used to use Dundas Ultimate Toolbox. A very good developer resource. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Hi All, hope your all having a good day. just curious to what GUI libraries any of your are using for your developement projects. i was thinking of diving into :omg: purchasing CJ or GCG :omg:, i need to focus more on the business logic code, than worrying about the eye candy and keeping up with the changing gui's that users want these days. i was also looking at the iron speed RAD pro software for my .net/web development projects, looks pretty cool any thoughts on the above items appreciated. thanks Peter
We use Infragistics netadvantage framework. We make business apps and one of our goals is to make our apps similar in use and appearance to Outlook which it does very well. I would recommend it to anyone, however what you really need to do is demo / trial all the ones recommended first and take as long as possible to try them in a real world situation because you will quickly find all sorts of surprises in any one of them where things are not what you assumed. It's certainly worth the time to spend on it even if it takes a few weeks because in the end your saving thousands of hours of work by using them.
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I still use Objective Studio from Stingray, mostly for the grid control. (I have learned about their grid control before I heard of Chris's...) http://www.roguewave.com/products/gui/[^]
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Hi All, hope your all having a good day. just curious to what GUI libraries any of your are using for your developement projects. i was thinking of diving into :omg: purchasing CJ or GCG :omg:, i need to focus more on the business logic code, than worrying about the eye candy and keeping up with the changing gui's that users want these days. i was also looking at the iron speed RAD pro software for my .net/web development projects, looks pretty cool any thoughts on the above items appreciated. thanks Peter
I've used quite a few of the GUI products and would wholeheartedly recommend the Dundas Toolkit. **HOWEVER** I will state the following in fairness to you: * The product has many bugs - For the most part, the code is extremly robust and easy to work with. However, there are times when you're going to have to roll up your sleeves and either fix something or create a kludge to get around a design issue. * The documentation is extremely bad - Many of the examples in the docs don't even work. Documentation is definitely an after-thought and very much out of synch with the product. * You can forget support - I was extremely disappointed in this area as I found support to be non-existent. Most of my emails and questions went unanswered so after about 3 weeks I figured that I can't figure it out, it just isn't getting done. Having said that, I look at value as the determining factor. In other words, sure the product isn't perfect, but it costs something like $500 (I got mine with the yearly combination sale) and the simple fact is that despite its shortcomings, you couldn't possibly write even a fraction of what they give you for less than the price of the toolkit. As a result I would definitely recommend it. Cheers, Tom Archer - Archer Consulting Group Programmer Trainer and Mentor and Project Management Consultant
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Don't forget www.TheUltimateToolbox.com[^]. These are the Dundas MFC toolkits now selling under their own brand exclusively through CodeProject. cheers, Chris Maunder
I would say that about 25% of our projects are VC++/MFC projects and we use the Ultimate Toolbox in every one. Cheers, Tom Archer - Archer Consulting Group Programmer Trainer and Mentor and Project Management Consultant
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Hi All, hope your all having a good day. just curious to what GUI libraries any of your are using for your developement projects. i was thinking of diving into :omg: purchasing CJ or GCG :omg:, i need to focus more on the business logic code, than worrying about the eye candy and keeping up with the changing gui's that users want these days. i was also looking at the iron speed RAD pro software for my .net/web development projects, looks pretty cool any thoughts on the above items appreciated. thanks Peter
Prof-UIS[^] Excellent price, library (which is growing pretty quickly) and support. I've switched from some of the above mentioned to them. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." - -Uknown.
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Prof-UIS[^] Excellent price, library (which is growing pretty quickly) and support. I've switched from some of the above mentioned to them. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." - -Uknown.
I'll second Prof-UIS. I'm using it in Surfulater (see sig). It is under constant development and they are very responsive to specific feature requests. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows www.getsoft.com and Surfulater www.surfulater.com "Save what you Surf"
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As many others I used(!) the MFC toolkit from http://www.bcgsoft.com [^]. Last year, again as many other, I switched to the same-looking-but-much-better-designed (from a code perspective) toolkit from http://www.codejock.com [^]. I strongly recommend the one from CodeJock if you do MFC. -- Affordable Windows-based CMS: www.zeta-producer.com
I am still using BCG. Why should I consider CodeJock? You said "many others" have switched? Why? How is the design different and what difference does it make in your opinion? I am interested to find out if I am missing out on something. I assume CodeJock allows customization of the menus, toolbars and keyboard nowadays (always a strength with BCG)? The last time I looked at CodeJock it didn't look very good when running with large fonts enabled, something BCG copes with very well.
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I am still using BCG. Why should I consider CodeJock? You said "many others" have switched? Why? How is the design different and what difference does it make in your opinion? I am interested to find out if I am missing out on something. I assume CodeJock allows customization of the menus, toolbars and keyboard nowadays (always a strength with BCG)? The last time I looked at CodeJock it didn't look very good when running with large fonts enabled, something BCG copes with very well.
Of course I'm biased when saying "many others", since I do *hate* the code-design/-architecture of BCG. Someone who switched were the developers of the tools at www.speedproject.com [^]. The reason why I switched: I wanted to add a local toolbar and menubar to a dialog box (i.e. NOT only inside the main window, but at a second window). I found out that the library is terribly designed around the main window and that what I wanted did work somehow, but with all sort of problems (I forgot most of them, but I recall some message routing stuff, some focus problems, etc.) When I tried CodeJock I saw that their overall design allowed everything I needed in a really clear and understandable manner, leaving that BCG way behind them. So that's the reason :) -- Affordable Windows-based CMS: www.zeta-producer.com
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Of course I'm biased when saying "many others", since I do *hate* the code-design/-architecture of BCG. Someone who switched were the developers of the tools at www.speedproject.com [^]. The reason why I switched: I wanted to add a local toolbar and menubar to a dialog box (i.e. NOT only inside the main window, but at a second window). I found out that the library is terribly designed around the main window and that what I wanted did work somehow, but with all sort of problems (I forgot most of them, but I recall some message routing stuff, some focus problems, etc.) When I tried CodeJock I saw that their overall design allowed everything I needed in a really clear and understandable manner, leaving that BCG way behind them. So that's the reason :) -- Affordable Windows-based CMS: www.zeta-producer.com
We are sorry, but when the library was being designed, a very important feature as adding a main menu to a dialog wasn’t implemented. It was really our fault and we apologize for it. I understand now, that this feature will be a main stream in the next generation of GUI design and we’ll immediately start to implement it. In addition, we’ll put a link to example demonstrating how to add toolbars to dialogs on every page of our site. Otherwise, it’s very hard to find it in our “Samples” folder, we understand it now.:-D Also, it was our mistake to assume, that a customer, who has a trouble, should call our support center. But this way is very primitive, isn’t it? The much more elegant way is using CP’s forum, where customer can tell how bad BCGSoft’s team and how he hate our company.:-D Now, let’s put away jokes and smiles. Customer satisfaction is very important to us and we do all the best to improve our products and services. If customer wants to get most of the product functionality, he/she should learn and understand it deeply first, and our support team is always ready to help. Stas Levin BCGSoft Ltd CEO http://www.bcgsoft.com The world of MFC GUI Components.
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We are sorry, but when the library was being designed, a very important feature as adding a main menu to a dialog wasn’t implemented. It was really our fault and we apologize for it. I understand now, that this feature will be a main stream in the next generation of GUI design and we’ll immediately start to implement it. In addition, we’ll put a link to example demonstrating how to add toolbars to dialogs on every page of our site. Otherwise, it’s very hard to find it in our “Samples” folder, we understand it now.:-D Also, it was our mistake to assume, that a customer, who has a trouble, should call our support center. But this way is very primitive, isn’t it? The much more elegant way is using CP’s forum, where customer can tell how bad BCGSoft’s team and how he hate our company.:-D Now, let’s put away jokes and smiles. Customer satisfaction is very important to us and we do all the best to improve our products and services. If customer wants to get most of the product functionality, he/she should learn and understand it deeply first, and our support team is always ready to help. Stas Levin BCGSoft Ltd CEO http://www.bcgsoft.com The world of MFC GUI Components.
Sorry, it was not my intention to talk in a bad way about your library in the public, i just wanted to describe the reasons why I switched over to another library. Probably I wrote to emotional. Sorry! -- Affordable Windows-based CMS: www.zeta-producer.com