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David Wulff wrote: Over here you wouldn't hear the Catholic version. Ahh, that explains the confusion.
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Saying that... it doesn't come up very often but with the Americans I have heard using that phrase they've all used the Polish version. I don't know if it is linked to a TV programme or something like that?
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Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger What's the reason for selecting a new name when you're elected Pope? He turned 78 on Saturday. Sigh. So we get to go through all this media rigamarole again in a few years, eh? Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
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Saying that... it doesn't come up very often but with the Americans I have heard using that phrase they've all used the Polish version. I don't know if it is linked to a TV programme or something like that?
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Frankly, i'd be amazed to find a significant number of people here who'd know that the pope *was* Polish... or even know who the pope was, for that matter. Guess i don't hang out with enough catholics. :rolleyes: Medication for us all You think you know me, well you're wrong
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The first pope to change his name IIRC was a roman who didn't want to be pope with the name of a greek god (or goddess).
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boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenI'm curious, which pope was that, and what was his name before the name change?
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Marc Clifton wrote: What's the reason for selecting a new name when you're elected Pope? And how come none of them ever choose the name "Judas"? :confused: :-D The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance.
FYI, "Judas" was not the name of the guy who betrayed Jesus. New Testament translators changed his name from the Hebrew "Yehuda" (Judah) to Judas so as to avoid confusion with Jude (recipient of one of Paul's letters, after which the NT book of Jude is named after), who was also named Judah. Of course, Judas wasn't the only recipient of a name change by translators. James, brother of Jesus and believed writer of the book of James, was actually named Ya'akov (Jacob) which is consistently translated as Jacob in the Bible, except in the New Testament where it's translated as James.
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I'm curious, which pope was that, and what was his name before the name change?
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thanks to the internet :) Mercurius (533-535), called himself Johannes II Octavianus, 955 called himself Johannes XII. Since 996, renaming himself became comonplace, only two did keep their name since. Article in German[^]
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I think the name is an indication of how they intend to rule/reign/lead . Benedict the XV was a moderate I believe, and so choosing that name indicates this Pope will be more moderate. This is an important symbol, especially given how John Paul was viewed at times as being too traditional. I'm not sure why they choose names, but I imagine it symbolizes moving into a new role and distinguishes a Pope further from the Cardinals. Marc Clifton wrote: So we get to go through all this media rigamarole again in a few years, eh? :-D Beats the hell out of the Capitol Hill bitchfest. BW
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FYI, "Judas" was not the name of the guy who betrayed Jesus. New Testament translators changed his name from the Hebrew "Yehuda" (Judah) to Judas so as to avoid confusion with Jude (recipient of one of Paul's letters, after which the NT book of Jude is named after), who was also named Judah. Of course, Judas wasn't the only recipient of a name change by translators. James, brother of Jesus and believed writer of the book of James, was actually named Ya'akov (Jacob) which is consistently translated as Jacob in the Bible, except in the New Testament where it's translated as James.
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No you're wrong, it's all true, every single letter of it, just ask any of millions of Americans, they will tell you the TRUTH, you're obviously some sort of shill for satan with this heretical nonsense! ;)
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Yeah... he makes good eggs! ;P Medication for us all You think you know me, well you're wrong
What exactly are egg benedict? (Forgive my ignorance, I've heard the name, I just have no idea what they are)
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What exactly are egg benedict? (Forgive my ignorance, I've heard the name, I just have no idea what they are)
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It's like a posh version of eggs and toast. You have toast topped with meat topped with poached eggs topped with hollandaise sauce (a sort of spicy, runny custard). It's good, though rich - i can polish off 3-4 eggs, and as many slices of toast and rashers of bacon in a meal without trouble, but a couple servings of eggs benedict and i'm ready for a nap. Here's a recipe (picked at random, i don't make these), if you're interested: http://holiday.allrecipes.com/az/EggsBenedict.asp[^] Medication for us all You think you know me, well you're wrong
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I think the name is an indication of how they intend to rule/reign/lead . Benedict the XV was a moderate I believe, and so choosing that name indicates this Pope will be more moderate. This is an important symbol, especially given how John Paul was viewed at times as being too traditional. I'm not sure why they choose names, but I imagine it symbolizes moving into a new role and distinguishes a Pope further from the Cardinals. Marc Clifton wrote: So we get to go through all this media rigamarole again in a few years, eh? :-D Beats the hell out of the Capitol Hill bitchfest. BW
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-- Stewie GriffinThe name picking began when one cardinal who was elected had the real name (Justinian or something like that) of the then-reigning Roman emperor. So he wanted t pick a christian name to distinguish himself from the pagan emperor. And the practice became custom for subsequent popes. jah
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FYI, "Judas" was not the name of the guy who betrayed Jesus. New Testament translators changed his name from the Hebrew "Yehuda" (Judah) to Judas so as to avoid confusion with Jude (recipient of one of Paul's letters, after which the NT book of Jude is named after), who was also named Judah. Of course, Judas wasn't the only recipient of a name change by translators. James, brother of Jesus and believed writer of the book of James, was actually named Ya'akov (Jacob) which is consistently translated as Jacob in the Bible, except in the New Testament where it's translated as James.
