programming language change
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Gabriel Gibaut wrote: Does anyone knows of a site with statistics about programming languages in terms of number of developers, number of projects that use it, etc. Why? Is this a popularity contest? If you want to know how is the job market, just enter any job offer site and take a look at the offers. Gabriel Gibaut wrote: Borland Oh, Borland is so 90's. I remember, now, that cool company that made all those cool tools in the good old DOS days. Turbo Pascal 5.5, Turbo C 2.0, Turbo C++, and so on. They even got Turbo Prolog! What happened to all those programmers? :) I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: Oh, Borland is so 90's. More like the 80's ;) Remember when they bragged that their products would never cost more than $99. Those were the days :sigh:
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Gabriel Gibaut wrote: Does anyone knows of a site with statistics about programming languages in terms of number of developers, number of projects that use it, etc. Why? Is this a popularity contest? If you want to know how is the job market, just enter any job offer site and take a look at the offers. Gabriel Gibaut wrote: Borland Oh, Borland is so 90's. I remember, now, that cool company that made all those cool tools in the good old DOS days. Turbo Pascal 5.5, Turbo C 2.0, Turbo C++, and so on. They even got Turbo Prolog! What happened to all those programmers? :) I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: What happened to all those programmers? We got old.:doh: But I still have Turbo Prolog and Turbo Pascal 5.5 - anyone got a 5-1/4" floppy drive? Paradox, Quattro Pro, lotsa goodies here. I'm thinking of chucking them all out next week, so I'll be planning a wake for them sometime soon. Better yet, I have the Manuals - does anyone else remember manuals? You know, printed thingies that came with the product and explained how to work it... Before Microsoft killed the concept by stuffing everything into Help that isn't helpful and online Knowledge Bases that are devoid of relevant knowledge. "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
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Hello, Does anyone knows of a site with statistics about programming languages in terms of number of developers, number of projects that use it, etc. At work i´m currently using Delphi which i use to think it sucked but i found i can do whatever i want with it. But even if i like it, it seems to be a dead end because Borland seems to be pushing C# more than Delphi, and i don´t want to invest a lot of time on a tool that is going to dissapear. Any links, ideas, advice, would be appreciated. Gabriel Old C programmers never die. They just cast into void
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Hello, Does anyone knows of a site with statistics about programming languages in terms of number of developers, number of projects that use it, etc. At work i´m currently using Delphi which i use to think it sucked but i found i can do whatever i want with it. But even if i like it, it seems to be a dead end because Borland seems to be pushing C# more than Delphi, and i don´t want to invest a lot of time on a tool that is going to dissapear. Any links, ideas, advice, would be appreciated. Gabriel Old C programmers never die. They just cast into void
I'd say that C#.Net and C++/MFC/Win32 are the main ways of programming Windows right now. They are probably the best languages to get into because of the abundance of samples, and other experianced developers. Joel Holdsworth Wanna give me a job this summer? Check out my online CV and project history[^] - now available in MSWord format![^]
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Gabriel Gibaut wrote: Does anyone knows of a site with statistics about programming languages in terms of number of developers, number of projects that use it, etc. Why? Is this a popularity contest? If you want to know how is the job market, just enter any job offer site and take a look at the offers. Gabriel Gibaut wrote: Borland Oh, Borland is so 90's. I remember, now, that cool company that made all those cool tools in the good old DOS days. Turbo Pascal 5.5, Turbo C 2.0, Turbo C++, and so on. They even got Turbo Prolog! What happened to all those programmers? :) I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
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Daniel Turini wrote: What happened to all those programmers? We got old.:doh: But I still have Turbo Prolog and Turbo Pascal 5.5 - anyone got a 5-1/4" floppy drive? Paradox, Quattro Pro, lotsa goodies here. I'm thinking of chucking them all out next week, so I'll be planning a wake for them sometime soon. Better yet, I have the Manuals - does anyone else remember manuals? You know, printed thingies that came with the product and explained how to work it... Before Microsoft killed the concept by stuffing everything into Help that isn't helpful and online Knowledge Bases that are devoid of relevant knowledge. "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
