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  • D Daniel Turini

    Roger Wright wrote: Just because I'm paranoid doesn't necessarily mean that they're not out to get me... Charles Bronson... Crivo Automated Credit Assessment

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    Roger Wright
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    Is that where it came from? I read it on a poster in the '70s - loved it!:-D

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      Bill Leibold wrote: The Texas school systems understand this and offer somewhat remedies for this. This political correctness in this country is making me dammed angry thanks to those fuc*ing liberals! I hope someone else is teaching your children English. ;) ;)

      Mike Mullikin - Sonork 100.10096 "Programming is like sex. One mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life." - Michael Sinz

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      Bill Leibold
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      Depends what sort of English you are talking about?

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      • N Naresh Karamchetty

        One of the reasons I would prefer a private school to home schooling is that private schools, I think, offer better career tracks, especially when it comes to knowing the right people. For example, both Presidents Bush attended Andover Academy. I'm sure some of the people they met by virtue of going there helped them in their political careers. Actually, I think all schools should be privatized and run as corporations. An imaginative CEO should be able to think of ways to cuts costs while at the same time improving the quality of education. Most parents should be able to afford such schools, particularly because they won't be paying property taxes anymore. You know, I really should post a web site listing my entire political agenda. "What would this country be without this great land of our?" -Ronald Reagan

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        Actually, I think all schools should be privatized and run as corporations. That's a popular but dangerous view. Public schools have to to a lot of things that corporations don't. For example, a corporation is free to lower the quality of its product, if a lower price point will make it more competitive in the market... Hmm... I guess public schools already do run like a corporation... ;-) Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws

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          Actually, I think all schools should be privatized and run as corporations. That's a popular but dangerous view. Public schools have to to a lot of things that corporations don't. For example, a corporation is free to lower the quality of its product, if a lower price point will make it more competitive in the market... Hmm... I guess public schools already do run like a corporation... ;-) Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws

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          Tim Smith
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          Heh, I was wondering if you realized what you were saying. :) Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.

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            Actually, I think all schools should be privatized and run as corporations. That's a popular but dangerous view. Public schools have to to a lot of things that corporations don't. For example, a corporation is free to lower the quality of its product, if a lower price point will make it more competitive in the market... Hmm... I guess public schools already do run like a corporation... ;-) Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws

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            Naresh Karamchetty
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            That's one of the reasons why schools would still have to be regulated. Besides, the quality of the product is what will attract the customers. If the public school administrators ran the computer industry, that IBM guy who said he saw no need for more than 5 computers would be right. "What would this country be without this great land of our?" -Ronald Reagan

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              I heard on the radio today that New Jersey schools are taking steps to trivialize, dilute, and even twist (with a definite anti-American bent) U.S. history. For instance, they have reduced the five years of WW2 to three incidents - the holocaust, the internment of the Japanese in the U.S., and the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. They will not be teaching the events that led up to U.S. involvment in the war (and yes, that includes the vicious sneak attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbor), nor the involvment of American volunteers helping in the defense of Great Britain during the Blitzkrieg, nor even our attempts to stay out of the war. Further, they are removing pictures of our founding fathers from state and local government buildings, and won't be teaching the kids about the pilgrims because of the religious bearing of the subject. I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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              Stephen Caldwell
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              Personally, being a high school student, I think that the country's education system would be vastly improved if it wasn't a law to go to school. It should be a decision left up to the students. Students who are motivated enough to voluntarily go to school will prosper while those who don't end up working at McDonald's and Burger King and filling our manual labor positions. There would be more funding available to the schools because the amount spent on students now could be better utilized to a smaller amount of students. They states would be able to afford better more qualified teachers. I would have to say now that many of my teacher wouldn't pass the MCAS which is the standardized test in Massachusetts. When I took the MCAS 2 years ago, the scores were sooooooooo awful that the department of education was forced to rewrite the test to make it dumber. I find that pathetic. It should not be necessary that the test be brought to the student's level, but the students education should be brouht the test's level. Stephen Caldwell Blackfission, CEO http://blackfission.myip.org:81