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: He has a funny face. And he's my son. Judah Himango
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No you're wrong, it's all true, every single letter of it, just ask any of millions of Americans, they will tell you the TRUTH, you're obviously some sort of shill for satan with this heretical nonsense! ;)
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You've got us there John, we religious people are usually way too ..eh...volatile on that issue. :doh:
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The name picking began when one cardinal who was elected had the real name (Justinian or something like that) of the then-reigning Roman emperor. So he wanted t pick a christian name to distinguish himself from the pagan emperor. And the practice became custom for subsequent popes. jah
The custom of taking a new name began in 533, when a priest named Mercury was elected pope and felt the name of a pagan god was inappropriate for the successor of St. Peter.
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Marc Clifton wrote: What's the reason for selecting a new name when you're elected Pope? And how come none of them ever choose the name "Judas"? :confused: :-D The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance.
There's a "priest" named Judas. I hear he's screaming for vengance because of a painkiller :-)
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FYI, "Judas" was not the name of the guy who betrayed Jesus. New Testament translators changed his name from the Hebrew "Yehuda" (Judah) to Judas so as to avoid confusion with Jude (recipient of one of Paul's letters, after which the NT book of Jude is named after), who was also named Judah. Of course, Judas wasn't the only recipient of a name change by translators. James, brother of Jesus and believed writer of the book of James, was actually named Ya'akov (Jacob) which is consistently translated as Jacob in the Bible, except in the New Testament where it's translated as James.
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: He has a funny face. And he's my son. Judah Himango
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Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger What's the reason for selecting a new name when you're elected Pope? He turned 78 on Saturday. Sigh. So we get to go through all this media rigamarole again in a few years, eh? Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
Probably because the Catholic church believes it was built on "the rock", Peter, which it says is its first Pope. The Apostle Peter's first name was Simon, but Jesus changed it to Peter which means stone or rock. I think they are emulating the Peter name change.
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Probably because the Catholic church believes it was built on "the rock", Peter, which it says is its first Pope. The Apostle Peter's first name was Simon, but Jesus changed it to Peter which means stone or rock. I think they are emulating the Peter name change.
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blogUnfortunately for the Catholic Church, there's little evidence that Peter ever went to Rome, let alone founded a church there. The Catholic Church was actually founded by Constantine, an emperor of Rome. A former sun-worshipper and follower of Mythraism, Constantine claimed to have seen a vision of the cross while on the battlefield. After winning the battle, he made his version of Christianity the official state religion of Rome, thereby becoming the first Holy Roman Emperor and the true first 'Pope'. Of course, whether Constantine was even a Christian is debateable; historians see his conversion and championing of Christianity as a ploy to unite the various pagan states under his empire. Additionally, he merged his former pagan ways into Christianity, adopting the fertility festival of Ishtar (a Babylonian goddess adopted by many cultures) as a new Christian festival called Easter, he adopted the pagan 'weeping for Tammuz' (mentioned in Ezekiel) and called it Lent, he even adopted rites from his sun worshipping ways by borrowing things like the sun-above-the-head, marking one as holy (which we still see in Christianity today with the paintings of halos around the heads of saints, apostles, or Christ himself), just to name a few. Constantine forcibly converted anyone who didn't agree with the state religion (killing hundreds to thousands of Jews, Muslims, and even non-"Catholic" Christians in the process). Furthermore, Constantine murdered members of his family in fear of them plotting against him. With all that, it's no wonder the Catholic Church would rather pretend to have Simon Peter has its founder instead of Constantine.
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Unfortunately for the Catholic Church, there's little evidence that Peter ever went to Rome, let alone founded a church there. The Catholic Church was actually founded by Constantine, an emperor of Rome. A former sun-worshipper and follower of Mythraism, Constantine claimed to have seen a vision of the cross while on the battlefield. After winning the battle, he made his version of Christianity the official state religion of Rome, thereby becoming the first Holy Roman Emperor and the true first 'Pope'. Of course, whether Constantine was even a Christian is debateable; historians see his conversion and championing of Christianity as a ploy to unite the various pagan states under his empire. Additionally, he merged his former pagan ways into Christianity, adopting the fertility festival of Ishtar (a Babylonian goddess adopted by many cultures) as a new Christian festival called Easter, he adopted the pagan 'weeping for Tammuz' (mentioned in Ezekiel) and called it Lent, he even adopted rites from his sun worshipping ways by borrowing things like the sun-above-the-head, marking one as holy (which we still see in Christianity today with the paintings of halos around the heads of saints, apostles, or Christ himself), just to name a few. Constantine forcibly converted anyone who didn't agree with the state religion (killing hundreds to thousands of Jews, Muslims, and even non-"Catholic" Christians in the process). Furthermore, Constantine murdered members of his family in fear of them plotting against him. With all that, it's no wonder the Catholic Church would rather pretend to have Simon Peter has its founder instead of Constantine.
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Do you know where I could find more information on history's account of Peter and his death, etc? Thanks, very interesting info.
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We interrupt the lounge for this annoucement. Pope Bendict XVI elected. http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/04/fe1ea8e8-f3ba-423f-a9e2-e8df113e4a15.html[^] We return you now to your regularly scheduled shenanigans. BW
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