Anti-racial insult laws
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http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/3539460[^] This week, during a soccer game, an Argentinean player insulted a Brazilian player. BTW, the name of the Brazilian player is "Grafite" (Graphite), in a reference to his skin color. Allegedly, he said Grafite was a "monkey, and you can take the ball and the banana and stick up in your …” I believe you can fill the blanks. The problem is: in Brazil, this is a crime, and you can go to jail for up to 5 years if you do this. Actually, most people end up condemned to only 6 months in jail and pay a fine of half-an-year of wage. To make things clear: cursing and insulting a person here will never send you to jail (people do it everyday in heavy traffic), but if you use racial insults you will go to jail. Actually, monkey racist references are not a wise thing here, since 80% of the police force is black. Probably you’ll get a very special monkey treatment when they take you to jail. Desabato, the Argentinean player said that in Argentina this was not a crime. So, how is it in your country? Is it a crime or not? I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
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http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/3539460[^] This week, during a soccer game, an Argentinean player insulted a Brazilian player. BTW, the name of the Brazilian player is "Grafite" (Graphite), in a reference to his skin color. Allegedly, he said Grafite was a "monkey, and you can take the ball and the banana and stick up in your …” I believe you can fill the blanks. The problem is: in Brazil, this is a crime, and you can go to jail for up to 5 years if you do this. Actually, most people end up condemned to only 6 months in jail and pay a fine of half-an-year of wage. To make things clear: cursing and insulting a person here will never send you to jail (people do it everyday in heavy traffic), but if you use racial insults you will go to jail. Actually, monkey racist references are not a wise thing here, since 80% of the police force is black. Probably you’ll get a very special monkey treatment when they take you to jail. Desabato, the Argentinean player said that in Argentina this was not a crime. So, how is it in your country? Is it a crime or not? I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: he said Grafite was a "monkey, and you can take the ball and the banana and stick up in your …” Ok, I can understand it is an insult, but why is it considered a anti-racial insult? Is monkey used by some people in your country to refer to a certain race?
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http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/3539460[^] This week, during a soccer game, an Argentinean player insulted a Brazilian player. BTW, the name of the Brazilian player is "Grafite" (Graphite), in a reference to his skin color. Allegedly, he said Grafite was a "monkey, and you can take the ball and the banana and stick up in your …” I believe you can fill the blanks. The problem is: in Brazil, this is a crime, and you can go to jail for up to 5 years if you do this. Actually, most people end up condemned to only 6 months in jail and pay a fine of half-an-year of wage. To make things clear: cursing and insulting a person here will never send you to jail (people do it everyday in heavy traffic), but if you use racial insults you will go to jail. Actually, monkey racist references are not a wise thing here, since 80% of the police force is black. Probably you’ll get a very special monkey treatment when they take you to jail. Desabato, the Argentinean player said that in Argentina this was not a crime. So, how is it in your country? Is it a crime or not? I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: So, how is it in your country? Is it a crime or not? Here, it's a crime to insult any religion*. I don't know if race is dealt with in the law books, but religion certainly is. Daniel Turini wrote: Desabato, the Argentinean player said that in Argentina this was not a crime. Idiot. If it's not a crime in his country, let him do it there. Rule #1 when you're visiting any country is, you agree to abide by the laws of that country. (I think diplomatic visas are expemt, though :~ ) * - The reason is probably that we're such a bunch practising different religions and passions are easily inflamed, so nobody is allowed to insult any religion. Vikram.
http://www.geocities.com/vpunathambekar "It's like hitting water with your fist. There's all sorts of motion and noise at impact, and no impression left whatsoever shortly thereafter." — gantww.
