Burning the flag
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.Didn't you know that the flag is HOLY? This is politics at its worst. Nobody wants to watch a flag burn. Its disrespectful and down right disgusting really, but its just a flag. Its being used to solidify the base even though it probably going to be found unconstitutional.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning -- US Flag Code. TITLE 4. CHAPTER 1. Sec. 8(k)
http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode04/usc_sec_04_00000008----000-.html[^] some other good parts:
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. (g)The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (i)The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard.
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Didn't you know that the flag is HOLY? This is politics at its worst. Nobody wants to watch a flag burn. Its disrespectful and down right disgusting really, but its just a flag. Its being used to solidify the base even though it probably going to be found unconstitutional.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
blogSurely banning flag burning will put thousands of flag makers out of work - who's thinking of them ;P Sorry, it just seems too silly to care about, it's just a flag. My curiosity begs the question though, is this really a contentious issue in the US? Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
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Surely banning flag burning will put thousands of flag makers out of work - who's thinking of them ;P Sorry, it just seems too silly to care about, it's just a flag. My curiosity begs the question though, is this really a contentious issue in the US? Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
Rhys666 wrote: is this really a contentious issue in the US? as Jason notes, it's just a way for the Republican leadership to stir up the emotions of their hard-core followers. they bring it up every year or so, whenever they need a boost. for example, this corrupt clown:
"Ask the men and women who stood on top of the [World] Trade Center," said Rep. Randy [Duke] Cunningham, R-California. "Ask them and they will tell you: pass this amendment."
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Surely banning flag burning will put thousands of flag makers out of work - who's thinking of them ;P Sorry, it just seems too silly to care about, it's just a flag. My curiosity begs the question though, is this really a contentious issue in the US? Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
Rhys666 wrote: My curiosity begs the question though, is this really a contentious issue in the US? I haven't heard anyone talking about it recently, though it was a minor topic some years back. My concern really is the time officials waste on this type of crap. BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it. -
`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it. -
:laugh: BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it. -
`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.From my understanding, this bill always makes it through the House, but dies in the Senate. I certainly hope that is the case this year as well. I'd much rather some idiot protestor burn and/or pee on some cloth than have our government defacate on what it's supposed to stand for...
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From my understanding, this bill always makes it through the House, but dies in the Senate. I certainly hope that is the case this year as well. I'd much rather some idiot protestor burn and/or pee on some cloth than have our government defacate on what it's supposed to stand for...
Russell Morris wrote: this bill always makes it through the House, but dies in the Senate. Yes, you're right. I just read that. Hope the same happens again this time. BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
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The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning -- US Flag Code. TITLE 4. CHAPTER 1. Sec. 8(k)
http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode04/usc_sec_04_00000008----000-.html[^] some other good parts:
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. (g)The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (i)The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard.
Chris Losinger wrote: The flag should never be used as wearing apparel You mean like in those pictures of Uncle Sam ? The tigress is here :-D
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it. -
Chris Losinger wrote: The flag should never be used as wearing apparel You mean like in those pictures of Uncle Sam ? The tigress is here :-D
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When I was young I had some of these items (I won't say which ones). I don't remember having anything with my national flag on it :suss:
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it's limiting democracy one step at the time... (I'll probably get flamed for this ;-)) No hurries, no worries.
(no flaming here) I totally agree! What's next, making abortion illegal (now I'LL probably get flamed for this one he he). Brian Van Beek My Blog is Awesome, ok maybe not, but is still fun!!
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.Actually, it is more general in scope than just burning, and does not itself prohibit anything. Intsead it would give congress the power to do so if approved. IMO the very idea of Congress proposing Constitutional ammendments to give itself additional powers - of any kind - is offensive. It is unlikely to get by the Senate, and even less likely to be ratified by 3/4 of the state legislatures. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.brianwelsch wrote: I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Although I despise people who would do this, I believe in something more important, The First Amendment. The right to freedom of expression applies to everyone, even those whose opinions differ. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
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brianwelsch wrote: I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Although I despise people who would do this, I believe in something more important, The First Amendment. The right to freedom of expression applies to everyone, even those whose opinions differ. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
Very very true... Brian Van Beek My Blog is Awesome, ok maybe not, but is still fun!!
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.brianwelsch wrote: Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? Yeah, in India desecration of the flag is a criminal offence. "One of the Georges," said Psmith, "I forget which, once said that a certain number of hours' sleep a day--I cannot recall for the moment how many--made a man something, which for the time being has slipped my memory."
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brianwelsch wrote: Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? Yeah, in India desecration of the flag is a criminal offence. "One of the Georges," said Psmith, "I forget which, once said that a certain number of hours' sleep a day--I cannot recall for the moment how many--made a man something, which for the time being has slipped my memory."
In Brazil too. But as any other criminal offence in Brazil, no one cares.:) Rui A. Rebelo Caminante no hay camino. El camino se hace nel caminar. Frederico Garcia-Lorca
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.There shouldn't be an amendment to ban flag burning. But than, the supreme court should never have outlawed a state (or community's) right to ban any such form of expression they deem appropriate. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."