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Gabriel Gibaut wrote: Does anyone knows of a site with statistics about programming languages in terms of number of developers, number of projects that use it, etc. Why? Is this a popularity contest? If you want to know how is the job market, just enter any job offer site and take a look at the offers. Gabriel Gibaut wrote: Borland Oh, Borland is so 90's. I remember, now, that cool company that made all those cool tools in the good old DOS days. Turbo Pascal 5.5, Turbo C 2.0, Turbo C++, and so on. They even got Turbo Prolog! What happened to all those programmers? :) I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
Turbo Basic was pretty cool too :-)
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Hello, Does anyone knows of a site with statistics about programming languages in terms of number of developers, number of projects that use it, etc. At work i´m currently using Delphi which i use to think it sucked but i found i can do whatever i want with it. But even if i like it, it seems to be a dead end because Borland seems to be pushing C# more than Delphi, and i don´t want to invest a lot of time on a tool that is going to dissapear. Any links, ideas, advice, would be appreciated. Gabriel Old C programmers never die. They just cast into void
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Hello, Does anyone knows of a site with statistics about programming languages in terms of number of developers, number of projects that use it, etc. At work i´m currently using Delphi which i use to think it sucked but i found i can do whatever i want with it. But even if i like it, it seems to be a dead end because Borland seems to be pushing C# more than Delphi, and i don´t want to invest a lot of time on a tool that is going to dissapear. Any links, ideas, advice, would be appreciated. Gabriel Old C programmers never die. They just cast into void
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Daniel Turini wrote: What happened to all those programmers? We got old.:doh: But I still have Turbo Prolog and Turbo Pascal 5.5 - anyone got a 5-1/4" floppy drive? Paradox, Quattro Pro, lotsa goodies here. I'm thinking of chucking them all out next week, so I'll be planning a wake for them sometime soon. Better yet, I have the Manuals - does anyone else remember manuals? You know, printed thingies that came with the product and explained how to work it... Before Microsoft killed the concept by stuffing everything into Help that isn't helpful and online Knowledge Bases that are devoid of relevant knowledge. "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
Roger Wright wrote: But I still have Turbo Prolog and Turbo Pascal 5.5 - anyone got a 5-1/4" floppy drive? I have a 5-1/4 floppy! Bought it before 2-3 month and move all my old floppies to my HD. Now it's about time to get rid of it. :doh:
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Daniel Turini wrote: What happened to all those programmers? We got old.:doh: But I still have Turbo Prolog and Turbo Pascal 5.5 - anyone got a 5-1/4" floppy drive? Paradox, Quattro Pro, lotsa goodies here. I'm thinking of chucking them all out next week, so I'll be planning a wake for them sometime soon. Better yet, I have the Manuals - does anyone else remember manuals? You know, printed thingies that came with the product and explained how to work it... Before Microsoft killed the concept by stuffing everything into Help that isn't helpful and online Knowledge Bases that are devoid of relevant knowledge. "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
Roger Wright wrote: anyone got a 5-1/4" floppy drive? Not anymore, but I had to install an old laptop for my sister not so long ago and I had to create a boot disk. The noise :omg:. Luckily the floppies aren't standard anymore. That was real junk if you come to think of it. During my studies we had to work with them (homework and stuff) and they were always broken (or the floppy or the drive or both :doh:). the time I needed the backup of my floppies, my disk was already broken or corrupted :((. My dad had one with 5"25. When you started the cpu you had to insert a boot floppy and close the lock. It was like you had to take of with an airplane or something :laugh:. No hurries, no worries.
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Roger Wright wrote: anyone got a 5-1/4" floppy drive? 3 of them :-O Did you want to send the discs so they can be copied onto CD or DVD for future use?