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              • R Roger Wright

                Is that where it came from? I read it on a poster in the '70s - loved it!:-D

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                Daniel Turini
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                I love it too! I am not sure in which movie, but I think it was in "Death Wish" (great movie). He calls 911 and the police say "You are paranoid, go to bed and sleep". Then he argues that. :cool: Crivo Automated Credit Assessment

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                  Simon Walton wrote: What irritates me also is people who simply don't understand the different between "Britain" and "England". I've lost count of the number of times i've told people where i'm from (which is Wales), yet they continue to refer to my country as England. A few years ago I had to clean-up my company's client database and found the following countries listed: England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Britain, Great Britain, and United Kingdom I asked our sales reps, "Why so many variations?" Their response, "That's the way their company letterhead's read." I started digging out historical correspondence and sure enough, some companies in the same cities had completely different "countries" printed on their company letterhead. One company in particular had sent us letters from their manufacturing office and their headquarters located on opposite sides of the same city. One said England and the other said United Kingdom. :confused: I figure if the brits can't figure out where the hell they live, why should we try? ;P

                  Mike Mullikin - Sonork 100.10096 "Programming is like sex. One mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life." - Michael Sinz

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                  Mike Mullikin wrote: A few years ago I had to clean-up my company's client database and found the following countries listed: England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Britain, Great Britain, and United Kingdom You can easily rationalise Britain, Great Britain and United Kingdom. Although they do mean something slightly different, it would be acceptable to change all the "Britain" variants to "United Kingdom", which is more correct when used in an address. England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are all seperate countries within the United Kingdom so they cannot be rationalised in the same way. However, since in international legal terms the UK is the country we all live in, you could explicitly express this relationship in the address by accepting the country in the letterhead as part of the address, but automatically adding "United Kingdom" after it as the "country" in your database, for example: Gavin Greig, Street Address, Town, Local Authority/County, Scotland, United Kingdom This extends the courtesy of including my choice of country while helping to keep your database consistent. Comparing with the US, I think England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland would each be the equivalent of a State. I think (though I'm not sure) that in terms of storing addresses, our local authorities/regions/counties could be regarded as equivalent to "counties" in the US, although I think counties are more significant to us politically and postally than they are in the states. The real problem, of course, is that we have two levels of political division, both of which are commonly referred to as a "country". :omg: Gavin Greig

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                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                    I heard on the radio today that New Jersey schools are taking steps to trivialize, dilute, and even twist (with a definite anti-American bent) U.S. history. For instance, they have reduced the five years of WW2 to three incidents - the holocaust, the internment of the Japanese in the U.S., and the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. They will not be teaching the events that led up to U.S. involvment in the war (and yes, that includes the vicious sneak attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbor), nor the involvment of American volunteers helping in the defense of Great Britain during the Blitzkrieg, nor even our attempts to stay out of the war. Further, they are removing pictures of our founding fathers from state and local government buildings, and won't be teaching the kids about the pilgrims because of the religious bearing of the subject. I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                    Jim A Johnson
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                    Do you believe everything you hear on the radio? How about everyting you read on the Internet? This sounds to me like a conservative hack-job on reality. You weren't by chance listening to Rush, were you?

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                      Do you believe everything you hear on the radio? How about everyting you read on the Internet? This sounds to me like a conservative hack-job on reality. You weren't by chance listening to Rush, were you?

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                      > Do you believe everything you hear on the radio? No, but when you can verify information through other sources, it becomes a little more believable. > How about everyting you read on the Internet? Sure, don't you? > This sounds to me like a conservative hack-job > on reality. You weren't by chance listening to > Rush, were you? You must be one of those bleeding-heart liberals that thinks the goverment should support everyone thast doesn't want to work for a living, or that standardized tests should be brought down to the educational level of the people that are taking them. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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