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http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/3539460[^] This week, during a soccer game, an Argentinean player insulted a Brazilian player. BTW, the name of the Brazilian player is "Grafite" (Graphite), in a reference to his skin color. Allegedly, he said Grafite was a "monkey, and you can take the ball and the banana and stick up in your …” I believe you can fill the blanks. The problem is: in Brazil, this is a crime, and you can go to jail for up to 5 years if you do this. Actually, most people end up condemned to only 6 months in jail and pay a fine of half-an-year of wage. To make things clear: cursing and insulting a person here will never send you to jail (people do it everyday in heavy traffic), but if you use racial insults you will go to jail. Actually, monkey racist references are not a wise thing here, since 80% of the police force is black. Probably you’ll get a very special monkey treatment when they take you to jail. Desabato, the Argentinean player said that in Argentina this was not a crime. So, how is it in your country? Is it a crime or not? I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
How would calling someone a monkey be a reference to his/her skin color? Monkeys come in all kinds of colors, don't they? Moreover monkeys are our cousin-species too - so it's not like calling someone a frog or a rhino or something. Nish
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http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/3539460[^] This week, during a soccer game, an Argentinean player insulted a Brazilian player. BTW, the name of the Brazilian player is "Grafite" (Graphite), in a reference to his skin color. Allegedly, he said Grafite was a "monkey, and you can take the ball and the banana and stick up in your …” I believe you can fill the blanks. The problem is: in Brazil, this is a crime, and you can go to jail for up to 5 years if you do this. Actually, most people end up condemned to only 6 months in jail and pay a fine of half-an-year of wage. To make things clear: cursing and insulting a person here will never send you to jail (people do it everyday in heavy traffic), but if you use racial insults you will go to jail. Actually, monkey racist references are not a wise thing here, since 80% of the police force is black. Probably you’ll get a very special monkey treatment when they take you to jail. Desabato, the Argentinean player said that in Argentina this was not a crime. So, how is it in your country? Is it a crime or not? I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
I never understood why anyone would hate somebody with another skincolor of faith or whatever, but I also fail to see why calling a black man "chocolate man" or something like that, has to do with racism, if off course, you say it in anger or a fight. My experience tells me that black men, white men, or any man, is an equal racist. A black man will call us whity or white boy, ... (fill in here) just the same as we call them names. It's only racism if you go to a stranger in the street and calling him names for no reason. (then it doesn't even matter what you name him) If the two soccer players had a fight for something that has to do with soccer, why would it be 'racism'? We al say things we regret later on. No hurries, no worries.
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How would calling someone a monkey be a reference to his/her skin color? Monkeys come in all kinds of colors, don't they? Moreover monkeys are our cousin-species too - so it's not like calling someone a frog or a rhino or something. Nish
Both in Brazil and Argentina people call black people monkeys because it would mean that black people is one evolutionary step behind. Actually, as with any racist reasoning, the more you think about it, the more you see it's stupid... I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
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How would calling someone a monkey be a reference to his/her skin color? Monkeys come in all kinds of colors, don't they? Moreover monkeys are our cousin-species too - so it's not like calling someone a frog or a rhino or something. Nish
You are being far too rational and analytical about this. Curse of being a programmer ;) regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Gary Wheeler wrote: It's people like you that keep me heading for my big debut on CNN...
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http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/3539460[^] This week, during a soccer game, an Argentinean player insulted a Brazilian player. BTW, the name of the Brazilian player is "Grafite" (Graphite), in a reference to his skin color. Allegedly, he said Grafite was a "monkey, and you can take the ball and the banana and stick up in your …” I believe you can fill the blanks. The problem is: in Brazil, this is a crime, and you can go to jail for up to 5 years if you do this. Actually, most people end up condemned to only 6 months in jail and pay a fine of half-an-year of wage. To make things clear: cursing and insulting a person here will never send you to jail (people do it everyday in heavy traffic), but if you use racial insults you will go to jail. Actually, monkey racist references are not a wise thing here, since 80% of the police force is black. Probably you’ll get a very special monkey treatment when they take you to jail. Desabato, the Argentinean player said that in Argentina this was not a crime. So, how is it in your country? Is it a crime or not? I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: The problem is: in Brazil, this is a crime, and you can go to jail for up to 5 years if you do this. Actually, most people end up condemned to only 6 months in jail and pay a fine of half-an-year of wage. Eat your heart out Archie Bunker, for you would get life.
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Daniel Turini wrote: So, how is it in your country? Is it a crime or not? Here, it's a crime to insult any religion*. I don't know if race is dealt with in the law books, but religion certainly is. Daniel Turini wrote: Desabato, the Argentinean player said that in Argentina this was not a crime. Idiot. If it's not a crime in his country, let him do it there. Rule #1 when you're visiting any country is, you agree to abide by the laws of that country. (I think diplomatic visas are expemt, though :~ ) * - The reason is probably that we're such a bunch practising different religions and passions are easily inflamed, so nobody is allowed to insult any religion. Vikram.
http://www.geocities.com/vpunathambekar "It's like hitting water with your fist. There's all sorts of motion and noise at impact, and no impression left whatsoever shortly thereafter." — gantww.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: Here, it's a crime to insult any religion*. Atually, the same law here defines gender, sexual orientation, race and religion discrimination as crime. I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
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Daniel Turini wrote: he said Grafite was a "monkey, and you can take the ball and the banana and stick up in your …” Ok, I can understand it is an insult, but why is it considered a anti-racial insult? Is monkey used by some people in your country to refer to a certain race?
Nu Er Ha Chi wrote: Is monkey used by some people in your country to refer to a certain race? Yes - it's a common racist insult call black people "monkeys", as a means of saying that they are not fully evolved as white people. I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: Here, it's a crime to insult any religion*. Atually, the same law here defines gender, sexual orientation, race and religion discrimination as crime. I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
Same goes for sweden. Although you would most likely not end up in jail for it.. You might go to jail 1-2 years for rape and 10 years for fiddling with your taxes.. Anyway , on the same topic. Here in sweden we have had an ice cream called "Nogger" for years (Nogger is not a swedish word so i guess its just a name) Now the same company released a licorice version of it called "Nogger Black" Now Swedish anti racists claim the its a rasist name. Is it? //Roger
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Both in Brazil and Argentina people call black people monkeys because it would mean that black people is one evolutionary step behind. Actually, as with any racist reasoning, the more you think about it, the more you see it's stupid... I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: Both in Brazil and Argentina people call black people monkeys because it would mean that black people is one evolutionary step behind. Ah okay.
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You are being far too rational and analytical about this. Curse of being a programmer ;) regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Gary Wheeler wrote: It's people like you that keep me heading for my big debut on CNN...
Paul Watson wrote: Curse of being a programmer :rolleyes:
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I never understood why anyone would hate somebody with another skincolor of faith or whatever, but I also fail to see why calling a black man "chocolate man" or something like that, has to do with racism, if off course, you say it in anger or a fight. My experience tells me that black men, white men, or any man, is an equal racist. A black man will call us whity or white boy, ... (fill in here) just the same as we call them names. It's only racism if you go to a stranger in the street and calling him names for no reason. (then it doesn't even matter what you name him) If the two soccer players had a fight for something that has to do with soccer, why would it be 'racism'? We al say things we regret later on. No hurries, no worries.
V. wrote: We al say things we regret later on. And some of us misspell/mistype words that we regret later :-D Nish p.s. Just kidding :-)
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http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/3539460[^] This week, during a soccer game, an Argentinean player insulted a Brazilian player. BTW, the name of the Brazilian player is "Grafite" (Graphite), in a reference to his skin color. Allegedly, he said Grafite was a "monkey, and you can take the ball and the banana and stick up in your …” I believe you can fill the blanks. The problem is: in Brazil, this is a crime, and you can go to jail for up to 5 years if you do this. Actually, most people end up condemned to only 6 months in jail and pay a fine of half-an-year of wage. To make things clear: cursing and insulting a person here will never send you to jail (people do it everyday in heavy traffic), but if you use racial insults you will go to jail. Actually, monkey racist references are not a wise thing here, since 80% of the police force is black. Probably you’ll get a very special monkey treatment when they take you to jail. Desabato, the Argentinean player said that in Argentina this was not a crime. So, how is it in your country? Is it a crime or not? I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
The quote sounded like some good-natured ribbing between competitors to me... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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V. wrote: We al say things we regret later on. And some of us misspell/mistype words that we regret later :-D Nish p.s. Just kidding :-)
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http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/3539460[^] This week, during a soccer game, an Argentinean player insulted a Brazilian player. BTW, the name of the Brazilian player is "Grafite" (Graphite), in a reference to his skin color. Allegedly, he said Grafite was a "monkey, and you can take the ball and the banana and stick up in your …” I believe you can fill the blanks. The problem is: in Brazil, this is a crime, and you can go to jail for up to 5 years if you do this. Actually, most people end up condemned to only 6 months in jail and pay a fine of half-an-year of wage. To make things clear: cursing and insulting a person here will never send you to jail (people do it everyday in heavy traffic), but if you use racial insults you will go to jail. Actually, monkey racist references are not a wise thing here, since 80% of the police force is black. Probably you’ll get a very special monkey treatment when they take you to jail. Desabato, the Argentinean player said that in Argentina this was not a crime. So, how is it in your country? Is it a crime or not? I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: So, how is it in your country? Is it a crime or not? Unfortunately it depends on who you are talking about. Although racial and religious insults can end up in court, there are exceptions. It is "okay" legally (although I disagree with the laws) for native american racial slurs. There was even a campaign in 2004, campaigning against the "dogs" candidate. Although it got horrible shock within the native american communities, the rest of the nation didn't even blink. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/3539460[^] This week, during a soccer game, an Argentinean player insulted a Brazilian player. BTW, the name of the Brazilian player is "Grafite" (Graphite), in a reference to his skin color. Allegedly, he said Grafite was a "monkey, and you can take the ball and the banana and stick up in your …” I believe you can fill the blanks. The problem is: in Brazil, this is a crime, and you can go to jail for up to 5 years if you do this. Actually, most people end up condemned to only 6 months in jail and pay a fine of half-an-year of wage. To make things clear: cursing and insulting a person here will never send you to jail (people do it everyday in heavy traffic), but if you use racial insults you will go to jail. Actually, monkey racist references are not a wise thing here, since 80% of the police force is black. Probably you’ll get a very special monkey treatment when they take you to jail. Desabato, the Argentinean player said that in Argentina this was not a crime. So, how is it in your country? Is it a crime or not? I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: "This week, during a soccer game, an Argentinean player insulted a Brazilian player." First of all, I can't believe I missed this game! Brazil vs Argentina is no doubt a soccer classic, indeed two soccer super powers, although Brazil IMHO has proven to be a superior soccer force than any other country given its performance in the last several world cups. Second, what I am about to say is off topic and no doubt contraversial, some may even call it a racist generalization, and indeed it may be. However, given my experience in life, the people I've worked with, my years abroad in Chile, the news I've watched and read, history, etc..., it should not surprise anyone that a "typical" argentenian considers himself or herself superior to anyone else on the sole basis of being argentenian. I know, I know, this is no doubt a generalization; there are definitely lots of exceptions to the rule, at least so they say, because I myself have come across very few. There's a classic joke about this: why is it that an argentenian spy is always discovered? Because he has a huge sign on the back of his jacket that says "I'm the best spy in the world!". Yes, go ahead and rate this reply a 1. What can I say? Experience has to prove me otherwise. Back to your topic though, in the US I don't think, though I'm not sure, making a racial insult will result in jail time. However, I dare anyone to go down to Compton, Watts, South Central, etc... and make one against african americans; You will no dount leave there either dead or very close to dead. Finally, regarding the argentenian player, I don't think any charges should be pressed against him. After all, when you're in the heat of the battle within a soccer field almost anything goes, especially when you're talking about Brazil vs Argentina. Had I been the brazilian player I would have probably responded with something like, "negro y qué!, argentino de la **********"
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http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/3539460[^] This week, during a soccer game, an Argentinean player insulted a Brazilian player. BTW, the name of the Brazilian player is "Grafite" (Graphite), in a reference to his skin color. Allegedly, he said Grafite was a "monkey, and you can take the ball and the banana and stick up in your …” I believe you can fill the blanks. The problem is: in Brazil, this is a crime, and you can go to jail for up to 5 years if you do this. Actually, most people end up condemned to only 6 months in jail and pay a fine of half-an-year of wage. To make things clear: cursing and insulting a person here will never send you to jail (people do it everyday in heavy traffic), but if you use racial insults you will go to jail. Actually, monkey racist references are not a wise thing here, since 80% of the police force is black. Probably you’ll get a very special monkey treatment when they take you to jail. Desabato, the Argentinean player said that in Argentina this was not a crime. So, how is it in your country? Is it a crime or not? I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
In the US, you can call anyone whatever you want. The government won't put you in jail. Of course, most people will look down on you if you use racial slurs. If you are a sports player, the team or the league might do something, but the government won't. ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^]
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Daniel Turini wrote: "This week, during a soccer game, an Argentinean player insulted a Brazilian player." First of all, I can't believe I missed this game! Brazil vs Argentina is no doubt a soccer classic, indeed two soccer super powers, although Brazil IMHO has proven to be a superior soccer force than any other country given its performance in the last several world cups. Second, what I am about to say is off topic and no doubt contraversial, some may even call it a racist generalization, and indeed it may be. However, given my experience in life, the people I've worked with, my years abroad in Chile, the news I've watched and read, history, etc..., it should not surprise anyone that a "typical" argentenian considers himself or herself superior to anyone else on the sole basis of being argentenian. I know, I know, this is no doubt a generalization; there are definitely lots of exceptions to the rule, at least so they say, because I myself have come across very few. There's a classic joke about this: why is it that an argentenian spy is always discovered? Because he has a huge sign on the back of his jacket that says "I'm the best spy in the world!". Yes, go ahead and rate this reply a 1. What can I say? Experience has to prove me otherwise. Back to your topic though, in the US I don't think, though I'm not sure, making a racial insult will result in jail time. However, I dare anyone to go down to Compton, Watts, South Central, etc... and make one against african americans; You will no dount leave there either dead or very close to dead. Finally, regarding the argentenian player, I don't think any charges should be pressed against him. After all, when you're in the heat of the battle within a soccer field almost anything goes, especially when you're talking about Brazil vs Argentina. Had I been the brazilian player I would have probably responded with something like, "negro y qué!, argentino de la **********"
Giancarlo Aguilera wrote: First of all, I can't believe I missed this game! Brazil vs Argentina is no doubt a soccer classic, indeed two soccer super powers, although Brazil IMHO has proven to be a superior soccer force than any other country given its performance in the last several world cups. Actually, it was not Brazil x Argentina: it was São Paulo x Quilmes. Giancarlo Aguilera wrote: Experience has to prove me otherwise. LOL. I know what you mean. Argentinean are really proud of themselves. I've heard another joke: what's the best deal in the world? Buy an argentinean for his real price and sell him for what he think he's worth :) I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