Thanks, but no - I think I'm done with them. Pascal was a great language - far better than any modern one for the work I did then - but if I need it I can always switch to Delphi. ProLog was just plain weird. Fun, but weird. "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
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Roger Wright wrote: But I still have Turbo Prolog and Turbo Pascal 5.5 - anyone got a 5-1/4" floppy drive? I have a 5-1/4 floppy! Bought it before 2-3 month and move all my old floppies to my HD. Now it's about time to get rid of it. :doh:
I wonder if either language package will run on a modern Windows system - the last time I tried them was on a Win95 system. They worked fine there, but since then Windows has changed, and the pressure to maintain DOS compatibility is gone. I suspect that, at the least, the Borland GDI will fail, as it directly accessed video hardware (IIRC) to draw to the screen. "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
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Roger Wright wrote: anyone got a 5-1/4" floppy drive? Not anymore, but I had to install an old laptop for my sister not so long ago and I had to create a boot disk. The noise :omg:. Luckily the floppies aren't standard anymore. That was real junk if you come to think of it. During my studies we had to work with them (homework and stuff) and they were always broken (or the floppy or the drive or both :doh:). the time I needed the backup of my floppies, my disk was already broken or corrupted :((. My dad had one with 5"25. When you started the cpu you had to insert a boot floppy and close the lock. It was like you had to take of with an airplane or something :laugh:. No hurries, no worries.
V. wrote: That was real junk if you come to think of it :laugh::laugh::laugh: Floppies were a miracle of modern technology in their day! The first ones were 8", not 5-1/4", and had a capacity of about 360K IIRC. Before that we had to depend on audio cassette tapes, punched cards, and paper tape punched and read by Teletype machines. "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
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V. wrote: That was real junk if you come to think of it :laugh::laugh::laugh: Floppies were a miracle of modern technology in their day! The first ones were 8", not 5-1/4", and had a capacity of about 360K IIRC. Before that we had to depend on audio cassette tapes, punched cards, and paper tape punched and read by Teletype machines. "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
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Thanks, but no - I think I'm done with them. Pascal was a great language - far better than any modern one for the work I did then - but if I need it I can always switch to Delphi. ProLog was just plain weird. Fun, but weird. "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
Roger Wright wrote: ProLog was just plain weird. Fun, but weird. (((at)least(it was)(way better)than((the)(only(alternative))(at that(time))(LISP)) I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
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I wonder if either language package will run on a modern Windows system - the last time I tried them was on a Win95 system. They worked fine there, but since then Windows has changed, and the pressure to maintain DOS compatibility is gone. I suspect that, at the least, the Borland GDI will fail, as it directly accessed video hardware (IIRC) to draw to the screen. "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
Recently, just for fun, I tried a few old packages in both Windows 2000 and Windows XP, and I can say that: 1. Windows 2000 don't like them. 2. I was quite surprised about how compatible Windows XP is! Ran most of the packages. Even SideKick ran! But you can always install Win3.1 or DOS 6.0 on a Virtual Machine. I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
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yep I know, in 10 or 20 years, we will wonder why we made junk like CD's, USB sticks etc ;-) No hurries, no worries.
V. wrote: why we made junk like CD's Ever since I bought a DVD-burner I think this way... :) I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
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Daniel Turini wrote: What happened to all those programmers? We got old.:doh: But I still have Turbo Prolog and Turbo Pascal 5.5 - anyone got a 5-1/4" floppy drive? Paradox, Quattro Pro, lotsa goodies here. I'm thinking of chucking them all out next week, so I'll be planning a wake for them sometime soon. Better yet, I have the Manuals - does anyone else remember manuals? You know, printed thingies that came with the product and explained how to work it... Before Microsoft killed the concept by stuffing everything into Help that isn't helpful and online Knowledge Bases that are devoid of relevant knowledge. "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
Roger Wright wrote: We got old. Just middle aged Roger. We have lots of time left! Roger Wright wrote: anyone got a 5-1/4" floppy drive? Does it have to work? Sitting in the back of the desk drawer for ? years does what. Sold all of the disks at a garage sale for 5 cents each some time back. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that I can think of.
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Roger Wright wrote: ProLog was just plain weird. Fun, but weird. (((at)least(it was)(way better)than((the)(only(alternative))(at that(time))(LISP)) I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
:laugh::laugh::laugh: I never tried LISP - I think I looked for an affordable version but never found one. ProLog's predicate logic basis was just too different from my thinking to ever grasp completely. If I'd had a little kid around to start teaching the language, the kid might one day master it, but my thought patterns were already too canalized to change.:sigh: "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley